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Who thought pokemon was better when there was still only 150 pokemon.

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The Shorty
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14 years ago
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pokemon is better with MORE variety because you'll get bored with the same graphics, at least theres more diversity among the game.


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The original 150 were the best hands down. the next hundred added in silver and gold were acceptable but some of the new ones are just really...really...really.


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Post #459616 - Reply To (#459615) by switchgear
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Quote from switchgear

The original 150 were the best hands down. the next hundred added in silver and gold were acceptable but some of the new ones are just really...really...really.

Could I have an explanation as to why the originals* were 'better'?


Post #459714 - Reply To (#459605) by mattai
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Why do they need to add so many new ones all the time?

Um... because people would complain if they released games with all the same Pokemon in them, never adding more. It's like a racing game adding more cars to it, or a shooter adding more weapons. A new game should be, you know, new. Not the exact same game in a new location.

They could add features/change things about the gameplay more, and add only a few pokemon, while keeping the old ones around though.

That is true, however people would still complain eventually. I remember when the gold and silver remakes were announced - these are games that are widely regarded as the best in the series, but still people complained because it was the same old Pokemon as the originals.

Personally I'd like to see them hack the number of Pokemon down to about 200 and focus on having a good story and different gameplay mechanics for once, but I really don't see that happening. The game works as it is, so it's doubtful that they'll change it up drastically.


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pokemon is better with MORE variety because you'll get bored with the same graphics, at least theres more diversity among the game.

I'd rather get bored with "same graphics" than to puke every time I see a new generation.


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Yeah, it does feel like the original pokemon had more appealing designs. The new eevee evolutions are just frightening. The gameplay's improved though. Now you can be either a girl or boy, and get the running shoes, so I like the new gameplay, but not the pokemon. 😀


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14 years ago
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I liked the 1st and 2nd generation.
I know they were based off of real animals..

but now it just looks like they looked at a dog and said "LET'S JUST DRAW SOME SPIKES ON IT AND IT'LL BE A NEW POKEMON!"


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Quote from ForteAtrox

I liked the 1st and 2nd generation.
I know they were based off of real animals..

but now it just looks like they looked at a dog and said "LET'S JUST DRAW SOME SPIKES ON IT AND IT'LL BE A NEW POKEMON!"

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I'd rather get bored with "same graphics" than to puke every time I see a new generation.

These. I mean, even a chandelier can become a Pokemon now...


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14 years ago
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I'm quite surprised,actually. I personally hate the 5th gen. pokemon, but put it down to it being new. Nice to know I'm not alone.


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14 years ago
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It is inevitable to use new pokemon.

the first Pokemon sold huge amounts, so a sequel had to come.
Then they had a few options: keep the same pokemon but in a new world/story
(which would make it seem like a ripoff, they have put no effort in)
Get new pokemon in the same world/story
(would seem even easier than the first option)
Get new pokemon in a new world/story
(best option to use if you don't want to be degraded to a lazy developer without...)
Throwing the gameplay away, giving us gems like pokemon snap and stuff >_<

(have to admit I don't know the 4th and 5th generation of pokemon)
(wooper is awesome)


Post #466119 - Reply To (#466118) by Myuym
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It is inevitable to use new pokemon.

the first Pokemon sold huge amounts, so a sequel had to come.
Then they had a few options: keep the same pokemon but in a new world/story (which would make it seem like a ripoff, they have put no effort in) Get new pokemon in the same world/story (would seem even easier than the first option) Get new pokemon in a new world/story (best option to use if you don't want to be degraded to a lazy developer without...) Throwing the gameplay away, giving us gems like pokemon snap and stuff >_<

(have to admit I don't know the 4th and 5th generation of pokemon)
(wooper is awesome)

No, they had another option:

Expand upon the gameplay, as it is incredibly shallow. They've done that in small increments throughout five generations, but they could have easily moved towards a system where you actually take control of the pokemon in a real time battle similar to Custom Robo, with various environments and the like. The original gameboy couldn't have handled it, but the N64 sure could have, as well as the DS. Then throw in a new story that isn't an exact copy of the previous (in fact, a real story would be nice,) and a couple new pokemon, and you have yourself a game that's actually better than the previous ones.


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I mean, even a chandelier can become a Pokemon now...

It's actually a good pokemon. High special attack and all.


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I haven't read the entire thread, but from what I have read, the general consensus seems to be that nobody likes the new games.

Takes off nostalgia goggles.

I personally love the new games. There are a lot of great Pokemon that just rock. I actually don't understand why people continue to point to the older generations. I mean...Ekans was LITERALLY a poisonous snake...and then we had Golem, a rock with arms and a head...

Maybe they could have made a fire-breathing snake. How about that? It would be awesome. But no, they had to stick with Poison. Pretty original, right? Well...maybe not so much.

Personally, I love Chandelure, the ghost chandelier. I could care less if it's based off an inanimate object. I'd rather them try to make something unexpected into a Pokemon than to continue making things as unoriginal and useless as Ekans.

I get that they tried to (more or less) base them off of animals, and I get that it was the first game. However, people never seem to realize that there's crap in every Gen, and there's awesome stuff in every Gen. Not to mention the countless improvements to gameplay they've made since then.

Try explaining to me that every single Pokemon from Gen I was better than anything from Gen V, and I'll probably just laugh and walk away.

I've been playing since the originals...and I can say that Pokemon White is more than likely my favorite Pokemon game. Ever.

But hey, different strokes for different folks.


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You are wrong, at least for me, one thing I disliked about some games was that half of the pokemon were old pokemon (I don't need a pikachu/pidgy in every game) and I thought that Black/white finally only used the new generation. So that is a big plus. The problem is that in the basics of any fight, tactics is never mentioned, it is almost always spam your strongest attack, if strongest attack is not very effective use your second strongest attack, etc.
If they would use more different attacks it might become more tactical. (and better)

And I looked up the chandeliere pokemon and it's awesome, why would anyone whine about that one?
(In fact i looked up all gen V pokermon and the worst is Oshawott and his second evolution, the rest is all good (some better then others though))


Post #466140 - Reply To (#466135) by Myuym
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The problem is that in the basics of any fight, tactics is never mentioned, it is almost always spam your strongest attack, if strongest attack is not very effective use your second strongest attack, etc.

Not in competitive pokemon battling.


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