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You don't live in China, hence your opinion is irrelevant.

You can inform people what other governing options there are, sure. I'm all up for educated people, but if they willingly choose for that kind of government, then who are you to butt in and force your beliefs on them? No country has actually obtained communism as Marx envisioned it, so they're only "communist" in name. Also, it's not fair to judge a whole country and its government by a few instances. There are sensible and non-sensible people in any kind of culture/country.

This reminds me of that whole "rapelay game controversy". 🤨

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You don't live in China, hence your opinion is irrelevant.

You can inform people what other governing options there are, sure. I'm all up for educated people, but if they willingly choose for that kind of government, then who are you to butt in and force your beliefs on them?

Right. Listen to yourself. I would suggest that you would sit down in a quiet room. Alone. Sit and say these words to yourself. "You can inform the people about other options. I support having people educated. But if they choose WILLINGLY(you should emphasize this word as you speak), this kind of government, then who is angelh3art to butt in and force his BELIEFS?(ask a question there) on other people."

Now you see the way this works is. The people there CAN NOT make a willing choice for themselves because they are not given the rights to access the full global education and perspectives of others, including other countries governing options, this is because frigin google is disabled, cnn, i mean what the BBC? You must understand that before they can make a choice for THEMSELVES, they have to be introduced to what choices are available for them to pick from! It's like, you said that if they are willingly making a choice.... but WAIT!!....they only have 1 choice!!!. That is communism. Bare in mind that communism doesn't give multiple choice. So how can they say that they are willingly supporting it?:S Just think about this one.

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Then go out and revolt, and lets see how your superior type of government reacts

Be it the United States, China, Iran, Russia, Germany, South Africa, Colombia... if you go against the status quo, then you are going to get mauled... as simple as that...

Go out and tell your government NO internet content should be censored, tell them you want to allow it all... and wait for their reaction.

Chaoswind. I see what you are saying. You must of not read all the posts in this thread however. I suggest you re-look them, especially my post on page 3.

Like i said if people are afraid, then why are they? Because if they are afraid this means that they KNOW that they are not free, otherwise why would they be afraid? And if no one cares about the country's well being from outer parts of the world, nor from the inner parts of China, then no action will be taken and they will all live along "happily" staying the biggest populated country in the world with no political freedom? Now remember this carefully i'm nowhere in my post saying that communism is BAD and that democracy is GOOD, however what I can say is that communism is in no way freedom... If you cannot be bothered to read all of my post here is an example from history for you to look at, how things CAN be changed by mere civilians with no tanks, guns or ammunition needed 😉 :

**Lithuania. A small country in the far eastern europe. I bet no one on this forum even knows where it is. 19 years ago, the country did not even have a name "lithuania", it was merely a part of "russian communist empire". Not until 1 day. Because until that day NO one in the whole country were brave enough to uncover the truth behind why Lithuania only existed as a part of Russian communist empire, suppressed under a law of so called "equality", not until ONE person, who was a Lithuanian news reporter showed her concerns towards the countrys well being. She locked herself in a television tower in southern part of the capital and asked people (mere civilians) to come help her support this rebelious act to prevent the suppression of dictatorship and free the country to implement democracy. She broadcasted the news on all channels, until the outer reaches of europe (countries independent of Russian communist empire), saw it and decided to announce Lithuania as an independent society, Bare in mind that Lithuania as a name of the country didn't even exist whilst in the Russian communist empire.

Civilian people took part in this, led by a single person who they believed would bring them a better future (in this case she suggested democracy). Since the country barely made it half way to second world country with communism active. Now, they are actively more than half way to the first world. WHY? Because it is led by an independent society that can make choices for THEMSELVES.

WHY didn't people just ignore the journalist lady and say "well communism has helped us to reach second world". This is BECAUSE they wanted to be free and independent. BECAUSE they were introduced to what FREEDOM really is. "**

And like i said:

"Reason why chinese people aren't showing the concern is mainly because they are suppressed under a fear of governments corruption and fear of death, whereas a sacrifice of a few would bring the country the freedom it really deserves".[/b]
I'm not saying that people should sacrifice themselves obviously because that would be promoting a death act. In Lithuania's case it worked out, only a few people were killed and their deaths weren't in vain. Russians, who knew that they were being filmed attempting to run civilian people over with tanks were afraid that if outer countries find out they might start a war which they will definitely not want to happen.
However what I am saying is that IF China is introduced to the meaning of the political freedom, they might come up with some other idea on what political freedom means to them! Instead of being led by a communist government which makes choices for the Chinese people. I mean holy shit there are no government head elections. That's crazy.

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Idealistically speaking, communism is inheritantly lot less likely to have corruption b/c a person has no wealth. The people do. So, the things you do as a government, cannot benefit your personal agenda as much to the free market society.

I'm not chinese, but I say I would vote for world wide communism. B/c distributed communism doesn't work as well as Marx envisioned as we can see today.

No communism will ever work absolutely ever. 🙂
The only place where it would work is in small village in a jungle or something. Tribes ect.
It's romantic, but unattainable.

And CNN is not an international news. It is American.

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Seriously, I feel bad for people that post in this thread, because it's like it has been made only for the purpouse of trolling. 🤣

Now, no, I didn't bother reading all of the posts here (specially fr33nob's and angelh3art) so I only have to say:

• No Google=No net? Seriously? 🤣

• No net=Corrupt China? 🤣 I don't really know what kind of corruption are you talking about, and if you are randomly using the word "corrupt" because you might like it, you should think before using it.

• "If China is introduced to the meaning of the political freedom... blah blah blah" - You seriously think it's just like that? I think people think too highly of democracy, it's far from what people think it's. And if you think chinese people are all brainwashed, do some research, travel to China, etc, then maybe you will have a better view on the matter than the one you currently have.

And finally, I feel sorry for myself for posting in this thread. 🤣

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You all are missing the point, If their conditions are bearable (probably better off than most democratic governments), then there is no reason to revolt and demand more...

The average man just wants to lead a happy life, have a home, raise kids, and die... If your government can do that for you, then there isn't much of a reason to ask for more... besides that is the so called American dream, the very reason so many immigrants went/go to America... If the Chinese government, be it Dictatorship, Tyranny, or Monarchy, can provide that, then they are doing the best for their country.

Democrazy isn't sweet people... nothing is

Now, Most Americans have spend decades of luxury and wealth (while the rest of the planet crawls) the so called American dream is now a Million dollar house with a super model wife/groom, a Ferrari, and a Guitar shaped Pool.

To most of you Wealth is the most important thing in the world (and is to me), but to those that have suffered in poverty nothing BEATS stability and a minimum of happiness.. and as long as they can achieve that, then your free speech nuttards can go to hell.

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There's new comments coming faster than I can (bother to) read, and it seems most people are just interested in saying their own opinions and not reading other people's.

Well, here's some questions. Is democracy working? Are things alright with countries that have democracy? And is democracy actually freedom? Does democracy ensure that the will of the people is going to happen? And do people really know what is good for themselves, what they want, or how can they achieve what's good for them?

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You don't live in China, hence your opinion is irrelevant.

It might be stupid, ignorant, biased etc., but I wouldn't call it irrelevant. But I think I know what you mean.

These days people think they are so liberal and tolerant and whatnot. For example, people think it's very modern and good if you accept homosexuality and bisexuality and transsexualism et cetera, and, well, be open minded and accepting, and they themselves shun people who think there's something wrong with those things and that only heterosexuality is good for their believes.

Nowadays it seems to me that people are starting to demand everyone to be more and more similar. Individuality is highly appreciated, as long as their believes are right (like ours). The things that are "accepted" are so superficial. What's the use of accepting a religion or culture if you don't accept their believes and values. Not actually believe that they are right. Have your own opinions, but accept that other people have other values and beliefs that you do.

And arguments seem to be just shouting your own opinion (also in here). After long conversations and arguments no one's opinion has changed (not that it has to) because no one actually bothers to think that perhaps they're wrong and there might be some truth in what other people say.

And no, I think I'm not off topic.

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There's new comments coming faster than I can (bother to) read, and it seems most people are just interested in saying their own opinions and not reading other people's.

Well, here's some questions. Is democracy working? Are things alright with countries that have democracy? And is democracy actually freedom? Does democracy ensure that the will of the people is going to happen? And do people really know what is good for themselves, what they want, or how can they achieve what's good for them?

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You don't live in China, hence your opinion is irrelevant.

It might be stupid, ignorant, biased etc., but I wouldn't call it irrelevant. But I think I know what you mean.

These days people think they are so liberal and tolerant and whatnot. For example, people think it's very modern and good if you accept homosexuality and bisexuality and transsexualism et cetera, and, well, be open minded and accepting, and they themselves shun people who think there's something wrong with those things and that only heterosexuality is good for their believes.

Nowadays it seems to me that people are starting to demand everyone to be more and more similar. Individuality is highly appreciated, as long as their believes are right (like ours). The things that are "accepted" are so superficial. What's the use of accepting a religion or culture if you don't accept their believes and values. Not actually believe that they are right. Have your own opinions, but accept that other people have other values and beliefs that you do.

And arguments seem to be just shouting your own opinion (also in here). After long conversations and arguments no one's opinion has changed (not that it has to) because no one actually bothers to think that perhaps they're wrong and there might be some truth in what other people say.

And no, I think I'm not off topic.

You are not, and I agree...

I am not saying I am right, but I have first hand experience of a "working" democrazy, and have a couple of Chinese friends in MSN, and I have to say that I think they are better off... and they agree.

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Seriously, I feel bad for people that post in this thread, because it's like it has been made only for the purpouse of trolling. 🤣

Now, no, I didn't bother reading all of the posts here (specially fr33nob's and angelh3art) so I only have to say:

• No Google=No net? Seriously? 🤣

• No net=Corrupt China? 🤣 I don't really know what kind of corruption are you talking about, and if you are randomly using the word "corrupt" because you might like it, you should think before using it.

• "If China is introduced to the meaning of the political freedom... blah blah blah" - You seriously think it's just like that? I think people think too highly of democracy, it's far from what people think it's. And if you think chinese people are all brainwashed, do some research, travel to China, etc, then maybe you will have a better view on the matter than the one you currently have.

And finally, I feel sorry for myself for posting in this thread. 🤣

Its so true. I just can't resist.
I feel stupid now 😐

This thread was only made for Angel and fr33noob.

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Now you see the way this works is. The people there CAN NOT make a willing choice for themselves because they are not given the rights to access the full global education and perspectives of others, including other countries governing options, this is because frigin google is disabled, cnn, i mean what the BBC? You must understand that before they can make a choice for THEMSELVES, they have to be introduced to what choices are available for them to pick from! It's like, you said that if they are willingly making a choice.... but WAIT!!....they only have 1 choice!!!. That is communism. Bare in mind that communism doesn't give multiple choice. So how can they say that they are willingly supporting it?:S Just think about this one.

How ignorant can one be? Don't have access to full global education? What, you think China is some backward country equally technologically advanced as some tribal village in the middle of the Amazon?

And you fail logic. Hard. I won't even go into how hard with your 1 choice communism thing.
I'll only deal with your statement that it's impossible to support something with 1 choice. Really? Are you that stupid? What has supporting something anything with choices to do. You support what you're supporting, not some other thing (choice).

For example: Do you support your country's official football team? Yes, no? There's only one choice, you can't support another team since your country only has one. Does the number of choices has anything to do with your support or not?

Something I've noticed during all arguments about China.
Pro tip how to distinguish between well read and ignorant people:
If the person claims that people in China is being suppressed and living in fear of death they're talking out of their ASS.
That's of course a blatant lie born of ignorance since a single visit to China would immediately tell you otherwise, thus making anything that person says bullshit and irrelevant.

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Seriously, I feel bad for people that post in this thread, because it's like it has been made only for the purpouse of trolling. 🤣

Now, no, I didn't bother reading all of the posts here (specially fr33nob's and angelh3art) so I only have to say:

• No Google=No net? Seriously? 🤣

• No net=Corrupt China? 🤣 I don't really know what kind of corruption are you talking about, and if you are randomly using the word "corrupt" because you might like it, you should think before using it.

• "If China is introduced to the meaning of the political freedom... blah blah blah" - You seriously think it's just like that? I think people think too highly of democracy, it's far from what people think it's. And if you think chinese people are all brainwashed, do some research, travel to China, etc, then maybe you will have a better view on the matter than the one you currently have.

read angels last quote and i will say no more...you people are ignorant on purpose with no real reason. Seriously it is just pathetic...if you disagree state why and read angels last post, read it all punk 🤣 And did i say google is the net, its just a big part of it.

LOOOK AND READ, i think that is a fairly easy job, if you can't then DON'T refute what you only have half sense of...

For example: Do you support your country's official football team? Yes, no? There's only one choice, you can't support another team since your country only has one. Does the number of choices has anything to do with your support or not?

STUPID post
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I am not forced to support that football team, I dont support england and i live here.
Your logic is nonsesical.
I support portugal and i still feel the same glory no matter were i am, polatics is different.

And you fail logic. Hard. I won't even go into how hard with your 1 choice communism thing.
I'll only deal with your statement that it's impossible to support something with 1 choice. Really? Are you that stupid? What has supporting something anything with choices to do. You support what you're supporting, not some other thing (choice).

When you read it you will realise we are not saying it is failing but there could be better options. You are making shit up.

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read angels last quote and i will say no more...you people are ignorant on purpose with no real reason. Seriously it is just pathetic...if you disagree state why and read angels last post, read it all punk 🤣 And did i say google is the net, its just a big part of it.

LOOOK AND READ, i think that is a fairly easy job, if you can't then DON'T refute what you only have half sense of...

If you by "say no more" mean speechless, then yes, I'm speechless. His last post is a complete mess spouting ignorant shit and irrelevant stuff about Lithuania. It also gives me a window into his twisted mind, the way he comes to the conclusion that the Chinese people are suppressed from a dream about butterflies or something. His chain of thought is just scary.

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STUPID post
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I am not forced to support that football team, I dont support england and i live here.
Your logic is nonsesical.
I support portugal and i still feel the same glory no matter were i am, polatics is different.

You're not forced to support the government in China either. We've been over this many times: you don't know shit about China. That's fine, but don't go off spouting nonsense.

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If you by "say no more" mean speechless, then yes, I'm speechless. His last post is a complete mess spouting ignorant shit and irrelevant stuff about Lithuania. It also gives me a window into his twisted mind, the way he comes to the conclusion that the Chinese people are suppressed from a dream about butterflies or something. His chain of thought is just scary.

Irrelevant stuff? Oh, do I love the ignorance in you. thumbs up

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Irrelevant stuff? Oh, do I love the ignorance in you. thumbs up

An arbitrary example from a random country is relevant now? That's the fucking definition of irrelevant.

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You're not forced to support the government in China either. We've been over this many times: you don't know shit about China. That's fine, but don't go off spouting nonsense.

Communism. It does not F@"*&ING need your support? don't you get it? It's just there. Regardless of you supporting it or not. And I could not care less if you do. WHAT IM SAYING IS it does NOT give choice to people to change it or choose a different way of governing! It's absolute. And football it's just irrelevant.WTF?! In football, if a team wins a match, no one gives a flying F**K if you support them or not because they are the ones to triumph. The football team alone it doesn't have an effect on people unless you're a retard. It doesn't force you to support it? YOU HAVE A CHOICE.
Quit talking nonsense. Bye.

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I think I'm gonna stop posting here now.

Reminder to myself: don't feed the trolls and retarded. I feel ashamed now.