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heath ledger's portrayal was just more realistic while nichalsons was a...spot light for an old fogei which would look good on his reseme lol

Lol, que? Jack Nicholson an old fogey who needs to bolster his resume? If he had only made One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest, he would still be seen as one of the greatest modern actors. If you want an insane character, watch The Shining.

wat i meant was for nichalson to do joker...sure it was good acting...but it still wasn't the joker...it was nichalson up and down...i'm not doubting his acting either cus it's quite obvious he's really good(the departed like a mother fo)it's just jack's portrayal was as honest to the comic as the dbz movie is going to b honest to the anime...(white boi playing goku and a skinny turtle hermit)

I think you're wrong. I remember watching the oooooollllld batman and thinking that Nicholson took it to another level.

I don't think The Dark Night would have as far spread appreciation 20 years ago. It's a different time. Just like the new Superman. The older Superman movies fit the time period perfectly, and the new one was very similar to the old one, and was not as well recieved by the modern audience. IDK, the context of the film must also be addressed when comparing films.

It's like comparing Adam West to George Clooney to Christian Bale. Different context yields different interpretations.

It also is worth saying that The Dark Night draws parallels with Frank Miller's interpretation of the Batman.

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It's like comparing Adam West to George Clooney to Christian Bale. Different context yields different interpretations.

It also is worth saying that The Dark Night draws parallels with Frank Miller's interpretation of the Batman.

I know I'm probably steering away from the point you were making, but you could have chosen a better Batman than George Clooney. Great actor, worst Batman. Probably would have been better off with Michael Keaton (he made two), or even Val Kilmer.

But as to what the post was actually about, I do see what you mean. It really isn't a fair comparison. Who you liked more is just a matter of tastes really. I still think Heath Ledger blew Jack Nicholson out of the water, but that's because I always thought of Batman as a dark, gritty story. So, naturally, I thought that Heath's Joker was amazing. And I may be wrong, but wasn't the original Batman also a dark, gritty story (not referring to the cartoons, but the story when it first came out)?

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It's like comparing Adam West to George Clooney to Christian Bale. Different context yields different interpretations.

It also is worth saying that The Dark Night draws parallels with Frank Miller's interpretation of the Batman.

I know I'm probably steering away from the point you were making, but you could have chosen a better Batman than George Clooney. Great actor, worst Batman. Probably would have been better off with Michael Keaton (he made two), or even Val Kilmer.

But as to what the post was actually about, I do see what you mean. It really isn't a fair comparison. Who you liked more is just a matter of tastes really. I still think Heath Ledger blew Jack Nicholson out of the water, but that's because I always thought of Batman as a dark, gritty story. So, naturally, I thought that Heath's Joker was amazing. And I may be wrong, but wasn't the original Batman also a dark, gritty story (not referring to the cartoons, but the story when it first came out)?

He was a sociopathic killer, but this is 1940 we are talking about. Keep in mind the time frame and the environment.

The comparison was just meant to point out the absurdity of comparing. Nothing more. I personally liked Clooney as Batman, but I also looooved Jim Carey as The Riddler.

But fuck The Joker, give me Harley Quin. 😁

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[quote=Keel]heath ledger's portrayal was just more realistic while nichalsons was a...spot light for an old fogei which would look good on his reseme lol

Lol, que? Jack Nicholson an old fogey who needs to bolster his resume? If he had only made One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest, he would still be seen as one of the greatest modern actors. If you want an insane character, watch The Shining.

wat i meant was for nichalson to do joker...sure it was good acting...but it still wasn't the joker...it was nichalson up and down...i'm not doubting his acting either cus it's quite obvious he's really good(the departed like a mother fo)it's just jack's portrayal was as honest to the comic as the dbz movie is going to b honest to the anime...(white boi playing goku and a skinny turtle hermit)

I think you're wrong. I remember watching the oooooollllld batman and thinking that Nicholson took it to another level.

I don't think The Dark Night would have as far spread appreciation 20 years ago. It's a different time. Just like the new Superman. The older Superman movies fit the time period perfectly, and the new one was very similar to the old one, and was not as well recieved by the modern audience. IDK, the context of the film must also be addressed when comparing films.

It's like comparing Adam West to George Clooney to Christian Bale. Different context yields different interpretations.

It also is worth saying that The Dark Night draws parallels with Frank Miller's interpretation of the Batman.[/quote]

Well thats just a big fat DUH on the Frank Miller point. You definitly can't argue that...mostly because of the spin on the batmobile...

But if you wanna get into the whole time period thing then you really can't compare anyof this...exept for the fact that batman got good ratings and the new batman movie got ratings so good that a critic that argues with that is commiting career suicide. Now to be more specific i'm comparing Jack Nichalson's joker to
the Killing Joke Joker, since this comic and that batman movie came out around the same time, and The New Adventures of Batman since your used to the old batman as you said. Now The New Adventures of Batman is a a cheesy version of the original comic book back when Superman and Batman were the Best of friends and batman would help scooby doo and the gang.

The Killing Joke showed one of the most refrence back stories of joker...ever...so besides the scarey resemblane to nichalson that even a blind man can see Jack showed no resemblance to the cartoon verrsion of the joker mostly becasue dc....Scrapped that version of joker and pretty much that version of every super hero and villian when they established the multiverse so of course he took it to the next level....there really wasn't really much of a platform at this time tobegin with so it's safe to say arnold's freeze would have been a good rendition around this time. Besides all this the killing joke Joker and Jack Nichalson's joker were allll different. "The killing Joker" pulled off paralizing batgirl and jack nichalson's did...nada. Yes you can blame it on the script but all i'm pointing out is that the joker in the movie did nothing Joker like so how can he be established as a good joker. and it's not just jack in this movie... Heck to be honest I THOUGHT TIM BERTON'S BATMAN ATE ASS...yes i kno...blasphemy...but nothing really screamed batman it's just that it had good actors to cover up the wierd edward scisor hands feeling.so in the end.
Jack Nichalson = Good Actor
Jack Nichalson's Joker = Shitty movie that has an uneeded fan basis
Heath Ledger= Good young Actor
Heath Ledger's Joker= a wierd ass Joker that interestingly enough i thought was true to the character. Not enough jokes or Haha funny but you have to be honest...do your really think if he was real that you would laugh at his jokes ne ways?

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^You missed my point, and essentially reiterated it while contradicting yourself at the same time.

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no i didn't...i iterated your point...to reiterate is to iterate what has allready been iterated so 🤢

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^You missed my point, and essentially reiterated it while contradicting yourself at the same time.

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no i didn't...i iterated your point...to reiterate is to iterate what has allready been iterated so 🤢

You should read a book... in order to founder your grasp of the english language... 🙄 😛

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^You missed my point, and essentially reiterated it while contradicting yourself at the same time.

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no i didn't...i iterated your point...to reiterate is to iterate what has allready been iterated so 🤢

You should read a book... in order to founder your grasp of the english language... 🙄 😛

i don't like you much...at all...and that was actually correct and is a mistake somuch in the englishlanguage...iterate is to repeat so to reiterate is to repeat what has been repeated...thats ok tho...

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The Joker is the joker, not a deranged dark emo psychopathic killer.
If he was, he would've been called the crow.

Jack wins this one, hands down.

I agree with this.

While Heath Ledger's Joker was really good, its just not how the original character is supposed to be. He's not supposed to be that dark, deranged emo kind of character. Also I'm not sure that the Joker being portrayed more as a human is a good thing.
In my eyes the Joker was always very misterious and sort of supernatural, always managing to survive situations which no normal human could, even if he wasn't given any super-powers.

Jack Nicolson's portrayal on the other hand was just amazing. He had that insane kind of humor that the joker always did. Remember that long barreled revolver he pulled out of his pants? Also his laugh was just perfect.
In my opinion the comic book and the TV Joker's personalities were portrayed perfectly on to the big screen. Even his death at the end of the movie was perfect (when he died he was still laughing via a voice recorder or something - it was just freaky).

Finally I will point out that the Joker's cheeks are not supposed to be cut into a smile.

In the comics, during the 60s, the Joker was portrayed as just a noob criminal harmless and a joker (due to censorship), but later on writers made the Joker into what he is portrayed as today, a deranged sociopath with no concern for humanity. Heath Ledger's Joker is actually much more accurate portrayal of the character. Here I am not comparing Jack Nicholson or Heath Ledger, I'm just saying that the Jack Nicholson Joker was not what the comic book Joker really is. The Joker was never emo, but he was always an insane sociopath who's life pretty much revolves around Batman. The Joker is kind of the foil for Batman, and his crimes are committed because he loves to tangle with Batman. That is pretty much the Joker's main motive for committing destruction and mayhem because he loves to fight Batman. The only thing that Heath is missing from his Joker is the crazy schemes and devices that causes madness and mayhem 😛 .

As for the cut cheeks, that seems a bit more realistic because no one can stretch their mouths into the wideass smile that the comicbook joker has. Besides, the new Batman movies never really followed closely with the comics.

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[quote=ahoaho]^You missed my point, and essentially reiterated it while contradicting yourself at the same time.

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no i didn't...i iterated your point...to reiterate is to iterate what has allready been iterated so 🤢

You should read a book... in order to founder your grasp of the english language... 🙄 😛

i don't like you much...at all...and that was actually correct and is a mistake somuch in the englishlanguage...iterate is to repeat so to reiterate is to repeat what has been repeated...thats ok tho...[/quote]

iterate-: to say or do again or again and again
reiterate-: to state or do over again or repeatedly sometimes with wearying effect
according to Merriam Webster Dictionary

based on this, it would seem that reiterate was in fact the correct word as the underlying emotion of what ahoaho is trying to say (as far as i can tell) is that you are repeating him needlessly, which is were i see the wearying effect come into play. but either way its a stupid point because they mean virtually the same thing. and the English language is full of stupid things that don't make a whole lot of sense, so its no use arguing over this one.

On topic: as far as ledger vs nicholson is concerned, ledger by far. obviously the director took some artistic license with how he wanted the joker to be portrayed but ledger delivered a much better performance. and the Glasgow smile was awesome, helped define his persona in the film so i thought. (if nicholson was as good in his batman movie as he was in the shining then that would have been creepy(in a good way lol))

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He was a sociopathic killer, but this is 1940 we are talking about. Keep in mind the time frame and the environment.

The comparison was just meant to point out the absurdity of comparing. Nothing more. I personally liked Clooney as Batman, but I also looooved Jim Carey as The Riddler.

But fuck The Joker, give me Harley Quin. 😁

Agreed, Jim Carey is what made that movie fairly enjoyable, but I still prefer Val Kilmer over George Clooney as Batman. And I know why you showed them as examples, I was just being silly and saying how I didn't like George Clooney as Batman. Oh, and props for the Harley Quinn pic. It would have been cool to see her in a movie, but her character probably wouldn't have fit in the Dark Knight's setting.

Back to the topic, I don't know how people didn't see his sick humor (Heath's Joker). Personally, I got a kick out of almost everything he did (not the killing). The way he presented himself was definitely humorous. Or at least I saw it that way. And why are people calling him emo? He definitely wasn't emo. I think the meaning of the word emo has gone through so many changes that it's really unfair to call anyone emo.

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He was a sociopathic killer, but this is 1940 we are talking about. Keep in mind the time frame and the environment.

The comparison was just meant to point out the absurdity of comparing. Nothing more. I personally liked Clooney as Batman, but I also looooved Jim Carey as The Riddler.

But fuck The Joker, give me Harley Quin. 😁

Agreed, Jim Carey is what made that movie fairly enjoyable, but I still prefer Val Kilmer over George Clooney as Batman. And I know why you showed them as examples, I was just being silly and saying how I didn't like George Clooney as Batman. Oh, and props for the Harley Quinn pic. It would have been cool to see her in a movie, but her character probably wouldn't have fit in the Dark Knight's setting.

Back to the topic, I don't know how people didn't see his sick humor (Heath's Joker). Personally, I got a kick out of almost everything he did (not the killing). The way he presented himself was definitely humorous. Or at least I saw it that way. And why are people calling him emo? He definitely wasn't emo. I think the meaning of the word emo has gone through so many changes that it's really unfair to call anyone emo.

George Clooney was completely wrong for Batman in my opinion (not to mention the movie he was in was god awful).

I love Harley too. Doubt there's much chance of ever seeing her in the Nolan films anymore though.

And yes, Ledger's joker was in my opinion hilarious. I laughed almost every time he was on screen (then again I have a kind of twisted sense of humor).

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I couldn't choose even with a gun in my face.
Or maybe I'd go with Cesar Romero.

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Well it seems at least we can all agree that Jim Carey made a kick ass Riddler. lol

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I couldn't choose even with a gun in my face.
Or maybe I'd go with Cesar Romero.

Ha I responded to this but it got deleted.

Oh, irony, thou art a cruel mistress.

In any case, I agree whole heartedly with your assessment.

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