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but what i really hate is how all the good manga have been discontinued (like testhotoro i blame the the horrible beginning to it but it was still one of the best manga i've ever read) or have very low number of releases. i mean i'm sure we can all use more berserk claymore and gantz.

but i have to disagree with cren because scanulating popular manga isnt the only way to become big like you can pick up series that the public wants scanulated. like pew pew did. they seemed to have picked up happy world and have a ton of chapters out for it.

Happy World still has a somewhat niche audience that evidently is smaller than the audience for big shounen epics (otherwise it would already have been scanlated)- I'm not saying it's a prerequisite for becoming popular or anything, but you're essentially guaranteed a large sized readership that way, which gives greater recognition with greater ease.

Berserk, Claymore, and Gantz are entirely dependent on the authors who seem satisfied with their serialization, there's really not much to complain about because forcing them to work faster could ultimately decrease the quality of their work. Things take time.

I have to disagree on the trend in the market- although there is a ton of manga out there that is effectively the same material, there actually are plenty of unique stories out there, they just aren't being scanlated or even looked at due to a lack of interest and information- which I think is one of the main problems we're experiencing.

More Naruto doujinshi than chapters? Possible, but unlikely. The trends I'm talking about don't really reflect Japan's markets though, that only extends to the English speaking audience, which is why it's mind boggling. We have just as much activity in these yaoi releases than we do in the "normal" ones, and I don't see how this isn't seen as a problem, it's not proportionate. I do concede that it's a free service and the translators can do whatever they want, but I guess all I can say to that is that I'm entitled to my own opinion.

Anyway, what's the point of getting recognized for doing the same thing as everyone else, where's the fun in that? I would much rather be known for discovering the next big thing instead of carbon copying everyone else.

I actually don't disagree with you, but you have to remember it's harder to build up a fanbase for something new. With something already in place and popular, it's already there. If you're just doing it for the glory, why work harder than you have to? Obviously, that's entirely dependent upon the personality and views of the scanlators, but with the current situation, I can't think of a better explanation.

Again, it's not as though I particularly enjoy the situation, but like it or not we're in the minority. It seems clear that a larger number of people would rather read Naruto or whatever yaoi thing is popular at the moment than gems like Historie. As a result, more of the norm is going to be scanlated, if we want more of the stuff we like worked on, we'll have to find a way to do it ourselves, or just leave everything alone. Our opinions really don't matter in the slightest, it's just that sort of system shrug.

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I actually don't disagree with you, but you have to remember it's harder to build up a fanbase for something new. With something already in place and popular, it's already there. If you're just doing it for the glory, why work harder than you have to? Obviously, that's entirely dependent upon the personality and views of the scanlators, but with the current situation, I can't think of a better explanation.

Again, it's not as though I particularly enjoy the situation, but like it or not we're in the minority. It seems clear that a larger number of people would rather read Naruto or whatever yaoi thing is popular at the moment than gems like Historie. As a result, more of the norm is going to be scanlated, if we want more of the stuff we like worked on, we'll have to find a way to do it ourselves, or just leave everything alone. Our opinions really don't matter in the slightest, it's just that sort of system shrug.

yeah but in the case of historie it the author seems to be releasing 1 vol per year . but i have to agree with you on how its easier to build up on a fanbase with something popular. and about how scanulating teams lack real info on the manga till they start translating. but that doesnt change the fact more and more cliched manga are coming out.

P.S. what ever happened to KO sen

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Historie was just an example of a unique manga- the point wasn't the rate it's released at but the fact that other unique manga is rarely scanlated at all. If you want something that isn't scanlated at a decent rate, I could just as easily say Hatsukanezumi no Jikan or some other such piece.

KO sen is only two volumes long, I'm sure someone will do the last couple chapters eventually. It's a good example of something that evidently doesn't drum up enough popularity to be a priority though.

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Hatsukanezumi no Jikan... I forgot all about that one. Pretty good series, I wish someone would finish it.

Scanlators don't have full access to all the manga titles floating around Japan. I mean, they can't scanlate a title if they don't know about it, right? So if you know of something that's good, pimp out the title to as many groups as you think might be interested in working on it! Donate scans if you can. Having scans is often what gets groups going on working on a title. You'll notice that series often get dropped when the scans run out. Which is probably why all those ultra-popular series like Naruto, etc. have so many groups working on them, because if a title is ultra popular, it's easier to get ahold of scans for it floating around on the internet. Unless the scanlators have enough disposable income to be buying every book they scan while also maintaining server costs, etc. for their websites, a lot of them are going to stick with easy-access series like Naruto.

I would say that this is probably why we're seeing such a boom in the scanlation of adult-themed titles like yaoi and hentai since the people working in those groups are adults, have the money to buy the books they scanlate, etc.

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so what we should be saying is translate BETTER manga more ORIGINAL manga, more CLEVER manga......for both straight and gay audiences, more diversity and less of the 8different scan groups translating the same bullshit......

more Vagabond, less Naruto.......feel me?

This is a statement I can agree with 100%.

Now, the real problem is: can we get audiences to appreciate those better, more original, more clever manga? As others have pointed out, crappy manga (just like crappy movies, books, music, etc.) has a following. Give the people quality, and will they appreciate it, or will they demand scanlators go back to working on simpler, more disposable works?

Now I have (finally) read all the posts, why did I even bother?

I think everybody have the right to have their own opinion and I understand that it can be annoying for the not yaoi manga readers that there is so much yaoi manga being scanlating. But I think it’s wrong to say that it’s always the same crap/plot even if it’s true for the most part o.O But it’s the same with all the other genres as well, their plot are also similar to each other. But some of the mangas do have a unique plot and are really good. So even if you have to read a bunch of crap to discover them it’s worth it!

Ok, what I want to say is that the yaoi genre is like all the others; there is good mangas and there is bad mangas. They are not all the same! The only different between them and other types of manga is that they focus on a romantic relationship between two guys. Other than that some of them are like any other manga. So don’t make assumption about it based on the prejudges you have against the genre.

But it understandable to be envious of the yaoi fans that get to read a lot of mangas because of the big selection. 😀

If you don't like the current state of events, dont rant/complain and tell the groups what to do. Scanlation groups have free will of what they want to scanslate (taking away the whole "morality" thing with hijacking projects etc.) If you want the other series to get done, then go form a team, and you work on them.

And also...this thread is somewhat breaking the forum rule (No "is this scanlated yet?" questions)

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If you don't like the current state of events, dont rant/complain and tell the groups what to do. Scanlation groups have free will of what they want to scanslate (taking away the whole "morality" thing with hijacking projects etc.) If you want the other series to get done, then go form a team, and you work on them.

And also...this thread is somewhat breaking the forum rule (No "is this scanlated yet?" questions)

How is this a scanslation request? You'd have to be a dick to delete this thread based on that rule. Just as they scanslate of their own free will, I have the freedom to rant and complain, whether anyone wants to read it or not.

Zeffy: So... it's wrong to speak the truth? If it's true for the most part, isn't my statement completely true? Because that's what I said. And I said it for ALL genres, others have said for all genres, and have even cleared up things I have said, you definitely didn't read all of the posts if you still think that. Please read again, I clear it up a page or 2 ago in all caps.

Well...it's kinda the preference of the scanlation group. if they don't like seinen/shounen stuff they're defintely not going to translate it. plus shoujo and yaoi are becoming more popular genres...i'm a mod at mangafox.com and shounen used to be very popular. i mean come one don't insult yaoi manga (i used to hate it too), it's like insulting yuri manga (which is starting to become popular too o.O). personally i like yaoi manga...and Naruto (why do people keep insulting it...come on it's not that bad! just read it!)...but i do pick up a seinen manga once in a while. i think most of the population reads shoujo-ish stuff compared to seinen...i mean guys read shoujo too 😮

Anyway i don't think you should insult a genre, scanlation group, or series...it takes time and effort to scanlate so appreciate the ones available.

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There really could have been a much better title for this thread, this one gives a misleading description.

The point isn't to bash yaoi manga or something like that- the rant was more about the same genres and types being scanlated and there not being enough "unique stories" scanlated. It's true that something along the lines of excessive scanlation of yaoi material has been mentioned, but so has shounen, shoujo, etc. The title lends more to speaking about yaoi though, which I honestly don't know enough about to determine whether the majority of the stuff being translated is the same or not.

As I've said earlier, it really comes down to interest on both sides of the spectrum. That ultimately determines what gets worked on, anway.

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I don't particularly like yuri manga, but that's besides the point, I'm not insulting anything. I just think there's a serious misuse of the scanslator's resources when they scanslate these shitty series. Aalbeit, I've never read a yaoi series, I've read descriptions and they all appear similar, if not exactly the same, much like in every other genre. Which is the point, there's a continuous rescanslation of the same 3 series, there's not much variety, not for me, not for anyone.

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I've never read a yaoi series, I've read descriptions and they all appear similar, if not exactly the same, much like in every other genre.

Then you need to shut up if you please. if you are going to bash something as being the same at least have the good grace to read the crap you are bashing!

When did I ever bash it? You usually use descriptions in your decision of whether or not you pick something up...

People want yaoi, they get yaoi. Face it, I am pretty sure that there is a larger female ratio reading manga. And girls like Yaoi, not me but I know tons who like it. So WHY NOT!? They are the ones scanlating it, and it really isn't that bad. And I would like to point out that your words are bordering on homophobia. Get over it. You don't see anyone complaning about the horde of hentai on the net.

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