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Sorry about that, but it's to prove a point... how can you ever normalize what the "average" IQ is going to be? Each individual has their own strengths in intelligence... (I think I remember you saying you were brilliant at math? but maybe not so much in grammar.) And so, how could you ever have a study where you can truly determine that ingesting THC, or another drug, is going to decrease IQ? You'd have to have a huge sample size in order to begin to infer something like that...

So, in conclusion, I also have read a few articles (taken from PubMed) about THC and its effects... and it looks like the scientific community is kinda torn on whether or not this drug is really that dangerous.

And even without reading all that, you can infer that this drug, taken in moderation, isn't going to cause permanent damage... because of the fact that it can be used medicinally.

Here read this: [url]http://www.freevibe.com/Drug_Facts/lowdown.asp[/url] You don't need a super technical study to prove something that any idiot can see. Find people who took an iq test when they were in highschool and then started using pot in college and test them again and you'll see the truth. My cousin got all A's and B's in highschool but he couldn't get a joba nd started hanging around with the wrong crowd and started using marijuana. To say he is a shadow of the person he was is putting it lightly. So don't tell me marijuana doesn't do damage to your brain and iq. It's because of people like you and statements like yours that teenagers think it's (how is my grammar good enough for you) okay to use the drug. Don't bring the "scientists are in dispute about it" crap here just like they are in dispute as to whether or not gloabal warming is real or something hippies dreamed up (jackasses). Also maybe you should read a few more articles and lose the "bias" while you are reading them (if you are intelligent enough you'd figure out what this sentence means but I doubt you are since your little friend is eating your brain out bit by bit).
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Ah. Sorry about the finding fault in your grammar.

But it was to illustrate the point of standardizing IQ.
You really can't standardize the IQ of a normal person... because everyone thinks in different ways. And thus, saying that drugs affect your IQ just doesn't make sense to me. Unless you were to give one identical twin the drug during his development and let the other act as the control (which is horribly unethical), you cannot say that biologically, THC will cause permanent damage and lower an individual's IQ.

Right now, I'm talking about THC, the illegal drug/substance in marijuana... whether you'd get this drug from the street or from a doctor in Canada.

Mmm... you're right though. It is my opinion. But, right now, my opinion is the same as yours. I do believe that these drugs are illegal for a reason, and that the safest bet is to not ingest them. You should stay healthy... for your own sake.

But, I'm poking holes in your argument because I feel that it's good to think about such things. And, while they may not be nonparallel, they are intersecting topics, right?

I agree that brain damage restricts you from performing well on an IQ test... but slow reaction time? I'm assuming you also mean slow reading, right? Loss of mental concentration... can also suggest someone with ADD, right? I know that testing facilities accomodate for these things.

I have a professor who has ADD and dyslexia. He went to Cornell... but always needed more time to take his tests... but when he had time, he was brilliant on the exams. He just needed more time to read the test. Now, that's beside the point. Are people who smoke pot going to the exams while stoned? Last I heard, the effects of slow reaction time were temporary.

So, again, I'm talking about the permanent effects. So far, I haven't seen you present any information. I can look it up, I suppose.

Here are 2 sides of the argument:

1: Cannabis promotes neurogenesis, and may help in battling depression. From this article, new neurons are generated. This paper shows the good side of marijuana.
Jiang W, et. al. Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects. J Clin Invest. 2005 Nov;115(11):3104-16. Epub 2005 Oct 13.

2. Adolescents who were regular cannabis users (more than once a week) had a significantly poorer performance on four measures of cognitive function reflecting attention, spatial working memory and learning. So, it seems like using marijuana (chronically, not acutely) does affect how one tests... and this may affect things like IQ tests. And, so, this gives strong support for you, ares6, that taking THC does indeed reduce IQ.
   Harvey MA, et. al. The relationship between non-acute adolescent cannabis use and cognition. Drug Alcohol Rev. 2007 May;26(3):309-19.

Mmm... quite a recent article, too. O_O;; The only thing I'd consider is the strength of the Journal for the second, Drug Alcohol Rev... versus the first one, Journal of Clinical Investigation.

-Max

Sometimes, when I go to check my manga list I click on a random chatterbox thread to see if maybe I'd like to participate in the forums, which I don't very often. Then I realise that every thread in the chatterbox ultimately turns into the ares6-is-a-little-worm-hour and I slink away

I don't smoke tobacco on a regular basis. Shisha's fun every now and then but the detriments seem to outweigh the benefits. By a lot.

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(if you are intelligent enough you'd figure out what this sentence means but I doubt you are since your little friend is eating your brain out bit by bit).
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Durrr... I ain't smrat engough cuz me so hiiighhh~~

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_<;; but no, it isn't people like me that cause teenagers to go smoke. They'll find justification ANYWHERE. But, I would like to discuss some of the effects about it.. y'know, like actual formal debate? No need to get heated about it. But, if you question my intelligence...

...please read... and know that my opinion is most definitely the same as yours. Hahah... so if I were to have any sort of bias, it'd be in your favor. =_=;;

And, no, I don't think ares6 is "a little worm" but rather, it's good that he's giving his own opinion. 🙂 haha...

-Max

Is it time for my conservative yet hypocritical opinions?

So I think smoking is a negative thing to do, legal or illegal drug. There are other ways to escape reality, self-medicate, have fun, whatever the reason. I would go so far as to say cigarettes should be illegal. I mean, nicotene is clearly damaging to a smoker and those around them, let alone addicting. Other substances like that are illegal, why not cigarettes?
But, in the end, to each his own.

That said, I have smoked a little - just cigarettes! - menthols aren't as bad tasting as I was expecting - in an attempt to de-stress while I was working full time at the animal shelter. Really, if you care about animals, its a tough place to work. Of course smoking didn't work anyway, other than to worry me more if I smelled like smoke or not. ( I am told I wasn't doing it right anyway, not inhaling or something). Now that I am working there only one day a week I still go out to the smoking area occasionally (next to the umm, 'oven') for a little break and socialization, because a big chunk of employees at the shelter smoke!

Incidentally, a few years ago I stumbled across a website that indicated smoking Catnip can give you a mild high - I suppose you could probably smoke anything if you wanted!

And second-hand smoke affects pets as well!

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_<;; but no, it isn't people like me that cause teenagers to go smoke. They'll find justification ANYWHERE. But, I would like to discuss some of the effects about it.. y'know, like actual formal debate? No need to get heated about it. But, if you question my intelligence...

...please read... and know that my opinion is most definitely the same as yours. Hahah... so if I were to have any sort of bias, it'd be in your favor. =_=;;

And, no, I don't think ares6 is "a little worm" but rather, it's good that he's giving his own opinion. 🙂 haha...

Your overall take on the final answer might be the same but your reasons and statements don't corroborate your stand on the topic. If you say that smoking pot is good for you and someone listens to you and then next time at a party their friend offers them a joint and the only thing that would stop them isn't there anymore so they get high and get hooked. The thing is that teenagers today are very easily influenced by external pressures such as people arguing that pot isn't bad for you when it clearly is bad for you. is that your fault? no. it's society's fault but that is an entirely different thread altogether.
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Eh..? What about want?

Recently, I was offered to go smoke pot with some friends during a party... but, I declined. Most of my friends went... and so I didn't know anyone at the party anymore, so I left. No biggie...

But really, is it that hard to say no to something that you don't want?
It's interesting what you're arguing though. If someone is curious enough, they would try it anyway, right? You're blaming me for giving another side of the argument... but I feel that it's unfair. I claim that if someone were truly wishing to try pot, they will. They really don't need my argument to justify their actions. Most of teenagers' excuses are: I was bored and wanted to experiment.

So, the question is: should we always keep everything in black and white...?

Right now, I'm happy that I took on the stance of Devil's Advocate. I learned something new today: cannabis promotes neurogenesis. That's interesting to know. I'm expanding beyond my limited viewpoint of, "Oh no, that's definitely bad, and there is no good in ever doing something like that."

Bah. Enough said about this.

@ladybrasa -- I agree. I think that banning smoking (at least publicy) is a good thing. When it boils down to it, you're smoking (whether legal or illegal) for pure enjoyment. And, I think that it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to stop that particular thing ... since it does affect others around you.

Hahah... my friend, Keia, used to say to me in high school... that his smoking relieved his anxiety... and so, by the time he died of lung cancer, I'd have died from a heart attack long before him. ^_^;;

And another friend, Jeff... when out of high school, he started smoking. I wondered why... because he'd denouced smokers when he was in high school. It was really strange. But when I asked him about the reason, he says that smoking makes him think more clearly... and he'd rather live a shorter life thinking clearly than living a longer life with a hazy brain.

Hahah... oh man. I argued with the both of them for sooo long. Tried getting them to stop... but, didn't work out too well. 🙁 They continue smoking to this day. Pfft. Haha... but it's their lives... and it would be bad of me to actually do anything more to force them to stop. (hopefully their future girlfriends or wives will find a way to stop their habits. ^_^)

-Max

bleh.. i remember some old uncle were joking and gave me a little smoke...EWWW I HATE THEM EVER SINCE!!! how can you get addicts to those.. i mean, IT KILLS YOU!

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bleh.. i remember some old uncle were joking and gave me a little smoke...EWWW I HATE THEM EVER SINCE!!! how can you get addicts to those.. i mean, IT KILLS YOU!

Good for you chueisha. My dad tried to give me beer when I was 7 or 8 just a sip and I threw up like hell. I never touched alcohol again. I'm afraid of it and it taste's like piss imo.

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bleh.. i remember some old uncle were joking and gave me a little smoke...EWWW I HATE THEM EVER SINCE!!! how can you get addicts to those.. i mean, IT KILLS YOU!

Good for you chueisha. My dad tried to give me beer when I was 7 or 8 just a sip and I threw up like hell. I never touched alcohol again. I'm afraid of it and it taste's like piss imo.

yes i know good for me.. 😀 (shine) i'm always good xDDD

..i like wine...it taste good 😀 alchohol is not that bad, a sip or two just a bit bitter but taste good after...

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I like apple cider and french bread. My family loves red wine before dinner but I swear I have a phobia against alcohol. Also red wine is good for your heart. 😛

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I like apple cider and french bread. My family loves red wine before dinner but I swear I have a phobia against alcohol. Also red wine is good for your heart. 😛

oh really...? hmm.. should try. healthy AND good. yuumm

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No smoking or alcohol for me. Well, for one thing...I'm underage~ (although that doesn't stop many people in the real world)

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i don't think underaged matters with people these days/ I mean if it does, there would be no sign saying "stop teenagers" or "stupid.ca" xDD

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I don't smoke either. It is smelly and I don't want to pay $$ for that.

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