Believing in God
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we're discussing why we think god exist and doesn't, basically we are on topic.
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Are we disputing if God is the traditional Almighty One sitting on a throne up in heaven or if He's some modern day version similar to Bruce Almighty? @__@
We are discussing a wide range of Topics....all concerning God.
This is so sweet, so far, no one got flamed. 😛 Good sign. Maybe it's the work of God?
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I have a question of those that say God exists, doesn't exist or maybe, how many people have actually gone out and tried to find him? I think it's great if you have an opinion but it would be even better if there was a reason behind it.
Reason? That's silly. Every way you'd find evidence of god would just be explained by science and made worthless (e.g. Anneliese Michel aka Emily Rose). Even philosophy has failed to prove or disprove god. It's a pretty hopeless undertaking.
I would just wonder how scientist would be able to prove and explain the concept of beauty. Why is it that when I look out of my window and see the brightness of the sun, and call it beautiful? Or the raw power of lightning and thunder and call that beautiful? Not to bombard you with questions but I think its a very interesting thing to think about. Don't you.
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Scientists proved how sexuality and attraction of facial features worked. But never the Beauty of Nature. It's chaotic order. It's overwhelming ecosystem interconnected in every way possible.
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i have a point to brought up 😀
Our human-kind is so simple it's not even funny. Whatever we don't get we say it's god that did it, 'till centuries later when scientist can explain it, -sigh-
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Yes believing in god is good. But what pisses me off is when people waste their time and money in churches and other institutions when the search for god should be something that an individual does for himself. I agree with lilchoconut and also Don't spend too much time trying to get into heaven while the here and now passes you by. Just live a morally good life and do what you think is right and if god is that teribble to judge you cause you didn't dedicate your entire life to him and go to church all the time then he's not that much of a god imo.
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@zubz Aesthetics, which could be a whole different topic by itself.
As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods,
They kill us for their sport
- King Lear, Shakespeare
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As simple and barbarous as human are. We are a wonder. We posses consciousness and consciousness.
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i have a point to brought up 😀
Our human-kind is so simple it's not even funny. Whatever we don't get we say it's god that did it, 'till centuries later when scientist can explain it, -sigh-
Wow you are full of great points. I can definitely see where your coming from. I know for a lot of the failures in my own life, I can't help but blame God for it. It's so easy isn't it. But I think it takes something really special when you can see that we are responsible for much of the chaos in our own lives.
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I have a question of those that say God exists, doesn't exist or maybe, how many people have actually gone out and tried to find him? I think it's great if you have an opinion but it would be even better if there was a reason behind it.
Reason? That's silly. Every way you'd find evidence of god would just be explained by science and made worthless (e.g. Anneliese Michel aka Emily Rose). Even philosophy has failed to prove or disprove god. It's a pretty hopeless undertaking.
I would just wonder how scientist would be able to prove and explain the concept of beauty. Why is it that when I look out of my window and see the brightness of the sun, and call it beautiful? Or the raw power of lightning and thunder and call that beautiful? Not to bombard you with questions but I think its a very interesting thing to think about. Don't you.
No prob, it's basically the same question repeated. The scientist would probably say, that based on the person's experiences in life, the person has come to believe a certain standard of "beauty". Person sees something matching that standard, and their brain releases pleasure chemicals. Or something like that.
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Yes believing in god is good. But what pisses me off is when people waste their time and money in churches and other institutions when the search for god should be something that an individual does for himself. I agree with lilchoconut and also Don't spend too much time trying to get into heaven while the here and now passes you by. Just live a morally good life and do what you think is right and if god is that teribble to judge you cause you didn't dedicate your entire life to him and go to church all the time then he's not that much of a god imo.
Well, you raise a very interesting argument. But if you look into the very nature of humanity I think you'll agree that we as humans are very social beings. We depend on each other and we enjoy the concept of fellowship. This is no exception even in the Church which is the body of Christ. We need fellow believers to correct us when we are doing something wrong. We need them when we fall sick and need someone to take care of us. The church is an institution purposely created by God to meet our very social needs. What do you guys think is this a bit off or far fetched?
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basically i have a lot of points to brought up but erm.... this forum is too mature for me that i have to be careful whatever i am going to say for now.
We can't even see what is right and what is wrong. You may think you can differ from right and wrong, but there is a lot of chance you might be doing this wrong but think it's right. By then, you blame god. I hate that, but i am also one of the people who do that 😲
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[quote=Zubz313]I have a question of those that say God exists, doesn't exist or maybe, how many people have actually gone out and tried to find him? I think it's great if you have an opinion but it would be even better if there was a reason behind it.
Reason? That's silly. Every way you'd find evidence of god would just be explained by science and made worthless (e.g. Anneliese Michel aka Emily Rose). Even philosophy has failed to prove or disprove god. It's a pretty hopeless undertaking.
I would just wonder how scientist would be able to prove and explain the concept of beauty. Why is it that when I look out of my window and see the brightness of the sun, and call it beautiful? Or the raw power of lightning and thunder and call that beautiful? Not to bombard you with questions but I think its a very interesting thing to think about. Don't you.
No prob, it's basically the same question repeated. The scientist would probably say, that based on the person's experiences in life, the person has come to believe a certain standard of "beauty". Person sees something matching that standard, and their brain releases pleasure chemicals. Or something like that.[/quote]
Yeah the scientific mind set, doen't exactly leave much room for Faith. But its pretty clear especially in the Bible that it takes faith to recieve God. Hopefully I'm not coursing you into a debate that proves God, because I can't do that. But I will tell you that if What God is saying about our sin and his response to it is true. Don't you think that is worth finding out about.
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[quote=Zubz313]I have a question of those that say God exists, doesn't exist or maybe, how many people have actually gone out and tried to find him? I think it's great if you have an opinion but it would be even better if there was a reason behind it.
Reason? That's silly. Every way you'd find evidence of god would just be explained by science and made worthless (e.g. Anneliese Michel aka Emily Rose). Even philosophy has failed to prove or disprove god. It's a pretty hopeless undertaking.
I would just wonder how scientist would be able to prove and explain the concept of beauty. Why is it that when I look out of my window and see the brightness of the sun, and call it beautiful? Or the raw power of lightning and thunder and call that beautiful? Not to bombard you with questions but I think its a very interesting thing to think about. Don't you.
No prob, it's basically the same question repeated. The scientist would probably say, that based on the person's experiences in life, the person has come to believe a certain standard of "beauty". Person sees something matching that standard, and their brain releases pleasure chemicals. Or something like that.[/quote]
There is beauty in nature, as most of us would agree, but I do think it does depend on so many factors. Lol, are you suggesting that beauty is just beauty, that we simply accept it w/out reason? Because I beg to differ. Perfect example (though may not be very relevant in this topic): The idea of physical beauty has changed over the years.
@chueisha That's why they say the world's a gray area, who can define what is right and what is wrong? Even the law is defined by a majority of human beings, but what makes that right? Just because a whole mass of people believe it's right, doesn't mean it is.
As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods,
They kill us for their sport
- King Lear, Shakespeare
18 years ago
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basically i have a lot of points to brought up but erm.... this forum is too mature for me that i have to be careful whatever i am going to say for now.
We can't even see what is right and what is wrong. You may think you can differ from right and wrong, but there is a lot of chance you might be doing this wrong but think it's right. By then, you blame god. I hate that, but i am also one of the people who do that 😲
Your defintely right that especially in this forum setting that everything you and I say will be scrutinized. But If you would love to talk more about God or even your own experiences dealing with God. I would love to talk with you. I don't believe in stupid or pointless questions especially when dealing with God. I think the real crime is not asking at all.
