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Well as for Gaara, his was definitely sad, Neji's was just unfortunate, he was born into it, and I don't doubt there were more like him in the Hyuuga clan. I don't really see Kakashi's past being that sad other than the thing about Obito. As for Naruto, he didn't grow up with a huge deep hatred in his heart because well, he didn't really lose anyone, so he doesn't really know that same feeling that Sasuke did, he mostly felt loneliness and isolation, but not to the extent that Gaara felt.

Kakashi's past haven't been shown that much but his "They are all dead" when he talks about the people close to him is quite sad, you can't deny that.
As for Naruto, living that way all your childhood is hell by itself. He did get to meet good people like Iruka sensei, but so did Sasuke too.

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Sasuke's reasons for revenge are, like he said himself even in this chapter (though not in exact words), childish and overly emotional.

Yeah, basically that, and that doesn't speak well of him.

Naruto's past is actually a lot worse than Sasuke's like Gaara's as well. growing up being despised for something you didn't do and not knowing any love can be a worse off thing than growing up with it at some point. Sasuke had at least a chance at a good childhood, before his tragedy. Naruto and Gaara didn't only saving grace for someone like Gaara was he at least knew who his family was, Naruto didn't have any idea of it. and considering everything now it just makes Sasuke seem even more petty.

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Kakashi's past was probably the saddest out of the people Tsu mentioned. First he lost his father to suicide, who was on the same level as the Three Sannin and really respected, but because he didn't abide by the rules on some mission, he got 'boo-ed' out by the village, and that led him to commit suicide because of disgrace.

From that day onward, Kakashi made a promise to himself, that no matter what, he'll always follow the rules. Obito made him snap out of that thinking though, but unfortunately died himself. And then he lost his (admirable) team captain, the Yondaime. Who knows where Rin is... Probably deceased too.

So, he too lost bonds, like Sasuke.

Gaara was pretty much neglected, and got assasination attempts from the supposed people that loved him (his father and uncle). That traumatized him deeply. Naruto was alone since the beginning, always being shunned by everyone. And Neji lost his father to something trivial, which he held a grudge for towards the main family.

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well if someone did somethin to me or my family...i would want revenge on them but i wouldnt hurt innocent ppl unless they were part of it but than they wouldnt be innocent anymore. so i kno sasuke has a good reason for his revenge but he shouldnt kill every1 in the village cuz they didnt kno bout this...only the 3elders knew and the 3rd hokage.

sasuke had his tragic past and so did naruto (who doesnt kno anythin bout his family, and was hated by every1...remember sakura hated him too)

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Look man, the two of us have a core difference in how we view revenge so we will never be able to agree. I think revenge is totally ok, you think its bad no matter what.

I still don't think he's a bad guy. Orochimaru seems like a guy who attacked Konoha for no real reason. Thats a bad guy to me: someone who attacks people unprovoked. Sasuke has a perfectly valid reason: they killed his entire family and village. I think you trivialize the act of losing your entire family and everyone like you. If it happened to you I'm pretty sure you'd be nowhere near as calm and willing to just let it go as you suggest Sasuke should be.

Had Konoha never ordered them killed, they wouldn't be in the situation to have hell rained upon them. Thats what makes it "fair". They basically "hit" Sasuke and like i've said, I don't see anything wrong with him hitting them back to a degree where they'll never consider hitting him again and will likely think twice about hitting anyone else.

But different strokes for different folks.

I personally feel that revenge is a horrible thing, no matter how you try to justify it. I can understand when people feel hatred towards someone for taking something precious away from them (sometimes more extreme like in Sasuke's case). However, I think it shows even greater strength to be able to look at someone doing wrong to you, and instead of thinking, "I need to get them back", you say, "I'm stronger than that. I don't need to reciprocate the wrong-doing they did to me." There are very few people like that in this world. I think that's why the truly remarkable people (your Jesus, Mohammad, Confucius, Buddha type of people) are so memorable. They are able to act in ways that normal people wouldn't.

Anyways, putting aside how I feel about revenge, Sasuke's way of thinking is still making him look like a bad guy. Let's say in the unlikely scenario where I accept revenge, there is no way that you can justify putting innocent bystanders in danger just to carry out your revenge. Like someone said earlier, if Sasuke wants revenge for what the elders ordered Itachi to do, then he should just kill the elders. It's not like they had a vote among the citizens about whether Itachi should kill the entire Uchiha clan. The citizens had no part whatsoever in ordering Itachi to kill his clan. For Sasuke to now say he wants to kill the entire village just shows that he is plain bad. No matter what your view is on revenge, anyone can see that killing an entire village when only three people are responsible for Itachi "turning evil" and killing his clan is just plain evil.

Different strokes for different folks.

I'd feel as bad about killing all of the innocent Konohans as Konoha felt about killing all of the innocent Uchihans... which is zip, zero, zilch, nada.

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Have to say even thought this might seem repeated, everyone seems to want a piece of Konoha, no matter who they are and we finally have Sasuke the long list of terrorisers - its like following a pattern. I did like the part about Jiraiya actually penning down a future fic on his disciple, it was kinda touching though cheesy too 😀

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This is random and kinda related to the topic but did you notice that Sasuke's thought's tend to be revealed through images and everyone else's thoughts are shown through voice over? During the fight w/ 8-tails Sasuke has an image of team 7 , which is supposed to mean that he cares for them/ misses them, like he cares for Taka. But he says something totally different to Tobi. But he doesn't trust Tobi, so he could be lying to him. Also, Sasuke's thoughts are never shown clearly so you can't really know. Therefore, he isn't neccesarily feeling the way he says he is. Also he's never killed anyone but Itachi. (remember, he's refused to kill people when he was with Orochimaru and also when he was freeing Jugo.) Why would he start now? He's always kind of known about Itachi so he wouldn't really freak out about it.

Just a thought.

And like what everyone condemns Sasuke for wanting to kill people but everyone loves Gaara who has killed people without any reason whatsoever? "Help me feel alive! Bwa hahahah!"

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not sure if sasuke was serious hope he wasnt if he was then thats pretty wack i hope he is just trying to get on madaras good side and back stab him he did say that he was just using akatsuki so he might actually have a good plan for going to konoha dont think sasuke is the type to go on a killing spree

That's what I'm thinking. Akatsuki has some of the most talented villains in the Naruto universe. Sasuke would be an idiot to not go with the plan of the LEADER of said talented villains. It's not like there's some kind of mind-reading jutsu or anything, so he won't get caught before he can put his true plan to action. Besides, this is Naruto. Nothing's as it seems. Just go look back at all the fights and plans that had twists and turns come out of nowhere.

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And like what everyone condemns Sasuke for wanting to kill people but everyone loves Gaara who has killed people without any reason whatsoever? "Help me feel alive! Bwa hahahah!"

You see, that's where most people got it wrong, Gaara only does the bad things b4 he met with Naruto. What i'm tryin' to say is that b4 he turned over a new leaf, he ain't got nobody beside him to set him straight. Everyone was just scared shitless with him, and keeping that in mind, it wasn't strange to see the cold cruel side of him. But then he met Naruto and somehow was able to realized what he has done wrong and makes amend.

Now, Sasuke on the other hand, was just plain stupid, driven by revenge, it wasn't that hard for some asshole to manipulates him to do their bidding(in this case the Akatsuki). Even with Naruto and Sakura as an emotional support, he was too damn blind with his revenge and "i'm the most sorry ass muthafucka with the saddest past in this manga so nobody can understand me" attitude. See, isn't that stupid. He's lucky that he got an idiot friend like Naruto who still believes in him.

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And like what everyone condemns Sasuke for wanting to kill people but everyone loves Gaara who has killed people without any reason whatsoever? "Help me feel alive! Bwa hahahah!"

You see, that's where most people got it wrong, Gaara only does the bad things b4 he met with Naruto. What i'm tryin' to say is that b4 he turned over a new leaf, he ain't got nobody beside him to set him straight. Everyone was just scared shitless with him, and keeping that in mind, it wasn't strange to see the cold cruel side of him. But then he met Naruto and somehow was able to realized what he has done wrong and makes amend.

Now, Sasuke on the other hand, was just plain stupid, driven by revenge, it wasn't that hard for some asshole to manipulates him to do their bidding(in this case the Akatsuki). Even with Naruto and Sakura as an emotional support, he was too damn blind with his revenge and "i'm the most sorry ass muthafucka with the saddest past in this manga so nobody can understand me" attitude. See, isn't that stupid. He's lucky that he got an idiot friend like Naruto who still believes in him.

LOL but that STILL makes it okay for Gaara to kill people without any reason whatsoever. I get it. So those random retarded genin he killed at the chuunin exams so deserved to die. No Sorry. I'm not really one for dissing characters. And , Sasuke can't possibly be stupid unless kishimoto wants him to be. Since Sasuke is a "cool, intelligent" character, this is unlikely.

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Different strokes for different folks.

I'd feel as bad about killing all of the innocent Konohans as Konoha felt about killing all of the innocent Uchihans... which is zip, zero, zilch, nada.

you point out what chapter it says the whole village hated the Uchiha clan, cause to my knowledge the whole clan was pretty much worshiped as nobles by the people of Konoha. hence why everyone in the village was sort of Sasuke's fanboy. the only people who viewed them as a threat were the higher ups being Sarutobi, Danzou, and the Advisors. so you saying your not going to feel bad when the innocent people of Konoha die for Sasuke's ridiculous reasoning is just absurd.

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LOL but that STILL makes it okay for Gaara to kill people without any reason whatsoever. I get it. So those random retarded genin he killed at the chuunin exams so deserved to die. No Sorry. I'm not really one for dissing characters. And , Sasuke can't possibly be stupid unless kishimoto wants him to be. Since Sasuke is a "cool, intelligent" character, this is unlikely.

i'm not gonna lie what Gaara did in the past was just as inexcusable too. but a lot has changed about him since his introduction though. what he did doesn't go away but at least he's doing what he can for innocent people in his village now. Sasuke on the other hand is looking for more blood to continue his cycle of revenge. even people that are pretty much not involved.

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Sasuke is how he is cuz of the mangaka...so we cant do nothin....we will jus be mad and upset again and again of wat he does. so somehow hope**(hope lol 🤣 , theres no hope) **for the best and *hope * sasuke dies.

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This is random and kinda related to the topic but did you notice that Sasuke's thought's tend to be revealed through images and everyone else's thoughts are shown through voice over? During the fight w/ 8-tails Sasuke has an image of team 7 , which is supposed to mean that he cares for them/ misses them, like he cares for Taka. But he says something totally different to Tobi. But he doesn't trust Tobi, so he could be lying to him. Also, Sasuke's thoughts are never shown clearly so you can't really know. Therefore, he isn't neccesarily feeling the way he says he is. Also he's never killed anyone but Itachi. (remember, he's refused to kill people when he was with Orochimaru and also when he was freeing Jugo.) Why would he start now? He's always kind of known about Itachi so he wouldn't really freak out about it.

Just a thought.

And like what everyone condemns Sasuke for wanting to kill people but everyone loves Gaara who has killed people without any reason whatsoever? "Help me feel alive! Bwa hahahah!"

whos taka o0

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I think you guys are seeing sasuke wrong right now. Upto now, I was hoping "everyone in naruto die plox, esp naruto & sasuke" and "why the hell am i still reading this?" (gave up anime a while ago already) but last 2 chapters finally shed a different light. I could be simply wrong, but I think you guys are missing the subtle point. Sasuke is most likely lying in this chapter. He probably has a different motive, I'd guess something along the lines of what itachi wanted while still having a peice of revenge. It's lot more like his characteristics. Mass kill of konoha is both out of his powers and out of his character.

Why am I saying this? look back to see how he finally got amateratsu. it's attained by supposedly killing your "best friend", ie someone you treasure. After seeing his current team mates in action, he finally realized (woot common sense is so hard to see in this manga) he has lost what was important to him, his old comrades. He's finally feeling remorse and regret of his actions. He's CRYING (I think amateratsu is supposed to symbolize crying - but in blood instead of tears) about his past. He's not gonna suddenly go and kill everyone. There's just no motive. And he has to lie in order to have an upper hand over madara. He's clearly not someone who wants to be madara's pet all his life.

Anyways... that's what I think is happening. But then again, I guess we probably have to wait like 10 weeks to actually find out... 🤢

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