Believing in God
18 years ago
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actually. God was going to create all of us or so i think he was going to. But he will decide everything for us ect. Instead Eve ate the apple because she believes in Satan and now we are created but we have to make our own rules and decision.
We are all sinner because we made mother nature cover with red blood, we are all sinner because we are filled with Satan that will soon fill our whole body, we are all sinner because we have greed and selfish.
18 years ago
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This is tiring, anyone from any other religion beside Christianity, Judaism and such?
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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic
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18 years ago
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Lol@chu God CREATED us. He made us and injected curiosity into our blood. If he can foresee the future, why then did he do it? Maybe he wanted to test Eve, fine. Why didn't he kill her off then when she contradicted him? Not only did he kick her out, he multiplied her childbearing pains. Did he stop there? No. He went on to make sure she gave birth to god knows how many kids so they would go through the SAME pains as her. Tell me what does it say?
The question remains: Should the son pay for the father's sins?
Ok lets say that we won't count that sin that was done by adam and eve. Let's now look into our own lives, are you still sinless?
bible say, we are all sinners. But who said this? The people who accorded the Word of Christ. I don't know if we can trust them or not. It's not like God came to earth and personally told us this.
Are you so sure God didn't. Did you not know Jesus is God?
18 years ago
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That's it i'm done I'm sick of this guy trying to do his missionary work on these forums . You know what is one of god's worst creations most annoying creations? Mormons and Jehova witnesses. Go away damn it you're not gonna convert me you damn Suit and tie with your little strap bag punks. Barely out of highschool and they come to my country to sell me their religion. Go home you are not welcome. 😛 House to house geez I should be waiting with an air gun and chase them away if they come near my house. Haha. lol
18 years ago
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I'm from Buddhist!
What i heard was when you do something bad you still turn into another thing.. o_O but an animal or example.
and a lot of stories too.
Like "do not choose earth when you become an angel, earth has a lotn of hatress blah blah" or "deny god and die painfully" and yeah..
18 years ago
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Hey gir I already used the ant farm one at the beginning of the thread haha. Yeah, I know. 😛
I just don't understand his logic sometimes could it be that god's just this ogre or perhaps a little kid with a snowglobe containing the universe and he's always shaking it just to see what happens lol. Too much innocents suffer for me to say that god is merciful and compassionate.
God wasn't merciful and compassionate in the old testament. Those are probably our standards for what a great god would be.
How do you figure that God wasn't comppasionate in the old testament?
It is a common argument (google it). Lessee... Off hand, (dang Luis took Noahs Ark), and I believe he killed Job's wife because she sold her hair to the devil, there was Lot's wife who was turned to a pillar of salt for looking backwards...
18 years ago
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[quote=liquid_hell]Lol@chu God CREATED us. He made us and injected curiosity into our blood. If he can foresee the future, why then did he do it? Maybe he wanted to test Eve, fine. Why didn't he kill her off then when she contradicted him? Not only did he kick her out, he multiplied her childbearing pains. Did he stop there? No. He went on to make sure she gave birth to god knows how many kids so they would go through the SAME pains as her. Tell me what does it say?
The question remains: Should the son pay for the father's sins?
Ok lets say that we won't count that sin that was done by adam and eve. Let's now look into our own lives, are you still sinless?
bible say, we are all sinners. But who said this? The people who accorded the Word of Christ. I don't know if we can trust them or not. It's not like God came to earth and personally told us this.
Are you so sure God didn't. Did you not know Jesus is God?[/quote]
Hey man, it's Jesus's apostles who recorded Jesus's words. Ok? So it doesn't count.
Zubz313 is certainly an extremist when it comes to religion....
The Bible said a lot of things that didn't make sense. In the story of Noah's ark, only the Jews survived, and everyone else just got drowned by God's water. Then in the story of Moses, why did God kill those Egyptian kids? Those first born? to free the Jews? What about Egyptian God?
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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic
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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.
18 years ago
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Yes zubz, so we've concluded that everyone's a sinner. So what? Should we all stake ourselves on the cross and die for our sins? Is that why God made us humans start wars? So we can all pay for our sins?
<-- Okay, I'm starting to sound a little petty takes a deep breath
I don't see why we should look to God with reverence in our eyes after all the things he has done. It's like we're expected to obey him with "childlike faith". If he wanted that, then don't make us the way we are! You can't have a curious person and someone who believes you blindly.
As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods,
They kill us for their sport
- King Lear, Shakespeare
18 years ago
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@Savantsage
You know thats a really good point. Should the Bible be trusted. Well if you are really interested which I would hope you and alot of the guys in this forum would be, you should read the Case for Christ which was a book written by an atheist Journalist which basically goes at the legitamacy of the accounts of Jesus's life as portrayed in the Gospels. But It's a pretty big book, but I think it would answer your question better than I could ever.
18 years ago
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because we are his child, and betraying him is like betraying your own parent.
I don't want to eel depress of my life, so am not going to post in here for today. tomorrow maybe.
18 years ago
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@Savantsage
You know that's a really good point. Should the Bible be trusted. Well if you are really interested which I would hope you and a lot of the guys in this forum would be, you should read the Case for Christ which was a book written by an atheist Journalist which basically goes at the legitimacy of the accounts of Jesus's life as portrayed in the Gospels. But It's a pretty big book, but I think it would answer your question better than I could ever.
You know.....this is a forum of discussion, not a forum for converting people. I'm not Christian, I'm Buddhist. I read the Da Vinci Code, and that's enough for me.
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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.
18 years ago
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Look the guy himself even admits he's ignorant about the old testament and the bible and yet he's preaching like a freaking ordained minister. lol. I stooped going to church a while ago. I wasn't learning anything and I wasn't getting hit with the "power of christ" and the holy spirit wasn't flowing into me. lol. So what am I gonna say 😕 I just don't think you can find enlightenment in a church. The church helps a lot of people yes but it also does some bad and it's basically a place for people who don't have the capacity for asking logical questions to go every sunday and be read to from a book written by men saying that it is the word of god. Yet the style of his rule is so random I wonder if there aren't 50 different gods playing chess with us as the pieces. hehe
18 years ago
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Yes zubz, so we've concluded that everyone's a sinner. So what? Should we all stake ourselves on the cross and die for our sins? Is that why God made us humans start wars? So we can all pay for our sins?
<-- Okay, I'm starting to sound a little petty takes a deep breathI don't see why we should look to God with reverence in our eyes after all the things he has done. It's like we're expected to obey him with "childlike faith". If he wanted that, then don't make us the way we are! You can't have a curious person and someone who believes you blindly.
I think your absolutely right. And your comment of childlike faith hits the nail on the head. But like I said at the beginning of this forum I can't make you believe anything. I can only share with you my own experiences dealing with God. But in the end only you can decide who is God to you. As C.S. Lewis once said Jesus is either Lord, Liar, or Lunatic. Jesus didn't give us any other choices.
18 years ago
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@chu Not if the parent betrayed us first.
@zubz I'm not going to look at 8 pages of post, so could you refer me to the part where you shared your life experiences instead of your ideals?
As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods,
They kill us for their sport
- King Lear, Shakespeare
18 years ago
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@chu Not if the parent betrayed us first.
that's stupid. They do not worth to be our parent then. But still, we are still his children.
