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there are a lot of manga's like that and most of the time they get better but there are also many that have main characters who are either physically strong or mentally.

manga like.

Zippy Ziggy
Zetman
One Piece
Yureka
The world god only knows
Jack frost.

many more.
i tried to pick ones that have teens as their main.

those aren't harem manga 🤣

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there are a lot of manga's like that and most of the time they get better but there are also many that have main characters who are either physically strong or mentally.

manga like.

Zippy Ziggy
Zetman
One Piece
Yureka
The world god only knows
Jack frost.

many more.
i tried to pick ones that have teens as their main.

those aren't harem manga 🤣

were we talikng about harems? if we were then my bad. 😀
but The World God Only Knows is a harem.

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Tired of it? Yes.
Is it going to stop? No.

If I don't like it, I don't read it. Simple as.

'tis a shame though I know what you mean. There are so many manga out there with decent enough plots but the main protagonist is just a fail. Yes, you see it so often I know, but complaining about it does nothing because it's probably going to stay like that.
Although, there are some that are straying away from this typical situation, like GE as someone mentioned above.

As for Freezing I'll have to disagree with your interpretation of the main character.

He's actually rather strong, but just hasn't been able to do much about it. The only male who can use Freezing without baptising and can freeze a whole area, not just the people themselves. As for the current raws, he has said something to that asshole Louis, but what I have no idea because it's all in Japanese. I wasn't expecting him to do much...how can you? It's Satellizer's past. He doesn't know anything. I guess this is where we and him learn about what's happened. How can you just expect him to come in and save the day? That's even more corny than the main character being weak XD

Oh no Im not saying he has to save the day cause I know there's no way in hell that he's going to be able to do that while louis has his little slave girl with him. All I'm saying is he should at least beat the shit out of him while Satellizer's fighting off the other girl or get in a hit or something. Now is that to much to ask for? Or he can totally satisfy the readers and just kill him but that's probably not gonna happen. Sorry but this whole slave women beating thing just gets to me. I don't really care to see that happen to women. I'm just getting impatient cause I just want to see that kid die or something so waiting for the raws is just pissing me off.

I hate it with passion and find it hard to relate to.

If anything, I find it easy to relate to the bad-ass hero, like Shinichi Izumi from Parasyte or that guy in Akumetsu.

The fail guy from Love Hina is probably the least sympathetic character I can think of.

i will be mean and state why a lot of mc is "loser" cause people in japan can relate to being a loser. Harsh?
anyways its different if the MC change or is a loser cause of inflicted trauma or obstacles (though they have to face and change) 😀

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It doesn't matter if the loser does change for the better and ends up being SLIGHTLY less of a loser. I couldn't care less about a loser's story if he had to rely on supernatural events or being handed everything on a silver platter just to turn him into a slightly better person. There's nothing to learn and admire about these losers. They are losers and always will be.

I appreciate people who put in their own effort in their everyday lives to achieve their dreams, like the main in Kokou no Hito.

It's probably assumed that only losers dream of a harem type of situation. I personally don't see the appeal of this unrealistic cliche no matter what kind of MC it has. And being female, I am not even interested in reverse harem either.

seriously
who do you ppl think you are lol

you cannot relate to Akumetsu and other criminal elements
its alot easier to relate to Keitaro from Love Hina
His parents are not happy with his school life...so they more or less throw him out
Girls for no apparent reason seems to hate him
he is shy,have no friends that he can trust,poor and average looking

that is not a typical japanese
its a typical human male

Violent criminal kind of characters like akumetsu is someone we wish[we ordinary useless average ppl] could be...someone that fix the world and makes it a better place

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seriously
who do you ppl think you are lol

you cannot relate to Akumetsu and other criminal elements
its alot easier to relate to Keitaro from Love Hina
His parents are not happy with his school life...so they more or less throw him out
Girls for no apparent reason seems to hate him
he is shy,have no friends that he can trust,poor and average looking

that is not a typical japanese
its a typical human male

Violent criminal kind of characters like akumetsu is someone we wish[we ordinary useless average ppl] could be...someone that fix the world and makes it a better place

You just summed up the reasons why I hate main characters like Keitaro. I certainly do not mind if he was a side character who plays no significant role in the plot, I want my main character to be a person to admire, with a dream that's bigger than what we can ever dream of. It doesn't matter if he's good, weird, evil, but he needs to be special, not like some stupid high school boy whose only wish is to make out with that hot girl in his class. That, my friend, is what we call lowlifes.

So other than the guy from Love Hina and the one in Akumetsu, there can't be other types of main characters? Both are unrealistic and not interesting to me. 😐

Ai Kora has a pretty interesting MC. Basically, the guy is in the same situation as Keitaro (from Love Hina), yet approaches it differently. And he definitely isn't useless.

Maburaho and To LOVE-Ru's main protagonist's weren't that bad.

There are allot of Harem manga/anime's that have useless protagonist's but only to an extent, if they we're completely useless there wouldn't be a reason for creating such a character in the first place.

I think Harem's turn out better when the main protagonist isn't perfect, doing all the right stuff all the time that'd make it rather boring to read/watch.
But then again! that's only my opinion, feel free to disagree (I know they're people out there that will)

DAMMIT! I'm getting lost in the moment, I don't think that the main protagonist in a Harem needs to be perfect, but when it comes to Shounen/Seinen I guess it helps that they're atleast the slightest bit useful, that's not always the case though.

You're not alone. We are partners. If you are a witch, Then I'll become a warlock.- Lelouch Lamperouge (Code Geass)

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Maburaho and To LOVE-Ru's main protagonist's weren't that bad.

There are allot of Harem manga/anime's that have useless protagonist's but only to an extent, if they we're completely useless there wouldn't be a reason for creating such a character in the first place.

I think Harem's turn out better when the main protagonist isn't perfect, doing all the right stuff all the time that'd make it rather boring to read/watch.
But then again! that's only my opinion, feel free to disagree (I know they're people out there that will)

DAMMIT! I'm getting lost in the moment, I don't think that the main protagonist in a Harem needs to be perfect, but when it comes to Shounen/Seinen I guess it helps that they're atleast the slightest bit useful, that's not always the case though.

Not bad but still boring as heck.

It would alot more interesting if the harem lead male was like Lelouch or Keima (from The World God Only Knows) Other than those two, all harem male leads are the same to me, too "normal" and uninteresting. And to be honest, I could draw them as ugly fat men and their personality would still fit perfectly.

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Maburaho and To LOVE-Ru's main protagonist's weren't that bad.

There are allot of Harem manga/anime's that have useless protagonist's but only to an extent, if they we're completely useless there wouldn't be a reason for creating such a character in the first place.

I think Harem's turn out better when the main protagonist isn't perfect, doing all the right stuff all the time that'd make it rather boring to read/watch.
But then again! that's only my opinion, feel free to disagree (I know they're people out there that will)

DAMMIT! I'm getting lost in the moment, I don't think that the main protagonist in a Harem needs to be perfect, but when it comes to Shounen/Seinen I guess it helps that they're atleast the slightest bit useful, that's not always the case though.

Not bad but still boring as heck.

It would alot more interesting if the harem lead male was like Lelouch or Keima (from The World God Only Knows) Other than those two, all harem male leads are the same to me, too "normal" and uninteresting. And to be honest, I could draw them as ugly fat men and their personality would still fit perfectly.

Don't you think that's a bit harsh? you think it would be alot more interesting if the harem lead was like Lelouch or Keima, well yeh that's ok, but not all people would think the same way as you. I personally thought that Kazuki and Rito we're perfect for the role they played.
And 'boring as heck' yeh whatever, they we're both great.

You're not alone. We are partners. If you are a witch, Then I'll become a warlock.- Lelouch Lamperouge (Code Geass)

it is very obvious that you [OP and some others] disslike harem
that is fine

i do not like shoujo but i dont start threads explaning how much i hate the tall,moody,gorgeous guys in them or how i hate the completely useless main girl whos only function is to sit on her ass and look at the pretty boy and dream about how it would be if he for some random reason kissed her

just...stay away from harem and other useless protagonist kind of manga
there must be some other type of manga out there that you can pick up

and again
the useless protagonist is relatable just bcoz he is useless
no powers,no money and got lots of other problems
just like regular human beings

you can not relate to
gods,godlike beings,super monsters,vampires,criminals,kings aso in the same way[unless you happen to be one]