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I would just ask if you could redo creation all over again what would you do? Would you make it perfect, like with no pollution, and green grass, no hole in the ozone.... Would you make it so there was no pain, and sufferning? Would you make it so that there was no aids epidemic? no diseases at all. Would you make it so that there was no food shortages and there was a perfect unconditional love and so on and so forth? Well thats exactly how God made the world. It was paradise and it was perfect. Unfortunately a pair of people made a really poor choice and infected this world with a plague called sin...

If I had to do creation over again it'd be a lot like the world we have currently. I might get rid of life-ruining diseases like AIDS, and I'd fix-up that ozone because it represents an impending danger that could really screw everything up. However, I'd have to say this is better than Adam and Eve's so-called "paradise".

Adam and Eve started-out with the best of everything; perfect to them is not anything great, it is just the way things are. As such, these supreme pleasures probably became boring to Adam and Eve. The first two humans were probably incredibly depressed. You gotta have the earthly bad things to appreciate the good things.

But wait, this is the garden of eden, shouldn't Adam and Eve just be blessed with happiness? Bah, happiness from what? A continuous flow of happy chemicals? How is that the ideal life? If being perpetually happy is the ideal life, than why don't we just remove our consciousness and plug ourselves into tubes of happiness-related brain chemicals! Personally, if I were Adam and Eve, I'd choose the intellectual life over their pseudo-happy existence any day. That's right, I'd eat the apple, just to find out what would happen. 😃

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Quote from Zubz313

Unfortunately a pair of people made a really poor choice and infected this world with a plague called sin.

Gee...so god's creation wasn't so perfect, was it?? 🙄

I mean, really....if he's such a perfect creator, surely he could have made people who would understand why not to eat the apple, and not do it, right? So I would say, in this instance, "god made a really poor choice".

But wait, he's PERFECT so he can't have made a poor choice, so he WANTED them to screw up, therefore it was GOD'S decision that they sin. Afterall, he's all-seeing and all-knowing, so he had to know what would happen.

And there you have one of the many reasons I reject the Christian version of god. 😀

"[English] not only borrows words from other languages; it has on occasion chased other languages down dark alley-ways, clubbed them unconscious and rifled their pockets for new vocabulary."
-James Nicoll, can.general, March 21, 1992

There are so many things in the bible taht just contradict each other. So many logical things about god in the bible that contradict each other. But explaining that to this narc isn't going to wotk. He's on a mission. So if we continue to argue with him about god it just gives him more excuses to post here. If noone replies we can actually end this since he can't triple post 🙂

@Loupiotte My usual flaming is just meant as a high spirited argument most of the time teasing pervs or other such people. I don't actually feel any hatred to those people but this guy pisses me off to a whole new level. You see that post of mine above Bull Jesus' Well that post was originally a long superflame. I took it down after 2 miutes cause quite frankly it might have gotten me banned. On top of that I would probably be visited by a group of mild mannered christian wanting to burn me at the stake for blasphemy and being a warlock or something. I toned my hatred down and wrote as calm a post as I could. The first one had way too many expletives. Narc is a compliment compared to some of the stuff I said. Oh well. Stop replying to him directly and maybe he'll pack up and hit some satanist websites and try to preach there. Hehe 😛

Unfortunately a pair of people made a really poor choice and infected this world with a plague called sin.

Actually, this isn't correct. EVE is the one who "made a really poor choice." Of course the woman, who was also made after Adam (as an afterthought, perhaps?), is the person to blame for all things evil. When you look at the Bible, it's really kind of sad about the number of patriarchal happenings that occur.

Oh, and is it just me, or does the story of Adam and Eve sound strangely like the Greek story of Pandora? Woman goes against an order due to curiosity which causes the woman to unleash evil upon the world. Now, the majour question: is the story of Adam and Eve an original, or is Eve just Pandora in a new setting?

And then there's the whole inner message of submission to God and the state of ignorance. Why would God fear intelligence unless he feared that his grip upon humanity would be destroyed? Keeping people in the dark is the easiest way to manipulate them, since you can feed them little lies or half-truths that they will believe whole-heartedly.

And on a slightly different note, you get to the contradictions of God himself. How can a being be all powerful? It's not possible. The question that make it obvious: Can God make a rock that he cannot lift? If he cannot, he is not all-powerful. If he can, he is not all-poweful. It's a lose-lose situation. The whole omniscient thing doesn't really help, either. If God is omniscient and all-powerful, then he should be able to see his future decisions/actions. If he knows his future, can he change it? If he can, he is not omniscient. If he can't, then he's not all-powerful. Plus, I doubt that Hell, Satan, or "evil" would exist (assuming that the Bible is true) if such a being was in control of everything. If God did see what these things would cause (the suffering, the torment of innocents merely for not agreeing with a certain religion, etc), then God is not benevolent. God would be no different from Hitler (both rule with fear, both threaten death/torture if one is noncompliant, both honour submission and ignorance while hoarding power, etc), if he (God, not Hitler. -_-; ) actually exists.

Something tells me that I should stay away from this forum for a while. The subject tends make me a bit verbose. ._. Read at your own risk.

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My usual flaming is just meant as a high spirited argument most of the time teasing pervs or other such people.

I know, that's what makes it so much fun in the first place: you always end up being all nice 🤣
And as i'm one of the pervs, i've already been targeted.

Too bad i missed your previous post, you edited it 2 minutes before i read it... (I admit your "fear of being banned" makes me really curious!!) 😃

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Something tells me that I should stay away from this forum for a while. The subject tends make me a bit verbose. ._. Read at your own risk.

We all should, we just can't resist as we are such imperfect creations..

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And as i'm one of the pervs, i've already been targeted.

Too bad i missed your previous post, you edited it 2 minutes before i read it... (I admit your "fear of being banned" makes me really curious!!) 😃

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Something tells me that I should stay away from this forum for a while. The subject tends make me a bit verbose. ._. Read at your own risk.

We all should, we just can't resist as we are such imperfect creations..

Oh that's right you're the shotacon.
😲 😲
Haha. You're right most of those things are just passing time. But this is different.

Hmmm... I kept a copy of the first draft and then the second one which was up for like two minutes. Wanna see?

We can still post here just don't adress "he who must know nothing" and he'll go away. Shoofly don't bother me. 😛 Yet another kunundrum by loupiotte. Are you French or something btw(cause of your name)?

I'm fleeing too 🙂

Listen luisalirio84, even though I hate this kinda of subject with a passion. The only one who gets in trouble when you act that way is you. And no, anymore flaming will only get you in trouble, and I will not lock this thread. As long as everybody else's posts are courteous of course.
My total disagreement with Christianity and zubz does not give me the right to keep him from voicing his opinion as long as he does it in a civil manner. On the other hand, if you keep this going, I'm going to have to do something about you.

Calm down people......All the action was already made in the Holy War, there's not need for another one.

hey....does that mean this thread will go on forever? Since no one knows truly whether God exist or not. I'll be famous. 🤣

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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

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We can still post here just don't adress "he who must know nothing" and he'll go away. Shoofly don't bother me. 😛 Yet another kunundrum by loupiotte. Are you fench or something btw?

Must admit you reached the limits of my english, there. I think I might have understood but I'm not too sure. If fench meant French, yes I am. Otherwise, I'll need a translation 🤢

And I don't want to be the target of the mod's "regulation" so I'm just going to cowardly flee... 😢

Let me dare to ask you guys this: What would be the fun left on Earth if God[s] made everything perfect? What would be the excitement of living if no risks are given? God, if God exist[s], probably just wants us not to be bored and kill ourselves. Right?

Or we can stick to the science people's theory about life: Every action must have an opposite reaction. Every thing is causes by something......an object in motion will stay in motion...blah blah blah...duhhhhh.... 🤣

I finished my cheese cake.....but I bought a Roman Apple Cake! 😁 It's amazing. The frosting, the apple, the nuts.

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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic

Quote from Toto

I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

the world we have now is the one we have so stop arguing about how it would be without that or with that, cant you just try to do something with what we have instead.

btw everyone should just hug and make up now i sence some hostility.

gives hugs to everyone belivers and non belivers doesnt matter to me you are still people 🙂

I don't believe in hugging. The combination of your sweat with someone else's sweat.......

Believers are nonbelievers are all equal. Both are to be respected.

The world is also the same. With the same kind of people complaining about the same thing. Just because time passed does not directly imply people have changed.

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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

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Let me dare to ask you guys this: What would be the fun left on Earth if God[s] made everything perfect? What would be the excitement of living if no risks are given? God, if God exist[s], probably just wants us not to be bored and kill ourselves. Right?

Up to a point, I agree with you, but there are some "risks" I would just as soon do without - people who are honestly nice & good people getting terrible diseases (cancer, alzheimers, etc.), babies born with awful defects/conditions/diseases, people being victims of horrendous crimes through no fault of their own, and so on.

"[English] not only borrows words from other languages; it has on occasion chased other languages down dark alley-ways, clubbed them unconscious and rifled their pockets for new vocabulary."
-James Nicoll, can.general, March 21, 1992

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Let me dare to ask you guys this: What would be the fun left on Earth if God[s] made everything perfect? What would be the excitement of living if no risks are given? God, if God exist[s], probably just wants us not to be bored and kill ourselves. Right?

Up to a point, I agree with you, but there are some "risks" I would just as soon do without - people who are honestly nice & good people getting terrible diseases (cancer, Alzheimer's, etc.), babies born with awful defects/conditions/diseases, people being victims of horrendous crimes through no fault of their own, and so on.

If every baby lives, then our values of life would decrease. Us, the living proof, gives us one more reason to live. We have survived as an infant, and we should continue to value our life just because of that. It's like in a stimulation of a computer game, for example, I know game will be much more exciting if no cheat code is entered. It's like type: 'Bigdaddy', a black car with a rocket launcher appears and destroys your enemy base in less than 20 seconds.

I don't want to sound inhumane or cruel, but this is a fact of life.
Of course, God forbids anything happen to those babies.

Besides, if you follow a scientific point of view. Birth defects are not causes by evil spirits or Pandora's box. It is a biological cause.

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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

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gives hugs to everyone belivers and non belivers doesnt matter to me you are still people 🙂

You included? With the avatar you've taken?!? Urgh! Not even on my dead body! 😛
And yes I'm back, told you I couldn't refrain my curiosity. Moreover, Savantsage's been using bait with his cheesecake and applecake. Cheater.
😀
Ok, I agree to make up with everyone but please, no hugs!!

More on topic, isn't Pandora's box as well as the apple supposed to symbolize Knowledge? So basically, what is being punished in both cases is the thirst for answers. And it's a patriarchal order that forbids women to reach for it... Doesn't it ring a bell? Not so much change over the centuries.