1.) Not a dictatorship.
2.) If they're happy and living a better life...whose right is it of other people to complain about it and make their lives bad again? Their economy is finally getting better.
3.) Google < net.

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I am not being prejiduce here, read my post, google is opting out now because of censorship.
So quick to jump the gun and atack me for asking, why? 🤣

people > democracy means you have the right to voice, i only made that sugestion under the preconsumption that no one questions the net censorship of lots of things news related.

Lets not forget what the word opt means ok people? Means ask to leave.

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And boxbox, stop calling me a freedom fighter damnit! 🤣 I only question things were people decide to ingnore or bite.

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You're not being prejudice, you're just being dumb. Google is moving out of China because they are struggling against Baidu, not because of censorship. They were not force out at all. China asked Google to comply with the law of their land, they did before, but why they didn't now? Do you think a company who have to answer to shareholders would pull out of China, a big, rising market, out of goodness of their heart? If you think so, I suggest you should wake up to reality. Google did it as a PR move. Please educate yourself on the subject before spouting out more craps.

And it's the people's choice of what gov't they want. They don't need outsiders to tell them how to run their gov't, especially from the likes of you. 🙄

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That no one "questions" the communist rule is untrue. You're doing it yourself now, whining about something not related to you.
It's been said before, people are just not concerned about it in China. They have it well, and if you were to actually go there you'd see that it's just like any other country.
I'll bet that there are many more western QQ's than actual chinese people that are not happy with the goverment.

Here's the THING:
There's a difference between you complaining about your OWN countries problem (like the protest about black segregation in usa in the 1960:s), something that you have some actual knowledge about and affecting you in some way, compared to just whining and complaining about someone ELSES countries "problem", which you're most likely ignorant about.

There's a reason why the chinese people are not complaining and are happy (and they're not "brainwashed", I know, shocker!). Maybe you should think about why that is instead of asking why people put up with "communism".
China is communist in name only btw, just because the party is called CCP doesn't mean china is communist.

Edit: And I think you've mix up Japan with China on the whale hunting thing. Just goes to show how much you actually know...

meh, so some info was wrong due to false info from third party, but im sure the rest is true.
And i never said anything about brainwashing or anything of the sort, I just thought it of their internet to be like that. Clearly i hit a nerve because im now "whinning" about it. Shit man i made a suggestion that it is dictatorship under the asumption not many people have denied this cernsorship.The way you speak suggests that it is complete hypocracy to even utter about other countries "problems" without prejudice?

Yes china is now 2nd world due to goverment but whats the internet got to do with this? I didn't mean they had absolutly no net, They are just considerably limited. Why can't they deny the censorship? Is that so complicated?
To visit cnn online is hardly going to plumit the country into terror right?

and the guy above me? yes they did "opt" out at some point. And they also wanted to convert the google in to a world wide one at the same note.

They don't choose it, land with no democracy rulled by leaders with iron rules without question is dictatorship.

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I don't understand how people "choose" dictatorship, sounds contradictory to me.

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I don't understand how people "choose" dictatorship, sounds contradictory to me.

Never said China was dictatorship. I just said the Chinese government is legitimate since the people chose it. IF you have read all the previous posts, you would know our argument for why the Chinese government isn't a dictatorship.

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I don't understand how people "choose" dictatorship, sounds contradictory to me.

Never said China was dictatorship. I just said the Chinese government is legitimate since the people chose it. IF you have read all the previous posts, you would know our argument for why the Chinese government isn't a dictatorship.

Just backing you up here. Part of what determines a government's legitimacy is popular acceptance of its rule.

Truth be told, even if China were a dictatorship, they would be doing a pretty bang-up job considering the levels of economic growth they've maintained over the last couple years.

Just rehashing old points here, mostly, but the fundamental goal of any government is really regime survival. People like staying in power as long as possible. As long as China keeps up growth, reduces poverty in the countryside, etc. etc. people really have no reason to complain. In fact, imposing democracy on countries that are not prepared for it yet (as has been the case with several ex-colonies) produces disastrous results- it only worked in Japan after WWII because of intense statism (which basically functions like communism or a "dictatorship," decades of one party rule is pretty unilateral), and the presence of a weaker preexisting system. People are more concerned with stability than freedom- if you're happy, does it really matter all that much?

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umm i know this has only a bare relevance to the topic but i thought it was the japanese that hunted the whales in the name of science and not chinese

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umm i know this has only a bare relevance to the topic but i thought it was the japanese that hunted the whales in the name of science and not chinese

yes i already said about that and how it was wrong due to third party, but the rest is right.
My greatest apologies. 🤣

SOOOO what every one has now agreed on is that!
Since china has being doing so well up till now they would rather not question or probe that area since it is functional in china.

Is that not a show of fear for the unknown? Meaning they could become passive about other things?

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Well maybe because the last time people tried to rebel against communism in china they got massacred and run over with tanks. China rules their people by instilling fear not respect. and suppresses human rights activists from inspiring people try another anti-communism rally.the tiananmen square massacre comes to mind.

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Well maybe because the last time people tried to rebel against communism in china they got massacred and run over with tanks. China rules their people by instilling fear not respect. and suppresses human rights activists from inspiring people try another anti-communism rally.the tiananmen square massacre comes to mind.

Western sensational journalism at its best.
Can you really tell me how much of the Chinese population are human rights activists? If most are okay of it (I know some of them personally when I visited there) and the few don't like how the CCP rule, they are free to leave to anywhere that accept them. And anyway, the last time I check for the first basic principle of democracy, it's majority rule.

And what kinds of rights do they really take away from? Bing about their gov't? The last time I b about my gov't, my local representative did jackshit. People should focus on their own country's problem first, before nosing into other's business. 😮

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Well maybe because the last time people tried to rebel against communism in china they got massacred and run over with tanks. China rules their people by instilling fear not respect. and suppresses human rights activists from inspiring people try another anti-communism rally.the tiananmen square massacre comes to mind.

Western sensational journalism at its best.
Can you really tell me how much of the Chinese population are human rights activists? If most are okay of it (I know some of them personally when I visited there) and the few don't like how the CCP rule, they are free to leave to anywhere that accept them. And anyway, the last time I check for the first basic principle of democracy, it's majority rule.

And what kinds of rights do they really take away from? Bing about their gov't? The last time I b about my gov't, my local representative did jackshit. People should focus on their own country's problem first, before nosing into other's business. 😮

what is this? I can speculate zimbabwes problems if i so wish to do so. Is this some kinda territory marking mechanism?
JUST state whats wrong not blag and waffle about other people talking about other countries. If we were ingnorent to it all, things would fall apart. Speculation is devine, don't make it otherwise.

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Well maybe because the last time people tried to rebel against communism in china they got massacred and run over with tanks. China rules their people by instilling fear not respect. and suppresses human rights activists from inspiring people try another anti-communism rally.the tiananmen square massacre comes to mind.

Western sensational journalism at its best.
Can you really tell me how much of the Chinese population are human rights activists? If most are okay of it (I know some of them personally when I visited there) and the few don't like how the CCP rule, they are free to leave to anywhere that accept them. And anyway, the last time I check for the first basic principle of democracy, it's majority rule.

And what kinds of rights do they really take away from? Bing about their gov't? The last time I b about my gov't, my local representative did jackshit. People should focus on their own country's problem first, before nosing into other's business. 😮

Are you trying to say that it didnt happen? lol. do you realize WHY google was hacked? google itself claimed that whoever hacked into their system was targeting HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS EMAIL ACCOUNTS in CHINA. hmmm i wonder who that could be...
on a side note. my dad works in china, and in the winters heating isnt allowed. my dads company is a pretty big business and they dont have the power to heat their building. nor do they have a/c in the summer.
and ever since google pulled out of china the internet doesn't work at all most days there. and if it does most EVERYTHING is blocked.
and do you even realize how much poverty is in china?
uea your right i guess.at leats your ALLOWED to complain. how about you live in china and try to complain. Americans are spoiled

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umm i know this has only a bare relevance to the topic but i thought it was the japanese that hunted the whales in the name of science and not chinese

yes i already said about that and how it was wrong due to third party, but the rest is right.
My greatest apologies. 🤣

SOOOO what every one has now agreed on is that!
Since china has being doing so well up till now they would rather not question or probe that area since it is functional in china.

Is that not a show of fear for the unknown? Meaning they could become passive about other things?

No, it's just you're being a simpleton and not understanding the big picture here. Do you prefer the Chinese people to live in mass poverty with vast area of undeveloped land? That's India. It's better to have a single party that can get things done FAST, economically in this case. In addition, the Chinese culture favored collectivism over individualism, which will greatly explain why most will give up some rights so their nation can move forward FAST... something most westerners also don't understand... unless they like to destabilize China.

Probably too hard for you to understand.
Let me simplify this, individually, I would think people would prefer being alive than having freedom. Tell me what you can do if you have freedom but will die of hunger soon.

Given that you hate China so much as to make up stuffs about the Chinese killing whales (that's the Japanese, and they also prey on the dolphins too: search youtube).

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umm i know this has only a bare relevance to the topic but i thought it was the japanese that hunted the whales in the name of science and not chinese

yes i already said about that and how it was wrong due to third party, but the rest is right.
My greatest apologies. 🤣

SOOOO what every one has now agreed on is that!
Since china has being doing so well up till now they would rather not question or probe that area since it is functional in china.

Is that not a show of fear for the unknown? Meaning they could become passive about other things?

No, it's just you're being a simpleton and not understanding the big picture here. Do you prefer the Chinese people to live in mass poverty with vast area of undeveloped land? That's India. It's better to have a single party that can get things done FAST, economically in this case. In addition, the Chinese culture favored collectivism over individualism, which will greatly explain why most will give up some rights so their nation can move forward FAST... something most westerners also don't understand... unless they like to destabilize China.

Probably too hard for you to understand.
Let me simplify this, individually, I would think people would prefer being alive than having freedom. Tell me what you can do if you have freedom but will die of hunger soon.

Given that you hate China so much as to make up stuffs about the Chinese killing whales (that's the Japanese, and they also prey on the dolphins too: search youtube).

well your under the asumption that there could not possably be another goverment with beter ideals...who's the simpleton? I am looking at the ideal situation but you are too scared to look at that.
Remember this is about changing the net for more exposure-
That doesn't shawn down poverty sorry to say.

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