well those 13 pages are way to much for me to read right about now...my two cents is that.....

Believing in god is a leap of faith. If something bad goes wrong people blame the devil. if something good happens it is a miracle. the extreme religious fanatics will say that it was God's will when something bad happens. in either case i don't think one can prove his existence completely

IMO if he helps some but doesn't others that would make him biased and an unjust god.(and don't give me he answers prayers crap. some people get blessed and others get screwed over. people getting killed for no reason don't get blessed if they are dead ) Frankly i don't think this just God people worship would interfere with the world that spiritual people would call an "example of sin". it's contradictory.

Along those lines i will have to say that i don't support religion or the church at all for the most part. "Christians" and the like are 90% of the time hypocrites. Plus there is nowhere in the bible that it says you must go to church or practice a certain religion to be saved.

any true spiritual person will say that salvation is based on your acceptance of jesus as the savior, or God the father if you discredit jesus, etc.

frankly religion can be good for some people. i must admit i just about hate it right now. i was raised religiously and in turn just like anything else got sick of it. there is such a thing as to much God

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Do i believe in god? i voted no. well first off all the most religions say that god watches over us and knows if we have done or good. Knows whether we have prayed or not.
How we he know if he really existed. I'm the one thats believes in science, evolution etc. and finds the belief of god(s) ridiculous. Whatever floats your boat i guess. i really dun care what others think.

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Do i believe in god? i voted no. well first off all the most religions say that god watches over us and knows if we have done or good. Knows whether we have prayed or not.
How we he know if he really existed. I'm the one thats believes in science, evolution etc. and finds the belief of god(s) ridiculous. Whatever floats your boat i guess. i really dun care what others think.

well the saying goes he is all powerful and sees all. it would make sense for him to know whether we have done something or not. i will admit i don't fully agree with it. theoretically it is impossible for someone or thing to be at all places at all times.

the same can be said about evolution though. i mean really. millions of years ago we were fish? lmao. that is ridiculous. microevolution i believe in but that other mumbo jumbo can kiss my ass. for one thing there is no proof. and i find it quite funny that a bone with dirt on it is magically millions of years old. when it comes to dating, after a while they just add zeros. it doesn't help that no one was alive at these mystical times that scientist talk about. of course i am not saying i believe in creation either. any logical thinking person will disagree with both sides. hell evolution and the like is a religion on its own. its all a leap of faith.

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Ahah this question is like a bomb, one wrong word and everything blows up.
I can happily say I DO believe that a God exist however I am not following any religion really... I quit going to church a looong time ago. God as in just some being who is always there "watching" over if you want to put it that way but I dunno... I don't think God is really anything solid... he's kind of like the force lol...

I guess it's just more comfortable for me that way, to believe that God is there even when he can't be seen or proven to exist.

I think it's hard for people to think of God as real... but I don't really see God as a person more as like...a being... like gravity almost. Eh... it's hard to explain...

Evolution seems much more likely to me than a God, ID, etc. As for whether macroevolution is possible, I find it rather impossible to agree with microoevolution while saying that macroevolution is absurd. I've always seem macroevolution as the product of microevolution. People who believe that microevolution is possible would agree that if two groups of the same species were placed in two different areas (different as in with different environments and different food chains), the two groups would end up with characteristics that would benefit their survival in their particular environment. If this goes on for thousands of years, these two groups of the same species most likely aren't going to share the traits that made them the same species when they were first separated. You'd instead have two completely different species. This is where microevolutionists and macroevolutionists cross paths. Apparently, microevolutionists believe that the two groups would still belong to the same species (as in the new characteristics would not be enough to determine two different species) while macroevolutionists would say otherwise. Meh, this rant is getting tedious. I guess my point is that I just can't understand it when people say that they believe in natural selection (microevolution) but not evolution itself (referring to macroevolution). It seems like a logical leap to me to say that if natural selection does its job for a long enough time you'll find yourself with a new species thousands of years later.

Of course, I'm not saying that evolution is fool-proof. There are quite a few mysteries that I'd like answered (sexual evolution, for example), but I find evolution to be the best supported theory as to how life morphed on Earth.

If anyone needed proof of my lack of a life, here it is. (Well, it's either proof of that or proof of how well I can rant about nothing.) Good luck to anyone who bothers to read it; I won't blame you if you skip out. ^^;

A member[Tachikoma] made a very interesting yet confusing comment about God. Take a look.

http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=943&page=7#post14740

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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

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Although many times people do blame God for the failures and short comings in there own life, God is so much more than that. For me God is my strength my best friend my wisest councelor, and the person I turn to for unconditional love. God loves us all so much it breaks my heart when we think of God as are enemy, especially after all the love he displayed on the cross.

I'm afraid you're quite wrong there Zubz God wasn't the one spiked to the cross and pierced on his side by the longinus lance. Jesus, his "son" was the one suffering while his dad was busy trying to teach Japanese how to draw manga. Do you have telepathic communication with God where you do not need to actually hear his voice? uhh...ever heard of introspection? Even though you might think you're talking to another person within yourself there's no differance between that and masturbating 🤣
oh ya sorry it's considered a sin to do such heinful acts of self violation may those persons burn in the flaming fires of hell!!11 😲
Hi there Savantage we meet again 🙄

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Jesus, his "son" was the one suffering while his dad was busy trying to teach Japanese how to draw manga.

Lol.
Irony is the best answer in this case.
This topic has already been going on for too long and nothing is coming of it. Don't you guys (I'm adressing Savantsage and Zubz313 here) want to drop it?

@Savantsage: sorry, but the fact that you took that other post seriously was excellent!

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Jesus, his "son" was the one suffering while his dad was busy trying to teach Japanese how to draw manga.

Lol.
Irony is the best answer in this case.
This topic has already been going on for too long and nothing is coming of it. Don't you guys (I'm adressing Savantsage and Zubz313 here) want to drop it?

@Savantsage: sorry, but the fact that you took that other post seriously was excellent!

Why would we want to drop it. If you find this topic unsoothing to your eyes, then simply ignore it. Some of us still want to discuss.

A conclusion cannot be reached, unless you want to suggest otherwise....which is unthinkable. 😲

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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

\ \ \ \ \ \ \ <- Storm/Rain
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----- 😢 ---- <- Jesus (Not God)
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\ / \ \ l \ \ \ \ 😢 Maria (Jesus telepathicaly pregnanted mother)
î Longinus lance (No it was not pierced into Adam before)
>:-( >:-( <- angry romans
Keitaro's small illustrative version of the crucifying of Jesus for people who didn't know 😛 very lovable indeed

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Jesus, his "son" was the one suffering while his dad was busy trying to teach Japanese how to draw manga.

Lol.
Irony is the best answer in this case.
This topic has already been going on for too long and nothing is coming of it. Don't you guys (I'm adressing Savantsage and Zubz313 here) want to drop it?

@Savantsage: sorry, but the fact that you took that other post seriously was excellent!

Why would we want to drop it. If you find this topic unsoothing to your eyes, then simply ignore it. Some of us still want to discuss.

A conclusion cannot be reached, unless you want to suggest otherwise....which is unthinkable. 😲

I completely agree with Savantsage not only because he's cheesy special but because as Savantage suggested everyone should be forced to write what they think about religion in an unthinkably ending discussion based on no facts at all.
btw....Is being sarcastic an offence 😕

sarcasm can be taken in the wrong context when used incorrectly.

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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

Then i'll just be serious then ^^ Why are most people ignorant to the fact that "God" is a much too wide word to begin a topic with? Ever heard of the word Kami? and Shintoism? maybe it would be a wiser idea to relate to a otakuish way of thinking. Does Spirited Away ring a bell? God isn't something divine if looked upon from all perspectives. It's just that christians,muslims etc etc believe their god is absolute and superior that they tend to be ignorant to other religions where gods may have many forms Shintoism, Hinduism blablabla be more specific please. More considerate would help in the long run too

.....did you happen to read what this topic is about? It's a poll on whether if God existed or not, in your opinion. Since many people believe many different things, they will answer the question differently with different answers.....

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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

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.....did you happen to read what this topic is about? It's a poll on whether if God existed or not, in your opinion.

Did you read what I just wrote? the word God is too vauge