Incest's only as bad as society makes it out to be.

If we were living in Ancient Egypt or in Rome or Greece 2000-3000 years ago, incest wouldn't have been something completely unacceptable by today's standards.

People that spout the genetics crap are just trying to avoid pointing the finger at ourselves. It is not more likely a baby from two siblings will be deformed or mutated or whatever than from a normal couple. Granted though, continual incest across multiple generations causes defects to eventually become more and more evident but seeing as it has become such a massive taboo nowadays, it is definitely not a common occurrence.

Anyhoo I guess incest's something that even if it was going on, people wouldn't openly admit it because of the public's general brainwashed reaction towards it - 'OMG WHAT THE HELL!? HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY FANCY YOUR BROTHER/SISTER/COUSIN!?' etc.

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People that spout the genetics crap are just trying to avoid pointing the finger at ourselves. It is not more likely a baby from two siblings will be deformed or mutated or whatever than from a normal couple. Granted though, continual incest across multiple generations causes defects to eventually become more and more evident but seeing as it has become such a massive taboo nowadays, it is definitely not a common occurrence.

Anyhoo I guess incest's something that even if it was going on, people wouldn't openly admit it because of the public's general brainwashed reaction towards it - 'OMG WHAT THE HELL!? HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY FANCY YOUR BROTHER/SISTER/COUSIN!?' etc.

Quoted for truth. o_o

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People that spout the genetics crap are just trying to avoid pointing the finger at ourselves. It is not more likely a baby from two siblings will be deformed or mutated or whatever than from a normal couple. Granted though, continual incest across multiple generations causes defects to eventually become more and more evident but seeing as it has become such a massive taboo nowadays, it is definitely not a common occurrence.

I disagree. Strongly.

Let's take daltonism as an example: Mother is healthy, but carrier of the gene. Father is healthy. There's 25% chance of the kid being a daltonist male, a 25% of the kid being a female carrier of the gene and 50% chances of a healthy kid of either gender.
Taking the example from above, we'll take the mother with the carrier gene and another male from the same family, let's say a cousin, also carrier of the gene. What happens then? IIRC, there's a 50% chance of the child to be daltonist, of either gender.
Now, daltonism isn't such a huge problem (just gave it out as an example, as it was the first genetic disease I remembered at the moment), compared to other horrible, horrible genetic diseases.

Too lazy to go into other details, so I'll just quote wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consanguinity <-"The extent to which the risk increases depends on the degree of genetic relationship between the parents; so for incestuous relationships where the parents share 1/2 of their DNA the risk is great, but for relationships between second cousins where the parents only share 1/32 of their DNA the risk is less (although still greater than the general population)." Wiki disagrees with you. Even if the risk is smaller in cousin couples, it's still alot in very close relatives. NOT the same as normal couples, no matter how you'd take it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding <-" Inbreeding may result in a far higher phenotypic expression of deleterious recessive genes within a population than would normally be expected. As a result, first-generation inbred individuals are more likely to show physical and health defects, including:
reduced fertility both in litter size and sperm viability
increased genetic disorders
fluctuating facial asymmetry
lower birth rate
higher infant mortality
slower growth rate
smaller adult size
loss of immune system function."

You might've been referring to this:

"In April 2002, the Journal of Genetic Counseling released a report authored by a team of scientists led by Robin L. Bennett, a genetic counselor at the University of Washington and the president of the National Society of Genetic Counselors, which showed that the potential risk of birth defects in a child born of first cousins was slightly higher than the risk associated with a non-cousin couple. The report estimated the increased risk for first cousins at 1.7 - 2.8 % over the base risk of about 3%, or about the same as that of any woman over age 40, or of a still younger man (see paternal age). Put differently, first-cousin marriages entail roughly the same increased risk of birth defects as a woman faces when she gives birth at age 41 (roughly 6%) rather than at 30 (roughly 3%). Critics argue that banning first-cousin marriages would make as much sense as trying to ban childbearing by older women. These numbers were reported only for first instances of cousin mating; repeated generations of cousin coupling are thought to increase the risk substantially." <-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_couple

But please note that it's only one instance, and if incest is "okay" then those instances will become more and more common. Plus, it's only one theory, that only appeared recently. Generations and generations of deformed children since ancient times don't think so.

So don't say the problem is society. It wouldn't have been a problem for society IF there was NOTHING wrong with it. Incest not only screws up the child, but also the gene pool if inbreeding appears too often, and then genetic diseases and mutations appear for entire areas of population. And ultimately screws up the society itself if it grows out of control.

Now for some personal flaming: how much genetics do YOU know to call it "genetics crap"? It's there for a reason, and it was "made up" by people who actually know what they're talking about. Unlike me actually 😀 , I'm just quoting Wiki and what I recall from my mom's books and general knowledge.
But I atleast attempted to argue my opinion, compared to calling it genetic crap and then saying that children from incest relationships can end up just as healthy as normal children. Sure, everyone is wrong and you are right.

Tl;dr? Incest has been proven countless times to screw up humans and the gene pool (Charles the II of Spain anyone?) and society is right to be repulsive towards incest. Children can be healthy, but the chances are very small.

And if incest couples will be allowed to have children, let's just say it won't be pretty. I'm for incest, if the persons love eachother, they're not harming anyone, but if they decide to have a child, that's when the only, and biggest problem arises.

...bah. I'm out.

Nidhogg, don't mind her. She's doing it to spite me. 🤣

Anyways, we're talking about people practicing incest. If the baby deformation is the only substantianal counter-argument, then there's a great solution for that.

... Use condoms. .__. Or any other contraceptive method.

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HeavennevaeH's post is pretty much in agreement with the general knowledge I held on the topic. Objectively considering the issue, it seems to be along the same lines of a couple having eight or nine kids - something that individuals should have the right to do if they wish (and are prepared for the consequences), but would become a big problem for society if it ever became a common practice. Taboos sometimes exist for a reason.

Personally I've absolutely no problem with the idea of sibling or cousin incest. I actually find the idea somewhat romantic, of cousins or siblings who know each other inside and out, having been around one another for much of their lives, still being in love. But perhaps I have that sentiment because I'm an only child, with no nearby relatives I would even think of pursuing that way (I do have cousins and aunts around my age, but they all live in faraway places and I barely know any of them). And such couples should definitely make sure all their bases are covered, so to speak, before having kids.

Not sure about parent-child incest, though my misgivings with that tie more into the pedophilia aspect than the incest part.

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Okay allow me to put it this way: If you get married or whatever and have children, how would you feel if you walk into one of your kids' rooms and find both of them making out; or if you just noticed that their relationship was slightly more than platonic. I'm pretty sure most people would be a little uncomfortable w/ that situation. So all these "narrow-minded idiots" you seem to think just don't for the sake of conformity may just be looking at the big picture; lest, they be labeled as "hypocrites".

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hmmmm I don´t know but somehow most of the replies sound like you guys are scared of it....almost like it was a contagious disease
Do you honestly think that if, by any chance, incest wouldn´t be considered a crime anymore all the siblings out there would suddenly fall in love with each other? if so...lol LOL!
Oh and after reading this topic for several days(when I were bored) I got a rather uneasy feeling.
All this talk about "healthy gene pools" or "good genes" kinda remembered me of the BS some ppl spread during the 3rd Reich.....just got the feeling.
My Theory is that even if it were allowed only a small amount of the world population would engulf itself in Incest (and these people probably do that already)
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If its consensual, then it aint wrong. If it is forced relation, than it is wrong.
About genetic problems that came from incest? Well i can say one thing for sure, Incest couple can prepare themselves on what kind of genetic disease that can happen in their family just by tracing their family medical history. Normal relationship is just like picking a lottery... if u got bad ticket...your child will get a genetic disease.
Most of the time, what u call an incestuous marriage in Asia, or other part of the world do not consider about genetic, but about the wealth and power that runs in the family. And most of these marriage are forced, not from the base of love.

Human have a genetically solution to strengthen their gene, and that is attraction to opposite sex that have more different genetic code than he is. Especially on immunity against certain disease. Sometimes they find this in a member of a family(but this is rare, thats why incest is also rare in civilized society). In a primitive or island community, incest do happen a lot.
Well, we arent necessarily do incestuous relation. But dont judge those people that do incest or born from incestuous relation. Society are too cruel these days.

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If its consensual, then it aint wrong. If it is forced relation, than it is wrong.

That's essentially my view when it come to incest. As for reproduction, homosexual incest avoids the entire problem while heterosexual couples could hire a geneticist to study their DNA for recessive diseases or simply adopt.

I actually know a pair of brothers that had an incestous relationship for about three years. Other than the fact that they still have leanings towards homosexuality, they're completely normal people.And awesome, might I add.

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If we were living in Ancient Egypt or in Rome or Greece 2000-3000 years ago, incest wouldn't have been something completely unacceptable by today's standards.

the royals had to marry their parent, or siblings to keep the throne in the blood line. they made doing timelines in history so dam hard!
its still around though. my great, great granparents were cousins 😲 (scewed up the family tree slightly)
however, i've only read a couple of incest manga and wouldn't even think of hooking up with family

It just happens sometimes, not around me at least.
It's true that in some situations ( like in the royalty and in Kurenai (xD) )
it might be seen as a need, but in -our- reality...nah, leave it aside.
As long as there are no Royalty members among us...

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So...can we just say incest equals bad in real life? 😀

Because I'm totally cool with it in mangas/novels/whatsoever because it's not fiction.

But in real life, it's just very disturbing. Except I don't have siblings so I imagine liking someone related to me instead in a non platonic way like my dad and it was a disturbing thought, period.

I Despise serious topics.

The way i see it, people are gonna do what their gonna do, who am i to stop it if its not hurting anyone, after all, i am just as human as them.

First time I'm visiting this topic.

What surprises me aren't the opinions.... it's the fact that this thread is 15 pages long!!

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I watched this movie Boku wa Imouto ni koi wo suru. I could tell there must have been some incestuous emotions flying around, but watching the movie was different. He actually slept with her (twin sister). That was too disturbing. I can tolerate it I guess, if it appears, but I was disgusted with that movie. I don't know, not to be mean, but how can you ever see your sibling in such a way?

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