Some of you better watch your language and namecalling (I'm looking particularly at you, exzapel)
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The systematic gayening of manga.
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I've said what I have to say, anyone who says any different will have to feel how they feel, I won't be replying again.
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Quote from exzapel
How is this a scanslation request?
I did say "somewhat" because saying stuff like "so and so should get scanslated" sounds like a request.
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Quote from exzapel
I've said what I have to say, anyone who says any different will have to feel how they feel, I won't be replying again.
i get what your saying, and this thread is getting completely away from what you started with.
everything that can be said has been. manga is a very diverse comic form. american comics pretty much only go from archie to superheroes to the occasional indy. many people aren't gonna like and by relation scanslate the same things(not many groups translate gender benders, one of my favorites) but thats just the way it is.
on a note- some of the series mentioned (berserk, gantz) are translated often because of how often they are published in japan(often monthly/bi-weekly not weekly like naruto/etc)
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10:49 pm, Jul 22 2008
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Quote from brid
Scanlators don't have full access to all the manga titles floating around Japan. I mean, they can't scanlate a title if they don't know about it, right? So if you know of something that's good, pimp out the title to as many groups as you think might be interested in working on it! Donate scans if you can. Having scans is often what gets groups going on working on a title. You'll notice that series often get dropped when the scans run out. Which is probably why all those ultra-popular series like Naruto, etc. have so many groups working on them, because if a title is ultra popular, it's easier to get ahold of scans for it floating around on the internet. Unless the scanlators have enough disposable income to be buying every book they scan while also maintaining server costs, etc. for their websites, a lot of them are going to stick with easy-access series like Naruto.
I would say that this is probably why we're seeing such a boom in the scanlation of adult-themed titles like yaoi and hentai since the people working in those groups are adults, have the money to buy the books they scanlate, etc.
This is a statement I can agree with 100%.
Now, the real problem is: can we get audiences to appreciate those better, more original, more clever manga? As others have pointed out, crappy manga (just like crappy movies, books, music, etc.) has a following. Give the people quality, and will they appreciate it, or will they demand scanlators go back to working on simpler, more disposable works?
I would say that this is probably why we're seeing such a boom in the scanlation of adult-themed titles like yaoi and hentai since the people working in those groups are adults, have the money to buy the books they scanlate, etc.
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so what we should be saying is translate BETTER manga more ORIGINAL manga, more CLEVER manga......for both straight and gay audiences, more diversity and less of the 8different scan groups translating the same bullshit......
more Vagabond, less Naruto.......feel me?
more Vagabond, less Naruto.......feel me?
This is a statement I can agree with 100%.
Now, the real problem is: can we get audiences to appreciate those better, more original, more clever manga? As others have pointed out, crappy manga (just like crappy movies, books, music, etc.) has a following. Give the people quality, and will they appreciate it, or will they demand scanlators go back to working on simpler, more disposable works?
yeah....same thing i was thinking, but at the end of the day, we have recognize our place, we aren't the ones going through all the trouble to scan or translate or clean the mangas that we download.....we're simply reading/enjoying the mangas, so i dont think we should overstep our place, i'd rather download from a shallow pool of good manga, then not be able to download at all?.....but for those scanalating groups that are listening, there really is no point in have mutliple scanalation groups working on the same project, even if you dont translate naruto, you know someone else will......i dont know if i'm overstepping my place right now but, c'mon just do something no one else is doing, it wont hurt, and you may even like it
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im poor so i cant even afford to buy yaoi....i can only read the scans online....
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12:42 am, Nov 14 2010
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The thing is, scanlators do what they do because they're passionate about manga and about sharing more titles from the genres they love with other manga fans who are into the same kind of stuff.
A yaoi scanlation group that stops scanlating yaoi isn't going to magically start scanlating some obscure shounen manga you'd like to see scanlated. If a yaoi scanlation group stops scanlating yaoi... Well, they're likely to just close down their doors. They're scanlating what they're scanlating because it's what THEY are passionate about. I don't think anyone's scanlating yaoi and thinking, "I could scanlate shounen, but... Nah, I'll do some yaoi, instead. People like that stuff."
Basically, a high volume of yaoi releases isn't hurting the releases of other genres. Blaming yaoi scanlators for the lack of quality shounen releases is like blaming Viz for the crap Tokyopop is releasing. It just doesn't make sense.
Now the argument about 6 groups all scanning the same manga is a valid one. There's simply no point to that - and there are better shounen titles they could be working on, as opposed to working on one other people are already doing.
Anyway, the problem isn't an over-abundance of yaoi scanlators. The problem is a lack of quality shounen scanlators who aren't of the "I wanna scanlate Naruto toooooo lol!" mindset.
A yaoi scanlation group that stops scanlating yaoi isn't going to magically start scanlating some obscure shounen manga you'd like to see scanlated. If a yaoi scanlation group stops scanlating yaoi... Well, they're likely to just close down their doors. They're scanlating what they're scanlating because it's what THEY are passionate about. I don't think anyone's scanlating yaoi and thinking, "I could scanlate shounen, but... Nah, I'll do some yaoi, instead. People like that stuff."
Basically, a high volume of yaoi releases isn't hurting the releases of other genres. Blaming yaoi scanlators for the lack of quality shounen releases is like blaming Viz for the crap Tokyopop is releasing. It just doesn't make sense.
Now the argument about 6 groups all scanning the same manga is a valid one. There's simply no point to that - and there are better shounen titles they could be working on, as opposed to working on one other people are already doing.
Anyway, the problem isn't an over-abundance of yaoi scanlators. The problem is a lack of quality shounen scanlators who aren't of the "I wanna scanlate Naruto toooooo lol!" mindset.
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12:46 am, Nov 14 2010
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In my opinion there's way more shoujo than yaoi,it's easy to filter out the yaoi but trying to filter out the shoujo it may take a while. it seems like your saying even series that aren't yaoi but are questionable like naruto(naruto/sasuke)shouldn't be done as much i think the reason yaoi is done more is because it's a favorite,and the series are usually shorter it's not often you see a really long yaoi series.but shounen and shoujo tend to be long.with lots of volumes and it seems like mostly only the really popular series are done sometimes over done by multiple groups and some i'm reading now that isn't,is collecting dust while i wait for it to be scanslated are just hope it'll be picked up again. 
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Is this really all that shocking? Look at the main protagonists for most JRPGs for the past decade+.
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10:28 pm, Nov 15 2010
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This may have already been said (didn't read the whole thread) but yaoi isn't "gay," whether you meant that in the sense that it is about real gay relationships, written for gays, or 'gay' because you don't like it. It depicts idealized or fantasized relationships between men who may be gay but are at least as often described as bisexual or straight, and the target audience is straight women. Also, if you are using "gayening' as a derisive term to describe a trend you don't like, that is highly not cool.
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12:21 am, Nov 17 2010
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Quote from scarletrhodelia
This may have already been said (didn't read the whole thread) but yaoi isn't "gay," whether you meant that in the sense that it is about real gay relationships, written for gays, or 'gay' because you don't like it. It depicts idealized or fantasized relationships between men who may be gay but are at least as often described as bisexual or straight, and the target audience is straight women. Also, if you are using "gayening' as a derisive term to describe a trend you don't like, that is highly not cool.
I'm the biggest yaoi fan.yaoi is definitely gay be the characters are in denial of that fact.and some of them are,a lot of it is idealized and fantasized because yaoi,is really more so targeted for female readers so it's kind of like reverse shoujo i think.
