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17 years ago
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Alright people, out curiosity and a bit debate against my English teacher.
Was wondering what you guys believe in. Yourself or the big big soo big you can't see "wheel of destiny" and fate.... in general life itself

Ohh and ...Free Will + for me

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17 years ago
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well depends on what your talking about, are you talking about life itself, or your action's specifically. i'd like to think it's free will, but you never konw ^^


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17 years ago
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hmmm.....fate is strong and plays a big part in things, but if we really want to do to do something, and our free will is strong, we can overcome fate...
deep stuff for me...it's a bit of both then... 🙂


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17 years ago
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Your actions lead to your fate while destiny meets you along the way.
A bit of both, I suppose 😀


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17 years ago
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i think you can't a lot of things done with will
but there are still somethings you just can't change....


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17 years ago
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The fate of free will ?


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17 years ago
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Bit of both, I think you have the power to affect what happens to you on small matters, but the large life altering moments are ment to be.


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17 years ago
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Free will, definitely.

Of course there are many things in life that are out of your hands (the family you're born into and/or grow up in for starters) but I think of it as "chance" rather than "fate".

I don't think that ANY part of my future is predestined, except maybe health stuff that may be lurking in my DNA, but even that kind of thing is an "increased chance" rather than a "100% guarantee" so I don't really see it as fate.

Maybe it's just because I'm getting older, but I can look back on my life so far and see quite a few times where there were several viable options and it took some thinking to choose the one I did, and if I'd chosen one of the other options, then it's pretty hard to see how I would have ended up where I am (in life, not just geography). Of course it can be argued that all my inner debates and the eventual decision were also predetermined...but since there's no way to prove it either way, I prefer to think I have control over my own life. 😃


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17 years ago
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i believe in fate and will..i mean its fate that everyone is gona die you wont be able to stop it


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17 years ago
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Determinism. I always loved this sentence of Schopenhauer: "Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants."


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17 years ago
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What I define as fate is a cumulative force created by free will of others and predictable natural events. We describe it as fate, because humanity is incapable of discerning with 100% certainty the result of all natural events. However, if man had the ability to know what every single atom, electron, proton, etc... was doing, then it is theoretically possible to calculate a single outcome aka the future(screw the uncertainty principal). Because fate is predictable, and constant, then the only variables remaining are the interactions between your freewill and the free will of others.

However, because the brain is a system of biochemical signals which processes information from the outside environment, then the collective inputs of one's environment (fate) creates a singel output (singular freewill, only one real choice), which is ultimately the little voice in our head that tells us to do things. If we assume that the brain is nothing more than this system and not something deeper having to do with a soul, then freewill is nothing more than a predictable natural event. If so, then what I define as fate and freewill are the same thing. Now divide by zero and everything will be ok.


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17 years ago
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Quote from Mindflayer

**Determinism. **I always loved this sentence of Schopenhauer: "Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants."

This one~ 😃


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17 years ago
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I would really hope that it is free will and that is what I believe, but like others said, you can't really know which one it truly is.


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17 years ago
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I voted for free will, but I do not believe in free will.
Destiny is just too far fetced.
Our future is in the hands of others, not destiny,
not yourself, but other people hold the keys in the
modern world by trying to do something that would
help them to reach their goals and therefore affect
our world. I believe in coincidence.


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17 years ago
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Will alone can't fulfill everything, BIG dreams require both Fate and willpower in order to achieve them


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