What do mean "The Death Note is more traceable." I could take a trip to the moon and still kill my next door neighbor while doing it if I wanted to. Kira could convince anyone do anything for him simply b/c if they don't, they die. so I don't get why people think that Zero could just walk up to a guy and be like "Kill Kira." when Light could do the same thing w/o even having to use the Note or even tell them in person.

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It's more traceable because you would have a list of names of all the people you killed in the note book. It would be easier to find out that someone has a death note then it would be to find someone with a geass.

Hmm one person can order someone to do one thing, once, given he can look them in the eyes (thus seeing their face). The other can kill any person given a face and name, can trade half his life span so they can see the name of every person they see, and can order anyone they are killing to do anything physically possible before their death. So they both can order people around theoretically if they see their face, just one can do it at a distance and give multiple orders given they kill the person in the end. The kicker is Zero, who clearly got the short end of the stick in terms of powers surrounds himself with a ton of followers that are VERY aware that he is Zero (maybe not his student identity, but how is that important?), where as Kira is known by umm . . . one other person, who is either followed by a death god that will kill anyone that tries to harm her, or will be killed the second she is a threat to Kira (depending what time you want to take the story from, and I consider Death Note ending the second L dies, you know when it was SUPPOST to end >.>). Lastly how easy is it to hide their respective abilities? All Kira has to do is hide a small notebook that can easily be taken apart and hidden in pieces, or overlooked by searchers. Zero doesnt have to do a god damn thing . . . except hide the fact that his eye has a giant ****ing glowing bird on it . . . (oops my contact came out!), oh ya, and ignoring the fact that everyone that Zero uses his powers on came in direct contact with him, where as Kira can either read about them, see them on TV, meet them, and so on. So far Kira has the advantage in isolation (which in this case is a good thing), powers, and covertness . . take a wild guess who would be most likely to win.

Note: This is assuming Zero doesnt order someone to blow up Japan, cause if he does, he clearly would be the winner

Edit: Anyone who thinks a notebook is easy to find just because it has the names of the people you killed is easy to find, think about this. In a city of 1 million people, there is one notebook in unknown condition, in unknown pieces, in an unknown place held by an unknown person, given this information how easy do you think it would be to find? Now change city to country and up the population.

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I never said it was easy to find someone who has a Death note I just said it was easier than finding someone with a geass. Also as we have seen Kira would first start killing people in his area or people he has came into contact with so his location could be narrowed down He is the arrogant type that wants people to know of his existence so he will kill in some sort of pattern. Someone could piece together how they were killed and the locations. I don't think he will stay completely anonymous if he wanted to lure Zero out.

if its hard to find kira, how could he and L meet each other, if it were lelouch instead of L, kira is defeated already.

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I never said it was easy to find someone who has a Death note I just said it was easier than finding someone with a geass. Also as we have seen Kira would first start killing people in his area or people he has came into contact with so his location could be narrowed down He is the arrogant type that wants people to know of his existence so he will kill in some sort of pattern. Someone could piece together how they were killed and the locations. I don't he will stay completely anonymous if he wanted to lure Zero out.

My point wasnt that it was hard to find the notebook, its that its impossible. Death Note while a good manga/anime had a number of points where Light could have easily made it impossible to be discovered/ found out. When dealing with such a vast number of people there are going to be 10,000's of individuals that would fit Kira's potential personalities (yes there is more than one reason a person would purge criminals), basic schedule (ya know, students aren’t the only ones with those "work" hours right?), and live in the same bloody region . . or more.

Mind you it is true that Zero has a much greater sense of self preservation than Kira does, which would help him, and that Light isnt NEARLY as smart as hes portrayed as being, in fact if anything hes kind of a moron common sense wise.

@Domonkazu: Not much of a plot if they didnt let Kira and L duke it out, but its true I cant deny the fact that if Kira is as stupid as he was in the manga he would get killed, simply because he wouldn't take the obviously better root in dealing with confrontations

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Lelouch rides in a mecha, only a hand full of people know who he really is, has geass and plus has a mask on which covers his face =P... this is Lights loss. Plus im sure it would take a damn long time to write down his full name in the note book lol.

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Also as we have seen Kira would first start killing people in his area or people he has came into contact with so his location could be narrowed down.

That was just because he was experimenting though. He didn't actually know if the Death Note worked. Also, we're talking here about a Light that wouldn't make such a foolish mistake; so the Light after L died.

That mistake was only found out, because L was on the case. And he's exceptionally smart, who is trained to notice such things. He's been a detective for how many years? It's the same thing as Lelouch has been trained in battle strategies/chess games. Light wouldn't win in a chess game against Lelouch, since that's one of his favorite activities.

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He is the arrogant type that wants people to know of his existence so he will kill in some sort of pattern. Someone could piece together how they were killed and the locations. I don't think he will stay completely anonymous if he wanted to lure Zero out.

He only did that, because he wanted to lure out L. If he wanted to lure out Zero, he could kill his most trusted crew first. The name Kouzuki Kallen can be easily found, as Xing-Ke demonstrated. Actually, almost all the other names too. Since Xing-Ke says he's interested in the Black Knights, he must know some of the other names like Toudou, Lakshata and Diethard.

Light could kill them all with one sentence. And Lelouch could have never made it this far without his crew.

Hell, Light can even kill Suzaku, and the Emperor with them. -.-

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What do mean "The Death Note is more traceable." I could take a trip to the moon and still kill my next door neighbor while doing it if I wanted to.

It's more simple to deduce that a supernatural phenomenon is occurring when thousands of criminals start inexplicably dying of heart attacks than it is to assume that a particularly infamous terrorist has a supernatural ability that lets him issue absolute commands. Not that either are simple, but one is clearly much more obvious.

Kira could convince anyone do anything for him simply b/c if they don't, they die. so I don't get why people think that Zero could just walk up to a guy and be like "Kill Kira." when Light could do the same thing w/o even having to use the Note or even tell them in person.

Once again, you're overlooking two things. The first is that Zero's identity is virtually impossible for Light to discover- he's not going to be like L and reveal himself because he's a terrorist, and his mask prevents the shinigami eyes from doing anything. No name, no face, no Death Note. When the information is available and you have a massive information network, eventually you'll come to a similar conclusion as L, and even if it wasn't Lelouch who did so, he has plenty of other intelligent people in his employ.

The second is that Kira cannot issue commands without revealing his identity (again, he was caught when he tried to), so he really can't do anything other than, as Dr. Love suggests, arbitrarily start killing all of the Black Knights. Even then though, he's incapable of killing C.C., who is the only one that could potentially reveal Zero's true identity.

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Of course it's easier to figure out that criminals, despots, and warlords are dying of some supernatural phenomenon, but there's no way to tell who is doing it, whether there are multiple people or just one, how exactly does it work, etc.

And I find it hard to think that Light would overlook the obviousness of the Geass when people who meet this particular terrorist start spontaneously acting OOC.

Once again, you're overlooking two things. The first is that Zero's identity is virtually impossible for Light to discover- he's not going to be like L and reveal himself because he's a terrorist, and his mask prevents the shinigami eyes from doing anything. No name, no face, no Death Note. When the information is available and you have a massive information network, eventually you'll come to a similar conclusion as L, and even if it wasn't Lelouch who did so, he has plenty of other intelligent people in his employ.

The second is that Kira cannot issue commands without revealing his identity (again, he was caught when he tried to), so he really can't do anything other than, as Dr. Love suggests, arbitrarily start killing all of the Black Knights. Even then though, he's incapable of killing C.C., who is the only one that could potentially reveal Zero's true identity.

You all seem to forget that Light rarely gives out commands in person, the only person he did was Takami who was Kira's avatar (and he didn't have much of a choice anyway) and Misa who was always with him.

Also people think that it will be as easy to single out Light as L did, but they forget that even after Light killed L's agents (which he would probably do to anyone Lelouch sends after him) L still had a suspect list a few pages long and even he was only able to single out Light b/c he was an excellent criminal profiler. I doubt Lelouch has had as much training as L has to figure out Light fits the profile of Kira to a T.

Also as was said before Lelouch lets his emotions get the better of him, so it would be quite easy for Kira to make his life a living hell until he eventually slips up, and then kills him.

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I'll concede the emotional point (although the only way to really affect Lelouch is to kill Nunnally, and he would already have to know Zero's identity for that), but I'm confused as to how Light not giving orders actually helps your argument. When he does give orders (to Mikami and the news girl) they end up being one of the primary things that defeats him, so his ability to "force anyone to do anything" doesn't particularly matter if he can't reveal himself.

I still don't see how a Geass is obvious at all- the only two bizarre instances that could indicate its presence are Orange-kun's craziness at the beginning (which was explained by him being called Orange-kun), and the incident with Euphemia that looked like a planned trap rather than something Zero did. However, the point remains that Light's power (and therefore trump card) is by far the more obvious of the two, to the point that it makes up his identity rather than serving as a tool.

Lelouch doesn't need as much training as L because he has a better information network and a large personnel base that consists of people like Diethard who are perfectly capable of making deductions on their own. Honestly, L's initial logic was fairly simple (find the location of the first criminal -> verify that the suspect is there -> narrow down based on additional evidence, tests, and mistakes -> confront suspect), and if there was an information leak that allowed Kira to kill the black knights, the suspects are easily narrowed down. I'm not saying it's simple, and in fact both Light and L are probably slightly more intelligent than Lelouch, but the difference is small enough that it shouldn't matter.

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Lelouch doesn't need as much training as L because he has a better information network and a large personnel base that consists of people like Diethard who are perfectly capable of making deductions on their own. Honestly, L's initial logic was fairly simple (find the location of the first criminal -> verify that the suspect is there -> narrow down based on additional evidence, tests, and mistakes -> confront suspect), and if there was an information leak that allowed Kira to kill the black knights, the suspects are easily narrowed down. I'm not saying it's simple, and in fact both Light and L are probably slightly more intelligent than Lelouch, but the difference is small enough that it shouldn't matter.

That's where my earlier point of "Light had the world under his thumb" comes into play. Everyone seems to think that Light's resources were merely limited to a handful of people when he was only limited to those specific few b/c the SPK as well as his second identity as L gave him little flexibility.

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I think kira can sneak into the black knight, collect information about Zero and when he suspicious, he put the death note somewhere safe and released the death note so he will forget everything..So even Zero use the geass power to know light identity, he wouldn't remember and then light will somehow will get his death note back since he already plan before he memory loss and kill Zero..

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I'd like to point out that none of Light's enemies had any trouble guessing he was Kira. Rather, they accomplished that quite early and then spent the next dozen or so chapters trying to prove he was Kira. Lelouch wouldn't hesitate like that, he has no problem with a few innocents dying for the greater good and isn't as hung up on justice.

Bottom line, when L dragged Light in and began questioning, Lelouch would just have someone shoot him, or use geass on the first meeting to pull all the data out of Light's head. Also, Lelouch could make anyone suspected of knowing Kira reveal everything about Kira to himself or anyone.

Lelouch isn't as humane as either of Light's enemies, that fact that L wanted to prove Light was Kira before killing him was the only thing that gave Light half a chance. If L or near had just acted on their suspicions it would have been over.

I don't think lelouch would randomly anyone like you said and I don't think lelouch would suspect light at the first meeting..He can just kill anyone that know his identity to keep its secret..

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