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Why One Piece > Naruto,Bleach... [SPOILER]

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16 years ago
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I think I like One Piece because it's not the typical action manga. Usually, peopl fight 'cause of hate, jealousy, to protect, and all those complicated reasons that they all manage to hide. People gaining strength on a regular basis can get boring. Screaming and protecting other are just cliche.

In One Piece, situations also turn out of expectations, and there's no mushy scences. The deeper scences always has something funny to it.One Piece has a LOT of comedy in it, serving as a relief over the serious stuff.


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bottom line: the plot of OP is not brutally obvious OR full of holes
'nuff said


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One piece = very good story/plot, humor, action and originality.

One piece is almost unpredictable in some aspect of the story it always wow me(I didn't see it coming <_<).

The power level in OP is very different in those other big two manga.


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If this was half a year back, Bleach but now it's Naruto for me. Bleach is boring me half to death. I started reading Naruto just recently at caught up about when it reached four hundred chapters. OP just doesn't appeal to me. Pirates don't catch my attention. Maybe later since I run out of anime and manga to read I might read OP. No, it WILL happen. remembers how she hated naruto once


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The setting of One Piece makes repetive things make sense, while if the other makes those extra arcs, it could be good stories and fights but still - the original main plot seems to change to me.

My Feelings about the different plots:

Naruto wants to be best in his village, I understand that idea. But instead of him doing missions and rising in the ranks, the manga creates more and more antagonists like there's no end to all the misery in his world. Look at the recent arc with Pain, sure, I didn't like how they killed the villagers of Konoha like they was flies, but after reviving each and everyone of them, what was the point of the past 30 chapters? Naruto just stalled for over half a year, and even if one of the main antagonists died, another one appears. Just how many hidden groups of missing ninjas does it exist? I can accept that there could be many, yes. That each member of every organization is as strong as the Hokage, which is the strongest ninja of the mightiest shinobi nation...no.

Bleach got a better theme in terms of WHY there's new antagonists, look - there is almost as many hollows as there is ghosts, so of course many evil beings exist. Still, while it is exciting to see how it's gonna be possible to beat someone invincible as Aizen, all the fights end the same. Both sides standing, facing each other, Ichigo falls down bleeding, the antagonist says something like "stupid, you were the one who won" and then the antagonist dies....

One Piece got a more theme towards adventure than the others, while a highschooler is meant to be home and relaxing between all the fights he got involved in for no reason and the ninja who is meant to follow the mission, the pirate crew is actually doing a journey without expectations other than a goal.

About the fillers and how good they fit...

Fillers in Naruto, fine - come on, a ninja is supposed to do his/her missions, instead of going around searching for one friend and killing everyone who interferes with their ambitions.
They are annoying but the THEME should allow small-scale fillers, but not these country-involving criminals which are comparable to akatsuki. I would like it to follow the main plot and hate fillers myself, but this setting should still accept them.

In Bleach, however, Ichigo is just a strong guy who happens to have shinigami powers while not being one. There is absolutley no reason why he should do Soul Societys tasks killing hollows for them when they have captains for that. There is nothing which says that the fillers makes sense in the plot.

One Piece is about a massive adventure, with thousands of island in the world. Each island have their own adventure. Even if fillers are annoying as hell, just look at it, the setting of One Piece INVITES fillers. As every nation has something against criminals, new antagonists (or wait, if marines are the good guys...shouldn't that make them protagonists in some way?...) MAKES SENSE compared to Bleach and Naruto. Even if it feels enough with the massive ammount of characters in One Piece, look at this fact - up to now, haven't there been a little short ammount of rivaling pirate clans before they got to the Red Line and the Shabondy Arcipelago? It wouldn't make sense WITHOUT new antagonists/more pirate clans anyways.

My point: Fillers fits in One Piece, should be acceptable in Naruto (although I don't like them) and Bleach shouldn't have them.

Personally I like One piece the most, Naruto second and Bleach last just because the latest arc with all the repetive fighting has been pretty lame. Naruto and Bleach both have better ways of expressing emotions but even if I think the two are more exciting to read, they make no sense!


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I don`t read Bleach, but I read One Piece and Naruto. One Piece is my 100% favourite. It has fantastic plot, funny characters and Oda likes to make lots of suprises!


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I actually started reading all three when they first came out in Japan, and have always like One Piece the best. It's hilarious and (believe it or not) I've never hated a single character in the series. Not even a bad guy. The plot is so simple, but good enough to continue for an extended period of time without it becoming boring and convoluted, and you never really know what to expect most of the time. The randomness that creeps in at unexpected moments is probably the thing that I love best about the show 🤣

Naruto's my second of the three, and then Bleach...in small doses. The only thing that I've hated about Bleach was the recycled "damsel in distress" thing. Ichigo --> saved Rukia. Ichigo --> saved Orihime. One save would have done just fine, I think 🙄


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Hello everybody...
I also wanna give my opinion bout One Piece.

I like One Piece because of the storyline is GREAT, the artwork is UNIQUE and it's really fun, creative n crazy! It put lots of feeling when u read it... I cried when they part with Merry. And now, after 500 chaps above, the story still getting hot!
I admit that in the battle, there are no chars die here... But I never get annoyed because the concept in One Piece is Fun n Crazy 🤣 and it ain't focused in fight.. It's journey finding a Treasure! I
It's different when I read Bleach, It's really annoyed me.. because it was all fighting story and stupidly no one died here. but some others shounen manga are also like this.

It is like One Piece can be enjoyed by all ages... even child.
But Bleach targeted for 13+ or teenagers, but ones with that ages have had consciousness for this screwed twisted story.

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naruto only got interesting again since pain fight and sasuke itachi

I agree too, cause I almost dropped this series... but after Itachi fight, I continued to read it...
But If I compare between reading One Piece and Naruto per chapter, or even per volume, I can feel emotional attachment in One Piece... and no for Naruto. Even when some chars died... Including Itachi (Even I like him). Sorry for Naruto's fans.

In term of story: 1st is One Piece. No other manga is enjoyable than this.
In term of art: Naruto's better than One Piece, but not the 1st.

Put the hell for Bleach.


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yes as metioned, OP have gone 500+ and still is not Overpowered, wich is great, I mean in bleach things just get bigger and bigger in the bursts.

For me its OP first, well all the reasons have been stated already so no need to repeat them.
Its bleach for me in second becuse I just do not agree with the hole samurai concept in naruto (being the strongest nation and just ignoring all wars)
And Naruto on last.

bleach and naruto always changes place when the other serie lowers it self, i have never changed my position of them because they got beter then the other, just worse the the lower one.


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I disagree with D.God, as **The World, The characters and The Fights ** are not what makes one piece manga different from the other two.It it the theme. (Of course there are some differences, but that not what I want to call atention to)

Naruto, as some have already said, is a lot darker then OP, some times there are not bad guys and good guys. Yon can spend days on the Net arguing if Sasuke should or should not leave the leaf. Naruto is a lot more mature than OP.

OP is simple, bad guys are really bad and are beat by the good guys, who are really good. OP is naive, I've never seen Ruffy do any hard choices and his actions never harm others. There's no reponsability in OP, Ruffy can decide to fight the world and no friends of him will suffer because of this. There are no implications for his actions.

This doesnt mean the manga is bad, but it is a matter of taste. I like more a plot that has to make sense in detail, I like to rethink if the characters action are correct, I like to see that vilains and heros are all humans, who have virtues and shortcomings.

For example: I love to see Zabuza cry as Haku dies, he is human.(Which villain in OP isnt a complete moral less bastard?) I don't like when the world is black and white, but prefer it to be somewhat gray.

And that's why Naruto is more popular on the net and why I think Naruto is better. Of course, OP is easier for children to follow, so it is more popular outside the net.

The world is one of the key elements that makes one piece. There's actual events that's going on even even when the main characters are doing w/e.
Like Coby and Helempo training for the government, BB vs Ace,
The Crazy meeting between shanks and WB and more.its just not in a set area were you fell nothing.

Naruto isn't really that dark. REALLY. Oda Talks about stuff in his manga that Kishimoto wouldn't dear go near.

Why would anyone spend days on the net figuring out if Sasuke should belong in Konoha or not? That sounds something only a narutard would do. Naruto is not more mature than One Piece. When you have such shitty protagonist as Naruto. Naruto is an immature protagonist who cant come to the realization that Sasuke don't wanna be there anymore. and i think i said enough with that alone.

Its way more black and white in naruto than it is in OP. Its just bad writing that makes you think the world is gray. Example Pain. Kishimoto just f'd up the story by doing what he did. Pain spent about 20 years trying to get the tailed beast just to have some little punk tell him its wrong and then he follows through? ARE YOU KIDDING ME. He then revives everyone in Konoha and get flowers from a member of the Akatsuki? what kind of F'd up DBZ/fairytale (not the manga) story telling is that.
It was hard for him to burn and sink the Marry Go. and why do he have to make hard choices because he chosses what he wants do do. Luffy actions has harmed others but i can see that you suck at paying attention to detail. He punched a tenryubito and had his whole crew sent flying to different parts of the world. How do you call a series naive and then you only refer to one character? What hard choices did naruto make?

If you like something with detail you should of just payed more attention to one piece.

there morals are f'd up because whats going on around them. all bad guys don't need a emo side like the characters from naruto.

And how is op for children when it talks about stuff like

  • External Conflicts in One Piece -

Racism - Arlong, Shabondy Archipelago

Tyranny - Drum Island, Shabondy Archipelago

Take Over - Arabasta

Deification - Skypiea

Genocide - Enies Lobby, Ohara

War - Arabasta, Skypeia, WG vs Whitebeard (upcoming)

Slavery (/Human trafficking) - Shabondy Archipelago

Government Corruption - Arabasta, Water 7, Enies Lobby, Shabondy Archipelago

and Dark Justice, Absolute Justice, Justification of Torture

and naruto you just have

  • Internal(/Individual) Conflicts in Naruto -

Able to Relate

Loneliness

Jealousy

Rejection

Need to Grow Stronger

Desire to Protect

its mature in its own rights but not close to one piece lvl.

FYI one piece is much more popular than naruto.

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I love reading what ArtieBoy posted here. True! So true!

Onepiece isnt about Good guys who are really "Good" vs Bad guys who are really "Bad". If people view OP as that, you might better well be reading Rave master or Fairy tail.

I love the fact where he mentions Onepiece has bigger/more complicated issues within "the world of Pirates" as its main theme.

As he has mentioned different types of 'dark' serious themes in OP, OP also has something that makes it 'stronger' than the other big shounens out there.

**FAMILY = FRIENDSHIP **
Nakama (Strawhats pirates), Zoro+Yosaku+Johnny, Sanji+Baratie restaurant), non-blood related 'family' (Ace+Garp+Luffy+Makino, Nojiko+Belmel+Nami, the Will of D, Franky family, Brogy+Dorry (friendly rivalry),Chopper + Doctor Kureha & Doc Hiriluk..even in minor characters like Montblanc Cricket & the Saruyama Alliance!

JUSTICE X MORALITY = (the choices people made from "absolute justice" or their own "justice")

Smoker's decisions in Alabasta, the choices made by Aokiji (having to do with Robin's escape and killing Saul)/ Kuma (disregarding WG's orders to kill all the remaining occupants in Thriller park & separating all the strawhats crew)/ Franky's attempt of saving Tom from a running SEA TRAIN (which almost cost his life), Korsa & Vivi's own 'justice' in saving Alabasta, Numerous decisions made by Luffy (stopping Crocodile in Alasbasta Arc, involving/ending in the long war between Skypiens+Shandians/saving Nami's island/Declaring war against World government, punching Tenryubitto, saving the lives of the Amazonians who saved him (Marguerite, Sweetpea & Alephandra)/ breaking into Impel down to save Ace etc etc etc etc

SACRIFICES
Most recently,the sacrifices that Ace's parents made to protect him. Luffy's choice to save Ace rather than meeting his Nakama, The sacrifices that the Oharans made to protect knowledge than their own lives (e.g. Saving the books from getting destroyed by the fire etc), Robin's betrayal to protect the Strawhats, Luffy & Ussop's fight over Merry (that almost cost their friendship), Belmel's sacrifice to protect her children (paying the tax for two children than her own life), Nami's sacrifice to buy back her village for the last 8 years (she made that pact when she was 10 forgodsakes!!)

HOPE & DREAMS
Luffy's hope to meet his nakama again, Brook's 50 years of survival & loneliness in hoping to meet Laboon someday (damn, 50 years is a LONG TIME..and yet, did any of you see him getting all emo and grudgeful over the pirates who killed his crew?? )

there's so many examples that I could think of! T___T and that makes OP,an EPIC manga!


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Seriously anyone who thinks One Piece is a childish manga all about fun and games and good vs. bad doesn't know much about One Piece.

Naruto focuses much more on good vs. bad than One Piece. In One Piece pretty much every character has their own sense of justice. Just like how Luffy's goal is to protect his nakama and become the Pirate King, so do the villains. Luffy will strike down anyone who gets in the way of his goals, the villains will strike down anyone who gets in the way of theirs.

It was obvious from the beginning when Luffy became a pirate and Coby became a Marine that good vs. bad wasn't how One Piece worked. When Zoro changes from a pirate hunter to a pirate it was obvious that in One Piece it wasn't about right or wrong, it was about what actually matters to each individual person on a personal level. To Zoro it didn't matter if he had to be recruited by Satan himself as long as he could live out his dream.

In Naruto there have been instances where after Naruto beats the stockings off someone they practically have this flash of light where they go "What have I been DOING my WHOLE life till this MOMENT?"

They make it seem like anyone against Naruto is delusional or something. That always sort of bothered me... because I'm sure that not every "bad guy" in the story was so weak-willed in their goal that it took one beating and a heart-to-heart to change their mind. They make Naruto seem like Dr. Phil or something... "I understand but... what you're doing is WRONG." ugh...

As Luffy says at the beginning of One Piece, your power is determined by your resolve and those with no resolve are the weakest.

As for Bleach, the show has nowhere near as much depth as the other two (though it has it's moments, just not many). It's pretty much another version of Dragon Ball except with less cool characters.


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