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yeah, that can be right, if you believe in the existance of divinity and if you believe in the powers of the human mind to make choices. But not everything in our lives can be object of our power to make choices, and for something not to be an object or result of a choice doesn´t make it exactly to be something predestinated.

Hey i believe in choice, I was voicing the philosophy of the ancient greeks as a unique viewpoint.

well, good, i was just making a statement about that (the greek viewpoint). It´s good to believe in something and still know about the other options.

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I think that each one of us has a destiny, yes. But we can change it.

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I have extremely complex musings and theories on the matter, so I voted other.

Explain yourself 😃 .

Hmmm.

To be concise, I believe in free will, but I don't believe in coincidences

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I think we have free choice and can choose what to do with our lives.

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I think that each one of us has a destiny, yes. But we can change it.

Doesn't that mean that we just have Choice in the first place, or do you mean if we don't go out to change our Destiny it will stay the same?

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Doesn't that mean that we just have Choice in the first place, or do you mean if we don't go out to change our Destiny it will stay the same?

Well, I basically meant the other thing. That unless we don't go out to change our destiny, it will stay the same. But, if we take some action, it would mean that we are destined to change our destiny. So it would mean that there are no chances - even if we think we are taking them.

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Doesn't that mean that we just have Choice in the first place, or do you mean if we don't go out to change our Destiny it will stay the same?

Well, I basically meant the other thing. That unless we don't go out to change our destiny, it will stay the same. But, if we take some action, it would mean that we are destined to change our destiny. So it would mean that there are no chances - even if we think we are taking them.

So, our destiny is to do absolutely nothing, unless we do something? What a lame theory.

Anyway, I think that everything is preordained. Doesn't make much of a difference really. Besides, the most common argument against destiny is that, "I like to think I'm in control of my life" which is a statement that just screams ego. I don't see why people think that destiny robs them of choice anyway. Assuming destiny is real, would you be any less likely to choose where you want to go to school? Who you want to be friends with? What you want to eat? Are you saying that where you end up isn't a result of your thoughts and the choices you've made along the way? Just because destiny exists, doesn't mean your choices don't have consequences. The reason I believe in destiny is that it allows me to believe that eventually, something really interesting is going to happen. That's more interesting than a loose ended world which just leads to more of the same.

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So, our destiny is to do absolutely nothing, unless we do something? What a lame theory.

I've never said that. Please, don't put words into my mouth. Seeing that we can't know what is our destiny (unless you do believe in oracles and fortune-tellers and all that), how can you say that you were destined to do something? Maybe you did it because you took a chance sometime before it happened? What I meant is exactly what you said. Destiny gives us choice, it's up to us whether we take the chance or not. So if we have the choice to choose our destiny, how is that not destined? It means that we are destined to make a choice.

And what's bad in being destined to do absolutely nothing? Destiny doesn't always have to mean something interesting or grand.

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So, our destiny is to do absolutely nothing, unless we do something? What a lame theory.

I've never said that. Please, don't put words into my mouth. Seeing that we can't know what is our destiny (unless you do believe in oracles and fortune-tellers and all that), how can you say that you were destined to do something? Maybe you did it because you took a chance sometime before it happened? What I meant is exactly what you said. Destiny gives us choice, it's up to us whether we take the chance or not. So if we have the choice to choose our destiny, how is that not destined? It means that we are destined to make a choice.

And what's bad in being destined to do absolutely nothing? Destiny doesn't always have to mean something interesting or grand.

Exactly, not everybody is "destined" to be some savior(sp?) of something or other, some people may be "destined" to be nothing more than everyday workers....
but the point i wanna make is, it doesn't really matter what runs us, be it personal choices or "fate/destiny"(which as such, could be put as personal choices), what matters is that you do what you think is best, and to hell with what people think is your "destiny" and what people tell ya.

In short, just go with the flow of things, make your own choices, and live how you want to live, eh?
i guess thats all of our "destiny's"

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It's a combination of Destiny and choice, If you walk down the road and slip on a used condom thrown from the above flats, it's your choice, because you didn't avoid stepping and ultimately slipping on the condom (real-life story here 😛 )
But if a SUV comes and makes you flat on the road, it's destiny, You didn't control the feet that made the SUV "accidentally" press the acceleration instead of the breaks.

There you have it. I wanted to be a phylosopher when I was 6 but I quit ;_;

In a nutshell Destiny is everything that happens to you without your intervention. And Choice is everything YOU do. Including opening up the fridge and dying because frozen meat fell onto your head and crashed your skull.

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It's a combination of Destiny and choice, If you walk down the road and slip on a used condom thrown from the above flats, it's your choice, because you didn't avoid stepping and ultimately slipping on the condom (real-life story here 😛 )
But if a SUV comes and makes you flat on the road, it's destiny, You didn't control the feet that made the SUV "accidentally" press the acceleration instead of the breaks.

There you have it. I wanted to be a phylosopher when I was 6 but I quit ;_;

In a nutshell Destiny is everything that happens to you without your intervention. And Choice is everything YOU do. Including opening up the fridge and dying because frozen meat fell onto your head and crashed your skull.

But wasnt it the choice of the driver to press the acceleration, so could we say that DESTINY is the effect someones CHOICE has on us

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It's a combination of Destiny and choice, If you walk down the road and slip on a used condom thrown from the above flats, it's your choice, because you didn't avoid stepping and ultimately slipping on the condom (real-life story here 😛 )
But if a SUV comes and makes you flat on the road, it's destiny, You didn't control the feet that made the SUV "accidentally" press the acceleration instead of the breaks.

There you have it. I wanted to be a phylosopher when I was 6 but I quit ;_;

In a nutshell Destiny is everything that happens to you without your intervention. And Choice is everything YOU do. Including opening up the fridge and dying because frozen meat fell onto your head and crashed your skull.

But wasnt it the choice of the driver to press the acceleration, so could we say that DESTINY is the effect someones CHOICE has on us

Yes, his choice and your d00m...errr...destiny 🙂
There you go. Platon&co would be really jealous of us 😛

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It's a combination of Destiny and choice, If you walk down the road and slip on a used condom thrown from the above flats, it's your choice, because you didn't avoid stepping and ultimately slipping on the condom (real-life story here 😛 )
But if a SUV comes and makes you flat on the road, it's destiny, You didn't control the feet that made the SUV "accidentally" press the acceleration instead of the breaks.

There you have it. I wanted to be a phylosopher when I was 6 but I quit ;_;

In a nutshell Destiny is everything that happens to you without your intervention. And Choice is everything YOU do. Including opening up the fridge and dying because frozen meat fell onto your head and crashed your skull.

But wasnt it the choice of the driver to press the acceleration, so could we say that DESTINY is the effect someones CHOICE has on us

Yes, his choice and your d00m...errr...destiny 🙂
There you go. Platon&co would be really jealous of us 😛

And they should, they are n00bs compared to us!!

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I choose both because there something we are destined to do like live and die.No one in the world will never die..You cannot denied that..There are also something that we could choose like how we live, our success in life, our job and others..

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I was thinking about Destiny in the sense of directionality of one´s life, i mean if one individual life is predestinated that is everything we did and will do is already set and we cannot change that. In example, Oedipus knew through the oracle that he was suppossed to kill his father and marry her mother, and he tried to avoid his destiny but instead he did make that come true. That is destiny, your choices whatever they are don´t affect the outcome, even if you can go back in time, whatever you do, the result is the same.
It´s as Xombiec0rp said time travel is the only way to make sure destiny exist.
About the example of the car hitting you it´s more like it´s causality, that is multiple causes that provoques certain result. Or maybe accident (the causes are unknown or just doesn´t exist)

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