If you guys don't want somemody (no, that's not a typo) to lock this topic, stop spamming it, and start PM'ing each other. Or you could end this discussion here - as far as I can see, it's a simple case of differing experiences, and consequently, differing opinions.

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Again, you are still generalizing, like evey man is the same, like you and don't have much reason.

"You are still generalizing" is a trite way to disagree with someone.

What's wrong with generalizing? Generalizing is just one of many ways to apply experience or semantic knowledge. If you disagree, then just say so and we'll just end this, because I don't think this will be productive.

I get the impression that you're being defensive, because you mention "supposedly annoying girly stuff", assuming that I find girly stuff annoying. I haven't explicitly said that.

You might even be proving my point, because you're responding negatively and defensively to a personal experience I'm trying to objectively describe. This exact attitude/response is why I avoid this kind of tone or discussion/argument with [most] women I know offline.

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I get the impression that you're being defensive, because you mention "supposedly annoying girly stuff", assuming that I find girly stuff annoying. I haven't explicitly said that.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. What I meant by "supposedly annoy girly stuff" is:

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I'd think that guys wouldn't mind if we kept our period talks and bitching about other girls to ourselves either.

That author is obviously female. If I really did assume, wouldn't I assume she find it annoying? Why would you think everything is about you? You are way too sensitive.

Depends how much I have been drinking 😁

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It changes from one girl to another, just like guys we all have different tastes and expectations but I wouldn't advise going out with a girl who is grossed out by a simple fart or a burp, as long as you don't deliberately do it its fine, mind you, if I was going out with someone and they farted really loudly, and really obviously, I would fall about laughing. People think that finding farting funny is immature, but what is more immature is judging someone when they accidentally let rip.

I think the best thing you could do is just relax, don't force conversation and be like you would be around a guy but don't treat her like a guy or a girl, just treat her like a normal human being you like and respect. My best friend is really close to all the guys in her group and just as friends, they have tug of wars and play around like little kids and it doesn't matter that she is a girl and they are guys, they are just people who like each others company and they have heaps of fun.

Skinship is alright, as long as it isn't overly affectionate, my friend who plays with the guys had a guy stroke her arm because she fell asleep on his shoulder on a bus on the way to tree planting camp and she was totally creeped out and now hates the guy, but at the same time she wrestles with her guy friends at lunchtime and recess, as long as it is just playful and not affectionate, the girl wont get creeped out.

Also, don't try to impress her, just don't it is really, really easy to totally get it wrong and make her think you are an egotistical freak. Just be nice and friendly, relax and enjoy yourself as if you were hanging around with your mates. Be clean but don't try to make yourself look great with a special hair style, a huge amount of deodorant and an outfit that looks like you really did just spend an hour in front of the mirror working out how to look as impressive as possible. Keep it understated but still slightly present enough to be pleasant.

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Maybe I didn't make myself clear. What I meant by "supposedly annoy girly stuff" is:

Well then let me make myself more clear.

I don't think any of what I've said has been unreasonable. Exceptions exist for rules, as I've mentioned already. (That being given, exception often proves the rule.)

I mentioned that the topic starter should apply common sense and caution with regards to just "behaving the same way he would around women as he would with men." It does depend on the individual and context, but that's a platitude, and not very useful. I'm not exactly the only one who disagreed with the person who just plainly stated that he should just treat men/women as if they were the same with regards to his own behaviour. I merely offered my own explanation.

You say we shouldn't generalize, but is that your only point? I hardly think that needs mentioning, and falls under the realm of common sense, which I'm sure Casey has enough of considering his writing. (He has better position than us to judge individuals he meets and gets to know.)

I was starting to laugh at this topic, but realized that I experience the same problem-- I don't know how to act normally around guys- apparently I come across as cold. 😐
I agree with most people here, though. Just be yourself, but be polite! One thing most of my female friends (who are outgoing, social-types, unlike me) hate are rude guys who joke about girls' weights, crack rude jokes all the time, and blatantly stare at the girls' assets 😲

That being said, I would love to hear opinions about how to act around guys- I don't want to look like a flirt or something (which is the way I see lots of other girls interact with guys), but I don't want to come across as unnecessarily/unreasonably cold either. It would be nice to know about things that guys would not want girls to do when you're interacting with them.

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That being said, I would love to hear opinions about how to act around guys- I don't want to look like a flirt or something (which is the way I see lots of other girls interact with guys), but I don't want to come across as unnecessarily/unreasonably cold either. It would be nice to know about things that guys would not want girls to do when you're interacting with them.

Generally, in larger groups, I'd avoid talking about gender-specific issues until knowing the people better. Probably applies to women as well. They should avoid it, because there's almost always someone who will be bothered by the subject or be annoyed, whether that is someone with heavily conservative values or reserved personality, or someone for which the subject is sensitive.

Otherwise, if you just want to make male friends (and even hook up) and make them feel good around you, one suggestion I could make is to play on the male ego. One example: ask for help on simple matters you are reasonably confident a guy can handle. Ask them for their opinions on things. It's cheap/low-cost, low risk, devious, and helps you get to know them a bit more without exposing too much of yourself.

I've had this trick played on me and other men, before I got wiser and realized it. Even then, I still feel a bit flattered that they'd put forth this kind of "effort".

EDIT: Interesting subject. I've never bothered to look before, but I see now that there's a wikiHow on this very subject:
http://www.wikihow.com/Hang-Out-with-Guys-%28for-Girls%29

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It changes from one girl to another, just like guys we all have different tastes and expectations but I wouldn't advise going out with a girl who is grossed out by a simple fart or a burp, as long as you don't deliberately do it its fine, mind you, if I was going out with someone and they farted really loudly, and really obviously, I would fall about laughing. People think that finding farting funny is immature, but what is more immature is judging someone when they accidentally let rip.

burps grossed people out no? Of course there is an exception: if it's totally can't be held back or you can't totally help it. But I would definitely burps in a restroom or when there is nobody, not straight on people's faces. My experience is that guys or girls sometimes burps several times. Geez... so many "accidental" burps

I think the best thing you could do is just relax, don't force conversation and be like you would be around a guy but don't treat her like a guy or a girl, just treat her like a normal human being you like and respect. My best friend is really close to all the guys in her group and just as friends, they have tug of wars and play around like little kids and it doesn't matter that she is a girl and they are guys, they are just people who like each others company and they have heaps of fun.

it works for tomboys. I prefer to be treated like a guy friend. I just don't feel comfy with people treat me like little miss fragile but this is me. Some people do like being treated as miss princess though. I think, chance is about 1 out of 3

Skinship is alright, as long as it isn't overly affectionate, my friend who plays with the guys had a guy stroke her arm because she fell asleep on his shoulder on a bus on the way to tree planting camp and she was totally creeped out and now hates the guy, but at the same time she wrestles with her guy friends at lunchtime and recess, as long as it is just playful and not affectionate, the girl wont get creeped out.

agree. Especially when you're not awake. That girl prolly think the possibility that there'll be more than a stroke if she's not awake. And always know how close you are to the girl. I personally like to have my own space. I don't want some random people to touch me casually or hug me. It's in my culture and I'm sure it's different elsewhere. If the people are close enough, I'm okay with hugging and casually touch them when I talk. Try to read her gesture and if she ever touch you and feel comfortable around you (she looks natural), you can probably touch her. It's funny how my friend actually asked me if I was okay with him hugging me once. We weren't that close and I wasn't comfortable and by him asking me afterwards, I was actually feel appreciated.

Also, don't try to impress her, just don't it is really, really easy to totally get it wrong and make her think you are an egotistical freak. Just be nice and friendly, relax and enjoy yourself as if you were hanging around with your mates. Be clean but don't try to make yourself look great with a special hair style, a huge amount of deodorant and an outfit that looks like you really did just spend an hour in front of the mirror working out how to look as impressive as possible. Keep it understated but still slightly present enough to be pleasant.

Hah.... dress to impress can fail miserably sometimes. Although it sounds cliche, more girls actually prefer personality than looks. I know couples that you call as beauty and the beast pairing. Girls love guys with charms and that doesn't necessarily and solely mean look. It's how to dress well and clean, being funny, smart and make girls feel they're appreciated

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Hmm...well, I think in general, just treating them like people- I guess like your male acquaintances, is a good start. However, this doesn't mean "Treat girls exactly like guys". It just means there's not really a big guidebook- we're people, we feel the same emotion you do, heck, I was exactly like you except I was more shy around guys. I thought the same stuff until I realized that we're both people and aren't really all that different, save for a few key things. If I were you, I'd avoid this:

-Talking about attractive/unattractive girls

This is a surefire way to piss off pretty much any girl you're hanging out with. Just steer clear of it. When my close guy friends do it, especially if there's more than one of them there, it gets really uncomfortable really fast. It makes me feel bad and I really don't like it- and I can assure you that a lot of girls share this sentiment. Reserve that talk for your guy friends, please. Just like you most likely don't want to hear me talk about the guy with the best penis/fattest wallet/best looks/whatever makes guys feel bad about themselves, I don't want to hear your opinion on who's got the best tits/ass/face/legs.

Other than that, just try to be polite- and don't be touchy-feely with us, especially if you're not that way with your guyfriends. Just like guys, every one of us is different- some people do not like hugs/touching ESPECIALLY if they are not close with the person, and they're the opposite gender. Wait until you know someone first- better yet, if they offer to give you a hug, good! (*That doesn't mean she wants to bang you...girls are really touchy with each other, so don't be surprised and mis-interpret it 🤢 )

I think everything else has been said.

This weekend I was at a party and this guy took of his wet underwear and threw them at a girl and told me "you see this is why you never get any girls Max, you have to be a bit pushy" I'm not convinced 😛

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-Remain calm and avoid sudden movements.
-Give her plenty of room, allowing her to continue her activities undisturbed. If she changes her behavior, you're too close so back away.
-If you see a girl but the girl doesn't see you, detour quickly and quietly.
-If a girl spots you, try to get her attention while she is still farther away. You want her to know you're human so talk in a normal voice and wave your arms.
-Remember that a standing girl is not always a sign of aggression. Many times, girls will stand to get a better view.
-Throw something onto the ground (like your camera) if the girl pursues you, as she may be distracted by this and allow you to escape.
-Never feed or throw food to a girl.

...Oh, sorry that was for bears. My bad.

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This weekend I was at a party and this guy took of his wet underwear and threw them at a girl and told me "you see this is why you never get any girls Max, you have to be a bit pushy" I'm not convinced 😛

Glad to see you still have some common sense.
If you listen to that guy, you'd have a higher probability of getting a restraining order than getting a girlfriend 🤣 .

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This weekend I was at a party and this guy took of his wet underwear and threw them at a girl and told me "you see this is why you never get any girls Max, you have to be a bit pushy" I'm not convinced 😛

Glad to see you still have some common sense.
If you listen to that guy, you'd have a higher probability of getting a restraining order than getting a girlfriend 🤣 .

More than a few restraining orders - and a few oter things thrown in 🤣
Does that kinda thing ever actually work? If yes, I'm amazed. And kinda creeped out.

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This weekend I was at a party and this guy took of his wet underwear and threw them at a girl and told me "you see this is why you never get any girls Max, you have to be a bit pushy" I'm not convinced 😛

Glad to see you still have some common sense.
If you listen to that guy, you'd have a higher probability of getting a restraining order than getting a girlfriend 🤣 .

More than a few restraining orders - and a few oter things thrown in 🤣
Does that kinda thing ever actually work? If yes, I'm amazed. And kinda creeped out.

It wouldn't work on me 😔 , that's for sure 😛 .

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