It's part of my belief that as human we can (and will) get over anything, and will get stronger after said obstacle has passed.
Just because your life may be horrible at that time, and if you were to enjoy it wouldn't make you sadist. (More you'd focus on only the good things).
And if I don't use the word coward I would use worst words like failure. (In more than one way) There really are worst words I could use, but I won't because others will rant (not in the mood to listen to that), and it puts me in a bad place. (serious mood - anger. I can be a very nasty person, and when I'm like that I would not call myself nice in the slightest.)

Again if I knew someone that did such a thing I would do what I said in my last post. If it was someone my friend or family member knew (but I didn't) I would just comfort that person as best as I could, keeping my thoughts to myself.

Actually ... the only time I could feel sorry for someone who committed that act would be if that person had lost a child. I could see that person's mind breaking to the point of killing themselves.
Wait let me just change this to someone who is literally crazy and commits suicide.

(sigh I know I may sound harsh or insensitive, but I'm not explaining the other side as to why I feel this way. Don't want to either. It's too much and I'm too lazy at the moment).

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Failure sounds even worse. So then - failure according to whom? Why would a person judge the 'worthiness' of his own existence against someones else expectations? Why does a person needs someone to tell him that he did either good or bad? If he does, then can he call it "living his own life" anymore, when all his being is artificially constructed based on others perception of how he's supposed to be like? Well that's what I call a failure - living as a tamed puppy on the leash, scared into obedience.

Why do people commit suicide in the first place? Maybe they are simply tired. Tired to live their lives as hypocrites. Maybe. I don't read minds, so who knows...

The hell is that?

I DID say that failure was worst. (and I do have other words I could use that are equally bad, or worst).

But why the word failure you ask?
Failure to find one's self, accept them self, accept the world with all it's harshness, and find the will power to change things they want to change. To survive, adapt, and find their own happiness (since it's out there somewhere in some shape or form).
If you were taking a test, and you just gave up. You'd fail that test. It's the same with life, if you give up on your own life (something you should have control over) then you failed at life. I feel no sympathy for quitters, instead I get angry that they have squandered such a treasure as life.
Yes their lives might have been shit at the time they committed the act, but shit happens. Either shit happens a lot, or your on a lucky streak and it doesn't happen often. You won't know how well the good in life is without the bad.

I never said by someone else's exceptions, or rules. To be a tamed puppy, or get scared into obedience. I think everyone should live life to the fullest, and with utmost joy. Keyword live.
If you don't have that joy, go find it. Do something about it, don't just admit defeat like some pansy and off yourself.

I refuse to believe anyone isn't capable or getting stronger, and finding happiness. This is the reason why I'm so ... hostile? (can't think of a better word) against suicide.

Sidenote- Sorry if the cursing bothered you, I got caught up in the moment.

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No one belongs to anyone. No one should be able to tell us how to think. No one should be able to tell us what we are supposed to do. No one should be able to to judge what we do. Because there is such a thing as freedom, right? Well... It's fiction, like a tooth fairy, since people can't even "write an epilogue" for the story of their own life without being frowned upon. But I doubt that those who actually kill themselves care about it much, as dead don't care about such a petty things anymore, they rot in peace. Those who "care" are the selfish people crying afterwards. Funny, because if they truly cared, they would be happy instead, since the person they cared about finally has found peace in death. That makes me doubt their actual relationship with deceased person and if they truly ever knew him in the first place... Heh, Mysteries of life...

Anyhow, since when life was a treasure? Somehow the bloody history of human kind hints that it's not like that at all. People die left and right for stupid reasons each day even now, so can't really type that it's a just history... It's still an everyday reality. The difference is that now we can wash blood from our hands using tap water, but people before had to put an extra effort and bring water from the well or do it in the river. Life becomes more convenient day by day, eh?

More on the topic. It might be my last contribution on it actually, since I stated my view on it pretty clear before, to avoid confusion I will repeat it again and add something as well.

People can do whatever the fuck they want with their life.

Even when someone is "saved" or he survives from your everyday seppuku, the one who lives on is not him, it's someone else.

The hell is that?

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No one belongs to anyone. No one should be able to tell us how to think. No one should be able to tell us what we are supposed to do. No one should be able to to judge what we do. Because there is such a thing as freedom, right? I never said those things or you're interpreting what I said as that, and you know what they say about assuming 😛 .

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Those who "care" are the selfish people crying afterwards. Funny, because if they truly cared, they would be happy instead, since the person they cared about finally has found peace in death. That makes me doubt their actual relationship with deceased person and if they truly ever knew him in the first place. Wow. The ones grieving are the selfish ones. Yes, because there's no way they could be sad for them that they couldn't enjoy life. Yup those selfish bastards.
As for finally finding peace. Well if you're religious you definitely didn't find peace seeing as you would be in hell. If you don't believe in hell or an afterlife would you really be at peace? It would just be nothingness, you would not have a mind(or soul) to feel tranquil as you would when you do get some peace.

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Anyhow, since when life was a treasure?

o.o how can it not be? (don't want to get on this subject, and I won't)

Let's just agree to disagree.

I will however, partially agree with you on "People can do whatever the fuck they want with their life."
but death is not the same as life. (You don't get to decide if you're born, and don't get to decide when you die. You shouldn't get to decide when).

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As for finally finding peace. Well if you're religious you definitely didn't find peace seeing as you would be in hell. If you don't believe in hell or an afterlife would you really be at peace? It would just be nothingness, you would not have a mind (or soul) to feel tranquil as you would when you do get some peace.

Religious belief doesn't play a part in the actual "act of dying" though. You said, if one's religious and commits suicide he goes to Hell, by which I mean the pit full of fire. If one's an atheist and commits suicide then he might as well go to hell, in the sense that there's nothing there to shelter him. But isn't that like denying god's existence in itself?

You talked as if there was some kind of bifurcation at the end of the line: if you believe, you go to Heaven/Hell. If you don't believe you go to "nothingness". So "nothingness" would be the Atheist's realm, sort of, where god takes no part. And if god takes no part in where the dead Atheist go, then the same god has no bearing on how the alive Atheist came to be. It makes sense, following your previous statement that "no one decides when he or she is born; no one decides when he or she gets to die".

This also makes for the possibility of people having no soul after they die: you just disappear, "you would not have a mind to feel tranquil" -- of course not, because in the Atheist's realm everything is settled. There's no more noise. Isn't that just like godly peace? It is, except there's no god to impose on you, throughout life and throughout death apparently . I don't see why anyone would choose Heaven over "nothingness", when the latter seems so much more liberating.

I'm sorry, I do realise I've gone way out of subject but what you said on those few lines was much more interesting to me than the whole argument around suicide, as it puts something of the Christian conception of the afterlife into perspective.

However, I am at your side in some points. For instance, I don't agree either that those who stay and cry for their loved ones are selfish. That's too cynical, even for me. We're dealing with death, not a break-up. Death means you'll never see that person again, you lose their companionship, their laughter, their love, the mere thought of them being safe and sound--even if all the way across the globe, even if you can't see them everyday. When that special someone dies you are robbed of a crucial part of yourself. And thus you cry. You don't cry because they have stopped suffering and just vanished to some place else-- that would be selfish. You cry because you lost them, and sometimes because they didn't take you with them. That's not selfish, that's pain. And you can't help that pain.

As for the actual subject of suicide, I stand with whitespade, who said:

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everyone have the right to their own life. however, i do think most people are suicidal due to mental disease or life hardship thus it is the society, and the government obligation to help them regain their interest in life. i'll never presume the person is selfish or bad or weak - i do not live their life so i do not understand their train of thought. but i do believe treatment, counselling, or removal of cause of suicidal thought will provide a better outlook for them.

We are the optimists (or the naïve, maybe) but I do believe this comes closer to what is the most practical position--in the humane sense of it (of course there's nothing more practical than saying "fuck it, it's their lives not mine" but that's not really solving anything is it? If anything, it makes for more social problems, which we sure don't need).

Depression may be the number one reason why someone thinks about suicide, but for anyone to judge this we have to look at all the "surrounding reasons" that led to this number one depression. Life is hard, sure. But life is harder if you're poor, life is harder if you're sick, life is harder if you're handicap and so on and so forth, and none of these mishaps are that person’s fault alone. All these reasons can and should be eliminated through the agency of the social community (governments or what have you). Otherwise, if god doesn't make the pain go away somehow he may as well forgive those poor souls who off themselves so easily, or rather so regularly nowadays....

For that, too, I don't think suicide is the coward's line. I think saying that (and equally sad things that have been said here on the subject) reveals more of a coward's personality than choosing suicide.

Like someone said here before, as human and social beings, who are naturally made to learn and live and only culturally taught to hate, our main goal should be nonetheless happiness. Happiness is real. Hope is an abstract concept we keep returning to in hours of pain and dread, which doesn't speak much on its behalf if you ask me. A person can live fine without hope, so long as they have happiness. But hope becomes insufferable and deafening in a world without happiness.

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Let's just agree to disagree. 

I will however, partially agree with you on "People can do whatever the fuck they want with their life."
but death is not the same as life. (You don't get to decide if you're born, and don't get to decide when you die. You shouldn't get to decide when).

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I think that people shouldn't talk lightly about this kind of thing and even less think that people who have done or tried to do this did it without thinking at all. And if you think about it carefully someday it could even happen to you neighbor, it could happen to your children or even to you. It can be that one day you are living in heaven and the next one you are in hell and that can happen to anyone, even the nearest people to you, and you can't judge them because the way that you see the things is totally different for another person even if you think you know them you'll never know someone completely and something that is meaningless for you can be the worst for another person and vice versa.

Please read this article and the video and try to get in her skin and tell me if don't understand even a bit why she did it.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/amanda-todd-teenager-commits-suicide-1376976
Or this one:
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/article/4771266
I makes me cry when I see that people suicide themselves but I don't thing it's their fault sometimes there's someone killing them little by little and at the end when they are already destroyed, they cut their last string with life themselves. And the worst of that is that those people who were the real assassins keep on living and have and educate their children to be monsters like them.
But it can be too because of a chronically depression and then no one is at fault, but really no one has the right to judge them because they didn't mean to hurt anyone and you can never say "I'll never drink form this water" because someday you can feel too thirsty. I think there are a lot of worse things you can choose from to judge.