Good and Evil
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you know if you think about it everyone is evil cause the human race is developing cures and ways to make humans live longer and the weak live to which in human eyes looks like a "good" thing but accutuallly its bringing the human race to its destruction if the weak survive the kids of the weak will be weak to but if the strong(best addapt) survive the human race will get stronger and survive. but our ethics prevent this from happening which if looking at the survival of the humans makes our way of living and our society "evil"
personally i like to be evil this way 😛
Defying natural selection is truly evil, but I doubt it will lead to humanity's destruction. Even if humans get very weak, as long as they can still pull a trigger, they're superior to the rest of this planet's inhabitants. Except dolphins perhaps ( they're among the most intelligent animals and who knows which invasion armies they're gathering in the depths of the ocean).
pull a trigger? YEAH that will truly help against viruses and what not.
never heard of injection pistols?
17 years ago
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Well like I said People with power make the rules, knowledge is power, If tomorrow Stephen Hawking's somehow probed that 2+2 can somehow be 5 (after a very complex formula) you will have to believe he is right (eventually), or until someone managed to probe him wrong
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume English isn't your first language. Regardless, you're still wrong. If Stephen Hawking were to somehow prove that 2+2=5, he would have to do so using either logic based on the existing axioms that mathematics are grounded in, or prove that one of these basic assumptions is false. He would have to support his theory based on empirical logic and evidence; it's not as if he could proclaim upon his own authority as Stephen Hawking that 2+2=5, or anything else for that matter. Stephen Hawking can't change facts, regardless of how much weight his venerable opinion may carry.
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Is the same with the average person, if MOST/ALL People think killing another person without a reason is OK as long as they have fun, then that would make it right.
No. No it wouldn't. It might make it acceptable, trendy, etc, but it wouldn't make it right. How many people believe something is has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not it truly is. None.
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God is Almighty, so he made the first rules that mankind decided to follow (Regardless of religion "god" made rules for them to follow), the consequences of breaking said rules were mainly social (a mob going after a thief) but besides social consequences, there are religious consequences (GOING TO HELL)
In a world of people that think marring 5 wives is ok (and that is also OK in the Eyes of god), then without matter what you believe, that would be right.
In a world of crazy people that believe the world to be flat 🙄 (and "God" also says the same thing) if you dare to say the world is round, that would mean you are wrong and they are right, and they surely will start to call you crazy and insane 😲 , so in order to stop them from calling you that, you would have to somehow probe them you are right and they are wrong 🙂
I don't have any particular opinion on polygamy, but religious beliefs don't determine what's right or wrong either. There are plenty of practices that have been sanctioned by some religion or religious authority at some point, such as human sacrifice, genocide/ethnic cleansing, "honor" killings, stoning women to death for adultery, etc, that are unmistakably evil.
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Like I said, there are different types of power, I don't mean the guy with the biggest gun, but the power needed to control/guide the mind of others to a sole believe, just look at Bush and co, they managed to move a group of sheep's and made them believe a war with Iraq would harm the terrorist in some sort of way, and for a while they were right (in the eyes of idiots at least) 😲
But by your own logic, you should have absolutely no problem with any of that. If, as you say, what's morally right or factually correct can indeed by decided by majority vote, then the sheep and idiots you speak of are in fact, right, in every sense of the word. You should be trying to learn from them.
Or you could admit that regardless of what any number of people believed or consented to as a result of fear, ignorance, anger, or stupidity, they were, in fact, wrong, both empirically and morally.
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Here's something I came across a few years back, in which it never fails to amuse me.
"Evil makes you think. Thinking makes you wise. Being wise is good. Therefore, evil is good."
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i just thought of something else if you try to create the ultimate "good"place you would have to get rid of the "evil"so the only non-fictional way to do that would be kill all "evil" people and to kill would make the killer "evil"even if he would think its for the greater good (-the goal jutifies the means- was that right?) and he would have to be killed and so on so creating a cycle which leads to one remaining "evil" person right?
hope it makes sense when i thought of it, it did
I see two other options:
- the evil killer of all evil people commits suicide
- wait till the evil killer of all evil people dies of old age, an accident or an ''accident''
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Here's something I came across a few years back, in which it never fails to amuse me.
"Evil makes you think. Thinking makes you wise. Being wise is good. Therefore, evil is good."
This is deceptive. If you say ''Being wise is good'' you use ''good'' in the meaning of advantegeous, not the moral meaning.
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Well like I said People with power make the rules, knowledge is power, If tomorrow Stephen Hawking's somehow probed that 2+2 can somehow be 5 (after a very complex formula) you will have to believe he is right (eventually), or until someone managed to probe him wrong
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume English isn't your first language. Regardless, you're still wrong. If Stephen Hawking were to somehow prove that 2+2=5, he would have to do so using either logic based on the existing axioms that mathematics are grounded in, or prove that one of these basic assumptions is false. He would have to support his theory based on empirical logic and evidence; it's not as if he could proclaim upon his own authority as Stephen Hawking that 2+2=5, or anything else for that matter. Stephen Hawking can't change facts, regardless of how much weight his venerable opinion may carry.
You don't understand... That was just an example, and don't start to talk about facts, no one in this thread said that.
TRUTH and FACTS can be different regardless of what you think, common belief is considered to be true, and that is what I want you all to understand, people used to believe the earth was flat, that was the common belief and so it was the truth, yet we all know as a fact that the earth, the moon, the sun and pretty much everything out there is round.
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Is the same with the average person, if MOST/ALL People think killing another person without a reason is OK as long as they have fun, then that would make it right.
No. No it wouldn't. It might make it acceptable, trendy, etc, but it wouldn't make it right. How many people believe something is has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not it truly is. None.
As long as the trend never changes, it will keep being right
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God is Almighty, so he made the first rules that mankind decided to follow (Regardless of religion "god" made rules for them to follow), the consequences of breaking said rules were mainly social (a mob going after a thief) but besides social consequences, there are religious consequences (GOING TO HELL)
In a world of people that think marring 5 wives is ok (and that is also OK in the Eyes of god), then without matter what you believe, that would be right.
In a world of crazy people that believe the world to be flat 🙄 (and "God" also says the same thing) if you dare to say the world is round, that would mean you are wrong and they are right, and they surely will start to call you crazy and insane 😲 , so in order to stop them from calling you that, you would have to somehow probe them you are right and they are wrong 🙂
I don't have any particular opinion on polygamy, but religious beliefs don't determine what's right or wrong either. There are plenty of practices that have been sanctioned by some religion or religious authority at some point, such as human sacrifice, genocide/ethnic cleansing, "honor" killings, stoning women to death for adultery, etc, that are unmistakably evil.
Yes, they do, remember for a lot of years, it was right or better say it was an HONOR to be a sacrifice, it was a holy duty to cleanse the world of heresy, it was the duty of all man to keep their honor over their life, and don't get me started with Rock's that Roll over women
NOW we consider all those things as stupid and evil, but in their time it was right to do any of them.
Example:
At this moment of time is OK to fart (in certain places is no longer OK), but in the future the act of farting may get you jail time, or dead penalty, however for the time being is still OK.
Another less ridiculous example:
Now is ok to talk about anything we want (not in most countries) but we have the liberty of speech, so that gives us the right to talk, and so is not wrong to do so, but in the near future that liberty will be gone and it won’t be right to talk about anything hazardous anymore.
Get the point? I guess not
PS: English is the Third one >_>
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Like I said, there are different types of power, I don't mean the guy with the biggest gun, but the power needed to control/guide the mind of others to a sole believe, just look at Bush and co, they managed to move a group of sheep's and made them believe a war with Iraq would harm the terrorist in some sort of way, and for a while they were right (in the eyes of idiots at least) 😲
But by your own logic, you should have absolutely no problem with any of that. If, as you say, what's morally right or factually correct can indeed by decided by majority vote, then the sheep and idiots you speak of are in fact, right, in every sense of the word. You should be trying to learn from them.
Or you could admit that regardless of what any number of people believed or consented to as a result of fear, ignorance, anger, or stupidity, they were, in fact, wrong, both empirically and morally.
In my eyes, and in the eyes of anyone with a working brain, they would be wrong and I would be right, but sheer numbers is a power, and there is no point in a single voice claiming for the right thing to do, when the rest are just idiots letting themselves be moved by petty words and crap.
Lets see how right you are in a situation in with you are the ONLY person in your side and the rest consider you an idiot for believing in something different than them.
The Truth and Facts are different things, no matter what you believe.
Rights and Wrongs change with time, but that is because the people that make the rules also change.
But like I said in the post that lacks sense
IN THE END, WHAT MATTERS THE MOST IS IN WHAT YOU BELIEVE 😛
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you know if you think about it everyone is evil cause the human race is developing cures and ways to make humans live longer and the weak live to which in human eyes looks like a "good" thing but accutuallly its bringing the human race to its destruction if the weak survive the kids of the weak will be weak to but if the strong(best addapt) survive the human race will get stronger and survive. but our ethics prevent this from happening which if looking at the survival of the humans makes our way of living and our society "evil"
personally i like to be evil this way 😛
Defying natural selection is truly evil, but I doubt it will lead to humanity's destruction. Even if humans get very weak, as long as they can still pull a trigger, they're superior to the rest of this planet's inhabitants. Except dolphins perhaps ( they're among the most intelligent animals and who knows which invasion armies they're gathering in the depths of the ocean).
That's why I asked the question whether or not you believe that the way our society functions is wrong or not.
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you know if you think about it everyone is evil cause the human race is developing cures and ways to make humans live longer and the weak live to which in human eyes looks like a "good" thing but accutuallly its bringing the human race to its destruction if the weak survive the kids of the weak will be weak to but if the strong(best addapt) survive the human race will get stronger and survive. but our ethics prevent this from happening which if looking at the survival of the humans makes our way of living and our society "evil"
personally i like to be evil this way 😛
Defying natural selection is truly evil, but I doubt it will lead to humanity's destruction. Even if humans get very weak, as long as they can still pull a trigger, they're superior to the rest of this planet's inhabitants. Except dolphins perhaps ( they're among the most intelligent animals and who knows which invasion armies they're gathering in the depths of the ocean).
pull a trigger? YEAH that will truly help against viruses and what not.
WEAK HUMANS DESERVE TO DIE!!!! MUAHAHAHA 🙄
Now, I am one of these weak humans, so I deserve to die? go and **** yourself!!!
as long as we can manipulate genes, everything will be fine in the end... gime my Wolverine powers NOW
You're being silly. Clearly the ability of even the weak humans to survive means that human beings don't need to go through natural selection. We are suitably adapted to our environment. Now, if some sort of great environmental change were to occur, or some apocalyptic event changed life as we know it, the system of natural selection would again become relevant, and lo and behold, the weak would begin dying again. Natural selection is a clever system because it enforces itself.
The most notable way in which natural selection currently occurs is by removing those with poor interpersonal skills from the gene pool. By requiring humans to succeed socially in order to mate, natural selection is currently encouraging that which helps man succeed the most in society: getting along with others and achieving through social means. So, natural selection is undeniable. It is currently removing the uncharismatic.
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Everybody is trying to get their slice of the pie, have their own stories of their pursuit of happyness. Some want that country house with the white picket fence while others are just satisfied with food on their table and a place to sleep.
Life is like crack sometimes. if your desire to live, to eat, to live in that country house one day is strong enough, humans are capable of killing their own flesh and blood to achieve it. Its addicting. talking as an American, we are a very goal orientated people, and that just means we are so much more likely to do these things. we break under pressure of balancing our greed and our morals.
our society isn't perfect but the majority of us has running water and food on the table, the little things we take for granted, that are keeping us from killing each other.
I totally agree with the idea of the need of a balance between good and evil. Our society comes together based on greed. Big corporations keep millions of families fed through the chain of command. They are indirectly doing it but nonetheless, they achieve through greed what most charities fail to do. give a man a fish and he'll eat a day, teach a man to fish and you have him fed for a lifetime.
We run towards religion for salvation because we WANT salvation. Doesn't want=greed? even if u were the type of person to find joy in helping others. that's still considered greed because you want joy.
Global war on terror, the desire for oil/spread of democracy(capitalist countries make $ and trade with friends) VS the desire to salvation. yes they truly believe they will go to heaven if they kill us.
I can't criticize though, i'm eating and working, and i know where i'll be in 10 years. plus i got my piece and prepared to kill anybody if necessary. but the fact that i don''t have to makes democracy such a beautiful thing and for that i'm proud to be an american.
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you know if you think about it everyone is evil cause the human race is developing cures and ways to make humans live longer and the weak live to which in human eyes looks like a "good" thing but accutuallly its bringing the human race to its destruction if the weak survive the kids of the weak will be weak to but if the strong(best addapt) survive the human race will get stronger and survive. but our ethics prevent this from happening which if looking at the survival of the humans makes our way of living and our society "evil"
personally i like to be evil this way 😛
Defying natural selection is truly evil, but I doubt it will lead to humanity's destruction. Even if humans get very weak, as long as they can still pull a trigger, they're superior to the rest of this planet's inhabitants. Except dolphins perhaps ( they're among the most intelligent animals and who knows which invasion armies they're gathering in the depths of the ocean).
That's why I asked the question whether or not you believe that the way our society functions is wrong or not.
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The Truth and Facts are different things, no matter what you believe.
The truth only depends on the point of view of the person who's telling it.
There is difference between "the Truth" and "truth". While Chaoswind is using the term relating it to "Knowledge" the way you are using it isn't exactly the same. That truth isn't exactly truth, but more closer to opinion, everyone can have their own opinion and it can be "true" or if you want, "correct" for him/her as long as he believes so, and trying to prove him wrong may be impossible. "Truth" epistemic traits are evidence and being "True" that is unchangeable, the will remain "True" forever. Certainly you don't know if that is possible, but denying the possibility saying "There is no "Truth"" isn't correct either unless it's just your own opinion, and in wich case you should add "I think" or "is my opinion" to make yourself understood more clearly.
As for if the way society works is right or wrong, I don't really know if that can be determined. I mean, you can say society works since it's still being applied, inside it right or wrong things can happen, but it's the individuals that carry them out. Certainly it can collapse too, and that can be viewed as "society worked wrong", and it being more or less stable can be viewed as "society works right". But if you are talking about corruption, crimes, etc. I don't think you can really attribute them to "Society". Certainly groups can make their moves if their interests are being threatened, but that isn't society either. They can make it go wrong or right, as well as the leaders or people who holds huge ammount of power can, but they are individuals as well. Well that is just my opinion.
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pull a trigger? YEAH that will truly help against viruses and what not.
WEAK HUMANS DESERVE TO DIE!!!! MUAHAHAHA 🙄
Now, I am one of these weak humans, so I deserve to die? go and **** yourself!!!
as long as we can manipulate genes, everything will be fine in the end... gime my Wolverine powers NOW
You're being silly. Clearly the ability of even the weak humans to survive means that human beings don't need to go through natural selection. We are suitably adapted to our environment. Now, if some sort of great environmental change were to occur, or some apocalyptic event changed life as we know it, the system of natural selection would again become relevant, and lo and behold, the weak would begin dying again. Natural selection is a clever system because it enforces itself.
The most notable way in which natural selection currently occurs is by removing those with poor interpersonal skills from the gene pool. By requiring humans to succeed socially in order to mate, natural selection is currently encouraging that which helps man succeed the most in society: getting along with others and achieving through social means. So, natural selection is undeniable. It is currently removing the uncharismatic.
The ability of weak humans to survive? I have to agree with what Stoned Philosopher said.
The weak are not using any of their abilities to survive (most of them) they are just dragging their feet and letting society carry the weigh, now what is weak? in my eyes people that can't do anything for themselves or are healthy lazy bastards
If you can't stand on your own, or at the very least help your family with something (anything), you are just a lump of meat consuming resources and breathing air.
Lets see in my case I had Chronic Asthma since I was a little kid (about 2 years old) and I lack enough fingers to count how many times, I was at the verge of dead, but I was not your average kid, I turned my disease into an advantage and used it to get what I wanted
PS: and the only reason I am still here is because both of my parents are Doctors, I was a big problem for them, so I asked them (at the age of 6), everything I needed to do in order to keep living, so yeah at that age I already knew how to give myself a shot of steroids in case it was necessary (I had 3 other options before the last resource with was that silly thing called steroids).
Thanks to that, I played with other kids and had a more or less normal childhood .
(Even though, I had problems almost daily and the other kids to with Thankfully I can call friends, had to drag me home more than once, I have no regrets about those times)
For what you can read, it seems I am taking an attack on the “special” people, and yeah is true, but I have a 17 years old “special” sister >_> and even thought I love her, I can’t feel anything else besides pity
I am being a bad person? By your standards the answer is probably (depends in you), but not by mine
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Well like I said People with power make the rules, knowledge is power, If tomorrow Stephen Hawking's somehow probed that 2+2 can somehow be 5 (after a very complex formula) you will have to believe he is right (eventually), or until someone managed to probe him wrong
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume English isn't your first language. Regardless, you're still wrong. If Stephen Hawking were to somehow prove that 2+2=5, he would have to do so using either logic based on the existing axioms that mathematics are grounded in, or prove that one of these basic assumptions is false. He would have to support his theory based on empirical logic and evidence; it's not as if he could proclaim upon his own authority as Stephen Hawking that 2+2=5, or anything else for that matter. Stephen Hawking can't change facts, regardless of how much weight his venerable opinion may carry.
You don't understand... That was just an example, and don't start to talk about facts, no one in this thread said that.
Ah, but I think I do understand. I know it was an example; your example was wrong, as was the underlying assertion you were attempting to support with it. Stephen Hawking cannot proclaim upon his own authority that 2+2=5; if he did, no matter how many people believed him, it would be false. If, however, he were to hypothetically prove using the established laws of mathematics, arithmetic, etc (or by proving one or more of these established laws wrong and working from there), then he would be right, even if no one else in the world believed him.
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TRUTH and FACTS can be different regardless of what you think, common belief is considered to be true, and that is what I want you all to understand, people used to believe the earth was flat, that was the common belief and so it was the truth, yet we all know as a fact that the earth, the moon, the sun and pretty much everything out there is round.
Truth is derived from facts; facts are individual pieces of verifiable information, whereas truth is the bigger picture formed from the individual puzzle pieces, if you will. Truth and fact differ only in terms of scale. Now, it is true that facts are filtered through the lens of human interpretation and perception, but this does not change the truth, only our perception of it.
Case in point: the truth was that the Earth was round; no matter how many people at one point or at any point believe that it's flat or rectangular or prismatic, the truth of the matter, that it is round, does not change. That the earth is flat was never the truth. People simply thought it was. As it turns out, those people were wrong.
You have argued that for them, that was the truth, in that their lives were partially governed by that mistaken belief that they and others held, but I will continue to brush this aside as irrelevant to the discussion. I am not concerned with people's personal conceptions of truth; it has about as much bearing on the truth as people's personal tastes in art or music do on the mechanical principles that musical instruments run on. One is opinion, the other is empirically verifiable.
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Is the same with the average person, if MOST/ALL People think killing another person without a reason is OK as long as they have fun, then that would make it right.
No. No it wouldn't. It might make it acceptable, trendy, etc, but it wouldn't make it right. How many people believe something is has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not it truly is. None.
As long as the trend never changes, it will keep being right
I propose that this widespread practice of wanton killing you suppose was, indeed, wrong from its conception, and will remain wrong as long as it is in practice. No matter how many murderous individuals happily proclaim that this is as it should be, they'll be wrong.
My argument has been based around the notion that morality, what is good and bad, can be determined not upon anyone's authority, but with reason and logic. Of course, every logical framework requires a set of axioms to base itself on - a prime directive, if you will. This is where the morality extends into the realm of metaphysics and philosophy. However, I daresay I prefer this definition of morality that requires a little bit of thinking in the dark to a definition based on Someone's arbitrary authority, or a relativistic, nihilistic non-definition under which nothing can be said about anything, and there are no grounds upon which to hold accountable the murderer, the rapist, the thief, or anyone for that matter because there is no crime he, or you, or I, or they, can be charged with.
Your argument, on the other hand, strikes me as self-contradictory. If all that matters is what individuals believe or perceive to be truth, or on a societal scale the majority of individuals, then neither of us has any grounds for arguing with the other. If there is no empirical truth with a capital T, then if I want to believe that there is, then for me there is, and for you there is not. We would simply have to agree to disagree, the both of us living in our own Orwellian conceptual universes where nothing exists outside of the human mind. What you're suggesting defies logic (at least as I am able to discern it).
It also strikes me as hypocritical. I am willing to wager that if someone were to come along and maim you while killing every person whose life you value and destroying all your possessions, you would consider this evil. Not evil 'from your perspective', just evil. Universally, unequivocally, evil. You would not sit back and, as your philosophy demands, give equal credence to his perspective and yours; you would, if able, avenge yourself and your loved ones, and not only that, you would consider yourself of the utmost righteousness in doing so.
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God is Almighty, so he made the first rules that mankind decided to follow (Regardless of religion "god" made rules for them to follow), the consequences of breaking said rules were mainly social (a mob going after a thief) but besides social consequences, there are religious consequences (GOING TO HELL)
In a world of people that think marring 5 wives is ok (and that is also OK in the Eyes of god), then without matter what you believe, that would be right.
In a world of crazy people that believe the world to be flat 🙄 (and "God" also says the same thing) if you dare to say the world is round, that would mean you are wrong and they are right, and they surely will start to call you crazy and insane 😲 , so in order to stop them from calling you that, you would have to somehow probe them you are right and they are wrong 🙂
I don't have any particular opinion on polygamy, but religious beliefs don't determine what's right or wrong either. There are plenty of practices that have been sanctioned by some religion or religious authority at some point, such as human sacrifice, genocide/ethnic cleansing, "honor" killings, stoning women to death for adultery, etc, that are unmistakably evil.
Yes, they do, remember for a lot of years, it was right or better say it was an HONOR to be a sacrifice, it was a holy duty to cleanse the world of heresy, it was the duty of all man to keep their honor over their life, and don't get me started with Rock's that Roll over women
NOW we consider all those things as stupid and evil, but in their time it was right to do any of them.
I'm really just repeating myself at this point, but no. These acts were and still are all evil, regardless of what people thought of them then or now. They were never right; they were always in their turn stupid, barbaric, superstitious, and evil - regardless of how many people thought otherwise. The earth has always been round, irrespective of how many people vehemently proclaimed that it was flat.
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Another less ridiculous example:
Now is ok to talk about anything we want (not in most countries) but we have the liberty of speech, so that gives us the right to talk, and so is not wrong to do so, but in the near future that liberty will be gone and it won’t be right to talk about anything hazardous anymore.
Get the point? I guess not
PS: English is the Third one >_>
This is getting exhausting.
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Like I said, there are different types of power, I don't mean the guy with the biggest gun, but the power needed to control/guide the mind of others to a sole believe, just look at Bush and co, they managed to move a group of sheep's and made them believe a war with Iraq would harm the terrorist in some sort of way, and for a while they were right (in the eyes of idiots at least) 😲
But by your own logic, you should have absolutely no problem with any of that. If, as you say, what's morally right or factually correct can indeed by decided by majority vote, then the sheep and idiots you speak of are in fact, right, in every sense of the word. You should be trying to learn from them.
Or you could admit that regardless of what any number of people believed or consented to as a result of fear, ignorance, anger, or stupidity, they were, in fact, wrong, both empirically and morally.
In my eyes, and in the eyes of anyone with a working brain, they would be wrong and I would be right, but sheer numbers is a power, and there is no point in a single voice claiming for the right thing to do, when the rest are just idiots letting themselves be moved by petty words and crap.
Not just idiots. Wrong idiots. I find it astounding how you can proclaim someone an idiot while refusing to admit that they are wrong - not just from your perspective, or mine, or that of "anyone with a working brain", but wrong. Completely, incontrovertibly, empirically, and morally wrong. According to your philosophy, they're not idiots; no one can be said to be an idiot. They're just people with a different truth.
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Lets see how right you are in a situation in with you are the ONLY person in your side and the rest consider you an idiot for believing in something different than them.
If I am right, I am right, even if the entire world disagrees. Them considering me an idiot, or ostracizing me, or killing me, wouldn't change that fact in the slightest.
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The Truth and Facts are different things, no matter what you believe.
IN THE END, WHAT MATTERS THE MOST IS IN WHAT YOU BELIEVE 😛
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If you had contradicted yourself any more blatantly, you might have won the argument by virtue of me dying of an aneurysm. That's just far too blatant to be excused by English being your third language. I mean, you used the exact same words.
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17 years ago
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The weak are not using any of their abilities to survive (most of them) they are just dragging their feet and letting society carry the weigh, now what is weak? in my eyes people that can't do anything for themselves or are healthy lazy bastards
If you can't stand on your own, or at the very least help your family with something (anything), you are just a lump of meat consuming resources and breathing air.
This doesn't make sense. These lumps of meat aren't going to mate. They've been 'selected'. They aren't cheating the system. You shouldn't have brought it up, I think, since you don't seem to fully understand it.
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17 years ago
Posts: 1310
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Quote from Chaoswind
The weak are not using any of their abilities to survive (most of them) they are just dragging their feet and letting society carry the weigh, now what is weak? in my eyes people that can't do anything for themselves or are healthy lazy bastards
If you can't stand on your own, or at the very least help your family with something (anything), you are just a lump of meat consuming resources and breathing air.
This doesn't make sense. These lumps of meat aren't going to mate. They've been 'selected'. They aren't cheating the system. You shouldn't have brought it up, I think, since you don't seem to fully understand it.
If you do your homework you would know that many of the special girls in many mental institutions get raped at some point, so yeah they do mate >_>
thought, I can can't say against their will...
kuraruka to make things short lets say this, something is true until proven wrong right? so if something is never proven wrong it will keep being true or at least possible >_>
Earth was flat = common belief, it was proven wrong so it became a lie
Black holes absorbed whole stars into them and for long people wondered what happened inside a black hole (some even thought you could live inside a black hole, trapped by gravity yet alive) = common belief (for common people?) , it was proven wrong (at least in theory) that a black hole is more like a cosmic blender.
That is how Society or better say Mankind works, you can be the only person in the world that is right about something, yet if you can't back it up, you will be wrong
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Quote from Chaoswind
The weak are not using any of their abilities to survive (most of them) they are just dragging their feet and letting society carry the weigh, now what is weak? in my eyes people that can't do anything for themselves or are healthy lazy bastards
If you can't stand on your own, or at the very least help your family with something (anything), you are just a lump of meat consuming resources and breathing air.
This doesn't make sense. These lumps of meat aren't going to mate. They've been 'selected'. They aren't cheating the system. You shouldn't have brought it up, I think, since you don't seem to fully understand it.
If you do your homework you would know that many of the special girls in many mental institutions get raped at some point, so yeah they do mate >_>
thought, I can can't say against their will...
First off, that's a complete facade that hollywood dreamt up, about the girls getting raped. I'm pretty sure it happens, but it doesn't happen so much that it's almost inevitable for a girl to get raped. That's just silly.
Secondly, even if these girls get raped they aren't doing it for the purpose of reproducing. If they do get pregnant, then it's the rapist's fault for bringing a bastard child into the world not the mother's. So then rapist is the weak person for having to resort to raping the weak people in order to fulfill his sexual urges.
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17 years ago
Posts: 1310
Heh!!!
That was an answer for him... he said they never mate so I decided to bring the "rape" card into play
and yeah, rape doesn't happen as often as it used to (in the 80, 90 raping of special girls was a very scary number) now it doesn't happen a lot, or we never actually hear of it (is not like the girls can explain in detail what happened to them)
and you think I want to think about my little sis getting raped at some point? I am always watching over her and there is no way in hell I would sit quietly if I know something like that is even possible (she is at her moms place and there is always a family member taking care of her)
Rapist are weak willed people, so yeah I think they are weak too, or at least mean bastards
