(my rant ) I for one am a firm supporter of shoujo ai/yuri BUT I fervently agree, as far as Yaoi is concerned, theres simply too many! Take for example, Gintama dj, I mean, please tell me, why are there uncountable yaoi doujins scanned for pure shonens like Gintama, Bleach and Naruto if (I know this is being very very sexist) most readers are straight guys? Incidentally, is there anything such as Yaoi fanboy?? o.O

Also, I agree, so many scanlators working on teh same project like Naruto and the like is a bit much. I wouldnt say this werent there some remarkably lovely seinen/shounen that are waiting to be picked and even more were discontinued by now-inactive groups which have left the project in a cliff hanger. 🤣

Lastly, I still appreciate the work any and all scanlation team does as the payback is nothing compared to the work they did, so a huge THANKS to all of them. And Kudos!! guys...I grateful in any way you work, though a little less of yaoi exposure in the release logs keeps my cholesterol level down 😀
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Seriously, what's with all of the shonen-based doujinshi?

OMG. Should I like be complaining about the abundance of hentai and ecchi manga, while not including the amount of poor portrayl of female protagonists in shounen/seinen manga?[/saracsm]

No. I tolerate it like everyone else should. They are simply just different ways of catering to the various demographics. Even though the manga world is so male dominated, it must really be a terrible thing to have manga aimed at females and gay men. 🙄

(Perhaps there should be 'The Archaic Perversion of Manga?' 😛

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You definitely haven't read this whole thread, or even the first page.
Nice jumping to conclusions.

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Long story short, if you want to do something about it, how about buying the mangas yourself. You know remember the basics of supply and demand right? If the figures go up, then they producers will make more.

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Here is my two cents. I think it's weird how some mangas can get weekly releases an then others take a month. I'm not talking about scans that are right behind the manga, I'm talking about those who are like three or more volumes behind. I know it's there own prerogative when something gets released, but there are series that are like 20 pages a chapter and it takes a month to release?

Also concerning the multiple scanlators on one manga, I can see one or two groups doing it (if one gives up on it there back up), but when it becomes like 4 groups I think that's a tad excessive.

Basically there's nothing you can do about this "problem". Ignore it yourself and read only the good stuff/what you want to read. Filter releases. That's what those tools are there for. As for multiple scanlation groups on one series, scanlation groups should get to do whatever they want. Just follow your favorite group and ignore the rest.

There are many genres to target different audiences. I personally don't like yaoi/shounen-ai, hentai, etc. But some people do and really like it. They should be able to read manga that they like too.

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Take for example, Gintama dj, I mean, please tell me, why are there uncountable yaoi doujins scanned for pure shonens like Gintama, Bleach and Naruto if (I know this is being very very sexist) most readers are straight guys?

And that is where you're wrong XD
Consider the cast of Bleach. Mostly made up of gorgeous guys, and that's what attracts the girls (I would know) 😛

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It's true that a lot of the material being output is redundant- that much is undeniable, and honestly I dislike it as much as most of the posters in this thread seem to. The reasons for it are fairly simple though, and they simply aren't things that are likely to change any time in the remotely near future.

Before I post any further, I'll note that I have not read every single post in this thread (most of it seems to be the same rants repeated over and over again) so please excuse me if I repeat what others have said a little.

1- The main reason, and I'm certain that at least one other person has mentioned this, is that scanlating is a volunteer service. There are no obligations to continue, and it's done (primarily) for recognition and personal enjoyment. The recognition factor is the main thing coming into play here- ultra-popular series like Naruto, Bleach, etc. are going to attract a large audience even if you are just another out of the 20-odd scanlators already releasing. As a result, we end up with many groups competing with one another for attention, and all of them being recognized on a level they wouldn't likely receive if they were working on something less popular. There's basically just a larger incentive. Since I don't read yaoi and don't really know the community, I cannot say for certain, but I assume it's basically the same thing- there's a legion of supporting fangirls who would read basically anything you put out.

2- Also relating to the scanlators is their personal taste. It would be exceedingly odd if the ratio of scanlators for certain genres weren't related to the general interest level- I can only imagine that more people are willing to translate the same shounen, yaoi, shounen-ai or whatever is popular at the moment simply because there are more people interested in it, and because of that there are naturally going to be more scanlators that enjoy that type of material as well.

There are naturally other factors as well, but as I see it those are the two main ones- its not like anyone is doing this in order to annoy some small group of people or something crazy like that (conspiracy!), it's just that those are where the interests primarily lay.

As to the amount of time releases take, that depends wholly on the scanlator. It's entirely possible that the people interested in certain genres may be more busy or have some external influence, or just that some groups are less dedicated. You can't honestly expect all groups to work at exactly the same rate- once again, it's a volunteer service. They do it for free as a way to waste time, there are no obligations, some other group can always start working on it if they wanted to.

Lastly, I feel like I should say that complaining is probably the worst thing you can do in this situation. It causes people to become defensive and annoyed, rather than honestly listen, with a volunteer service, that's more likely to cause halts of progress than increase productivity. Generally speaking, there's not much that can be done other than taking matters into your own hands and trying to work on some things yourself, if you don't have the interest or drive to do so, then it clearly doesn't really matter enough to you to try to change things anyway. Ultimately, it's just a hobby.

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Take for example, Gintama dj, I mean, please tell me, why are there uncountable yaoi doujins scanned for pure shonens like Gintama, Bleach and Naruto if (I know this is being very very sexist) most readers are straight guys?

And that is where you're wrong XD
Consider the cast of Bleach. Mostly made up of gorgeous guys, and that's what attracts the girls (I would know) 😛

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised at the yaoi doujins for shonen shows. Naruto openly invites it with all the subtext between Naruto and Sasuke (you can try and deny it, but really it's impossible to ignore). The big shonen shows are big because they try and make appeals to female readers as well as the male readers, with appealing character designs and what not. That said, even if there are an obscene amount of yaoi doujins, it's not like there is a shortage of straight hentai doujins either. (yuri doujin fans like myself are the only ones getting pretty much screwed).

As for the actual topic, yeah, it sucks that the scanlators are people with specific preferences. But they are, and you can't do much about it unless you want to start a scan group yourself, and that far too much trouble for most people. Yaoi seems to be a safe bet right now; the yaoi groups know the rabid yaoi fangirls will download their releases. Bleach/Naruto/whatever is also a sure bet; the stuff is popular to the point where it will be downloaded. All the scanlators want is recognition. They'd rather do the same thing as everyone else if that thing is popular than take a chance on something that might not be as popular.

Here's hoping scanlators cut back on the yaoi and scanning of the same series as everybody else, find some sense and realize the demand for some potentially great manga being passed up out there. If they don't though, complaining is fairly useless; it's important to remember the scanlators are doing this much of the time for free. As long as it's like that they'll be doing what they want.

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Take for example, Gintama dj, I mean, please tell me, why are there uncountable yaoi doujins scanned for pure shonens like Gintama, Bleach and Naruto if (I know this is being very very sexist) most readers are straight guys?

And that is where you're wrong XD
Consider the cast of Bleach. Mostly made up of gorgeous guys, and that's what attracts the girls (I would know) 😛

lolz, true, I dont think there are many yaoi doujins for Dragon Ball Z ...You gave me a great idea for carrying a consensus.. ...I guess I will put up a poll just for fun 😀 ...

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i think your focusing to much on the scanulating aspect of all this. this problem which you call "The systematic gayening of manga" has nothing to do with scanulating groups but more so the trend market. I mean the authors of these series are people you know they have make shit that'll be bought and the best way to do that is to follow certain stereotypes. Making everything seem like the same gay shit every time. also more girls have started reading manga so corporations are trying to bring even more females into the manga world by catering to them therefore the influx of shoujo, shounen ai, and yoai.

but what i really hate is how all the good manga have been discontinued (like testhotoro i blame the the horrible beginning to it but it was still one of the best manga i've ever read) or have very low number of releases. i mean i'm sure we can all use more berserk claymore and gantz.

but i have to disagree with cren because scanulating popular manga isnt the only way to become big like you can pick up series that the public wants scanulated. like pew pew did. they seemed to have picked up happy world and have a ton of chapters out for it.

now i just wish i could read those chapters

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Take for example, Gintama dj, I mean, please tell me, why are there uncountable yaoi doujins scanned for pure shonens like Gintama, Bleach and Naruto if (I know this is being very very sexist) most readers are straight guys?

And that is where you're wrong XD
Consider the cast of Bleach. Mostly made up of gorgeous guys, and that's what attracts the girls (I would know) 😛

lolz, true, I dont think there are many yaoi doujins for Dragon Ball Z ...You gave me a great idea for carrying a consensus.. ...I guess I will put up a poll just for fun 😀 ...

On the Gintama thing, it funny, there is more yaoi doujins scanned then there are actual chapters. That, I think, is stupid.

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[quote=BimboSilly]Take for example, Gintama dj, I mean, please tell me, why are there uncountable yaoi doujins scanned for pure shonens like Gintama, Bleach and Naruto if (I know this is being very very sexist) most readers are straight guys?

And that is where you're wrong XD
Consider the cast of Bleach. Mostly made up of gorgeous guys, and that's what attracts the girls (I would know) 😛

lolz, true, I dont think there are many yaoi doujins for Dragon Ball Z ...You gave me a great idea for carrying a consensus.. ...I guess I will put up a poll just for fun 😀 ...

On the Gintama thing, it funny, there is more yaoi doujins scanned then there are actual chapters. That, I think, is stupid.[/quote]
That's the crux of my whole argument.

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but what i really hate is how all the good manga have been discontinued (like testhotoro i blame the the horrible beginning to it but it was still one of the best manga i've ever read) or have very low number of releases. i mean i'm sure we can all use more berserk claymore and gantz.

but i have to disagree with cren because scanulating popular manga isnt the only way to become big like you can pick up series that the public wants scanulated. like pew pew did. they seemed to have picked up happy world and have a ton of chapters out for it.

Happy World still has a somewhat niche audience that evidently is smaller than the audience for big shounen epics (otherwise it would already have been scanlated)- I'm not saying it's a prerequisite for becoming popular or anything, but you're essentially guaranteed a large sized readership that way, which gives greater recognition with greater ease.

Berserk, Claymore, and Gantz are entirely dependent on the authors who seem satisfied with their serialization, there's really not much to complain about because forcing them to work faster could ultimately decrease the quality of their work. Things take time.

I have to disagree on the trend in the market- although there is a ton of manga out there that is effectively the same material, there actually are plenty of unique stories out there, they just aren't being scanlated or even looked at due to a lack of interest and information- which I think is one of the main problems we're experiencing.

As to the yaoi dojinshi thing, excuse me if I'm wrong, but isn't it entirely possible that there are many more doujinshi than the actual chapters of the manga in general, rather than just being scanlated? If so, I still wouldn't like it, but the quantities would at least make sense.

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