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17 years ago
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I don't really think Kushina was a shinobi...
they should already rest in piece, that would be better for the series
I hope Jiraiya doesn't die, Tsunade could still help him, he was the one worried about her position as Hokage
if Jiraiya were to die and Tsunade finds out...that'll be a VERY painfull death for Pain 😀
and Naruto would lost his role as the "savior"
or maybe Naruto goes crazy and brings destruction 🤣
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Jiraiya is dead.. 😀 I mean, it's like saying that the sky is green or something. 😛
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17 years ago
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in some areas due to polution at night the sky would appear to be a greenish color
Shmoke!!!!!!
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in some areas due to polution at night the sky would appear to be a greenish color
Okay, how about bright pink..? 😀 And you know what I mean. >.>;;
In my opinion, Jiraiya is officially dead. I liked the guy, and I'm saddened by the fact that him and Tsunade were just getting along great together. But I really think that this will do wonders for the story.
Tsunade won't help him. She's the Hokage. And I think that before "Naruto" is finished, Tsunade will die too in some way. Probably due to protecting Naruto/Konoha.
That way at the end, Naruto can be Hokage~
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17 years ago
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in some areas due to polution at night the sky would appear to be a greenish color
Okay, how about bright pink..? 😀 And you know what I mean. >.>;;
In my opinion, Jiraiya is officially dead. I liked the guy, and I'm saddened by the fact that him and Tsunade were just getting along great together. But I really think that this will do wonders for the story.
Tsunade won't help him. She's the Hokage. And I think that before "Naruto" is finished, Tsunade will die too in some way. Probably due to protecting Naruto/Konoha.
That way at the end, Naruto can be Hokage~
hmm, i see what you mean, but still, on some level, i dont think that its right for him to die, i mean, him dieing, what do you think naruto would do when he found out...?
17 years ago
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I doubt Naruto is that kind of series
also Kishi should just show that Jiraiya is really death
or he is planning to make it look like it and after like another 100 chapters he shows up again 😀
it's the same with Tsunade,there's no point in letting her die.
Sure,Naruto would go crazy but he goes crazy all the time!
and even if it could be time for the next generation there's no point in letting everyone from the older generation die...
then everybody could die, Kakashi, Gai, Kibas mom...
think about how it would look like if our society would do that!
I'm not saying Jiraiya won't die,I'm saying he isn't propably death yet and that it's absolutely pointless for Tsunade to die
if Naruto were to become like this than it has lost everything from the original 😔
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Actually, it would regain how it was in the beginning.. When there were many chapters emotional/moving like this
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17 years ago
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yeah but nobody was dying!
from the good guys of course
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But people die all the time in the world..! 😀 So that'll make it more realistic that Jiraiya dies.. 😛 And that it doesn't somehow end up all happy-like and everyone's still alive.. At least one major character needs to go, you know. 😀 And besides, Jiraiya and Tsunade were never meant to be.
I guess, we agree on disagreeing.. 😀 🤣
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17 years ago
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Naruto isn't even near something realistic so why do it now? 🤣
at least one character doesn't mean you let everyone who is older die 😉
like I said, when I see it I believe Jiraiyas dead, 'till then nobody knows
but we propably won't get to know in the next chapter, I can imagine Kishimoto making a screenchange
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Left arm has been cut off..
Throat has been pierced..
He has been stabbed by 5 "swords"..
He even said, "I'll leave everything up to you, Naruto"..
He will die.. o.O UNLESS, someone with astonishing healing abilities appears, which is very unlikely.. 🤣 Don't you just get that? 😛
And I'm not saying the older generation should die.. Though in a way, it does.. Since the three sannin in my opinion symbolize the older generation.. Orochimaru has already been taken out(probably), and now Jiraiya.. Makes only sense that sometime it'll be Tsunade's time to go too.. Though I'm not saying it as if it were definite..
P.S.: You just saw Jiraiya dieing. How can you still be in denial? 😀 If Jiraiya dies, then I'll say I told you so.. 😛
P.S.S: Almost none of the manga are realistic, though many Seinens and Joseis are considered realistic.. Because events that happen there are not limited to the world of fantasy alone..
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17 years ago
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@Dr. Love
you are the one who don't gets me!
I'm not saying he WON'T die, I'm saying he's not dead YET,that's a huge difference!
finaly got me?
because even Asumas death was displayed more emotional and Jiraiya's a major character compared to him
what I want to say is that Kishimoto will show the death a bit better next time or maybe in some flashback when Pa gets to Tsunade or someone.Or he still has some plan with the Ero-sennin
Orochimaru isn't out, he was supposed to be dead but he lives on in Kabuto.It even looks like he maybe takes over Kabutos body(Kishi could finaly show him again)
and since everyone makes sure Tsunade doesn't fight there will be no situation where she could die, there's nobody left who wants to crush Konoha(for now)
so the only way she could die at all were a fight with Pain, be it other way to save Jiraiya or to avenge him
what's there in Naruto that isn't based on fantasy? the whole plot is based on a japanese myth!
a world of ninjas where they have electricity, TV or medical devices, there's not much realictic about that...
of course there are mangas which you could consider realistic but Naruto doesn't seem to be one of those(which doesn't mean the series not good)
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well yeah,that was said but she kinda didn't look like a ninja...
won't mind if I'm wrong though 😀
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But in my opinion, sorry if I'm wrong, you don't speak objectively. You're like "Jiraiya deserves a more glorious death, because I like him and he's a major character". I like Jiraiya too. He's one of the best characters there. But he got his goodbye. Though I'm not ruling out the possibility that he will still live. But due to that, it'll just make the story cornier.
I think it's a good thing that Jiraiya died, and the way it has been portrayed. Made me remember why I liked Naruto. And I don't want Kishi screwing it up by letting Jiraiya live (a little more). Since that will nullify the emotional storytelling from the last chapter.
Orochimaru is in Sasuke. Whatever comes out of Kabuto will not be Orochimaru. Either it will be Kabuto having the control, or it will be a new identity; Kabuchimaru. But Orochimaru is now in Sasuke. And apparantly he's going to stay there for a long time.
Never heard of civil war? I think there'll be one in Konoha, because of Root. "Beware of Root" was the last thing that Jiraiya said. I think it'll come true. Also wasn't the 3rd a Hokage too? Didn't help him from dying. There will be chaos in Konoha, so everyone else will be too busy with their own fights.
I meant elements, like blond hair and blue eyes. We have that too, right? Okay, let's go a step further. Someone in this world must have a similar personality like Naruto or Sakura, no? Okay, real again. You don't have to have blood relatives to have a 'family', right? Just like Naruto made his own family. And if someone dies in Naruto, like Asuma and the 3rd, it will make it more realistic. Even more so, because it's a major character.
That's what I meant with realistic. Of course the ninja powers aren't realistic. >.>;;
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17 years ago
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I'm only saying Jiraiya deserves a better end because everyone who died 'till now had a better end.even Zabuza!
of course I would be sad either way because he's one of my favorites but to let him just die like this...it was okay when he died first, then he came back to life and the second dead(which isn't confirmed in my opinion)was weird.how should I say...it just didn't look like a death at all
I already said there'S the possibility of showing his dead in a flashback,which would be okay with me.I'm happy as long as Kishi shows something better than the last end(which WAS emotionaly,I agree with you on that)
Kishi screw up a few things lately so it wouldn't surprise me if he screw up another one,but we can only wait for that
I'm not saying he HAS to do it but you know authors 🙄
Orochimaru isn't in Sasuke, he only took the healing ability of the white snake and some of the jutsus.Orochimarus soul should be in Kabuto, at least Kabuto said it
there is the danger of ROOT but don't think they would make a civil war,there is one in Amegakure, to make another one in Konoha wouldn't really fit.Besides Danzou looks more like the guy who works underneath
and Tsunade as Hokage should be the strongest in Konoha,that means also in ROOT
of course we can only wait for this too
okaaaaay, if you call that realistic then even the most ridiculous future space manga would be realistic because there is always someone with a similar character like Naruto or someone with blond hair...
at least we agree on the jutsu stuff(allthough it's rather easy to make up katon-jutsus 🤣 )
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Yay~, discussion time. Keeps me from getting bored. 🤣
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I'm only saying Jiraiya deserves a better end because everyone who died 'till now had a better end.even Zabuza!
Subjectively spoken.
it was okay when he died first, then he came back to life and the second dead(which isn't confirmed in my opinion)was weird.
It's not weird, it was right. Now that would be a lame death, if he just died the first time. 😛 When he comes back to life through determination, that just reinforces Kishi's point of that a 'true' ninja has the guts to never give up. He used all his strength to deliver the 'information' (Pain's true identity) to Pa Frog, and now he could rest in peace. Since that information will be vital to the defeat of Pain.
I don't think Kishi has screwed up things. 😛 You just got to think like him, to understand him.
Well, he isn't 'in' Sasuke. But Sasuke has taken over~ Orochimaru's soul is inside Sasuke's mind. Read the chapter again.Chapter 346
Orochimaru's soul is definitely not inside of Kabuto.
"You see, I merely took a part of Orochimaru's remains after Sasuke killed him... And transplanted it into this body of mine."
He used the cells from Orochimaru and integrated them into his body, which means Orochimaru in this context means kind of like a virus. It is not The Orochimaru, the Sannin.
And the Root thing was just an example. I could've said anything. But I'm pretty sure that there will be some chaos/danger in Konoha in the future.
Also Tsunade being Hokage does not mean she's the strongest. You have to have a lot of other qualities to be a Hokage. Charisma, good will, paperwork skills, cheering the people up, not an evil personality ~~> One of the reasons why Orochimaru wasn't chosen.
Tsunade isn't all that impressive in battle tactics/prowess as of yet. At least compared to the big villains that have appeared recently.
I'm not calling Naruto realistic! ;_; You don't get my point. I mean, the psychology/sociology/human interaction must be realistic. I was talking about realistic elements and aspects.
P.S.: You can never be sure about the future. So you can't say if it will be realistic or not.
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