It has genetic consequences and It's not good for the species.

So, I would say that it doesn't matter if there is love or anything like that. It's just wrong and nature doesn't want it to happen.

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Also it's fine to say, "well as long as they don't have kids, the genetic stuff doesn't matter", but pregnancies are not always planned, & unplanned pregnancies aren't always as simple to deal with once they happen as the people involved might think ahead of time.

Once you get as far away as cousins I really have no problem with it, though if a family had a history of cousins marrying then the genetic problems become more likely.

Better say something to the Morie's of new zealand they say they all came to new zealand on the same boat and eat the other people there.

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If the ones involved in the act are aware of the consequences of their acts and are still truly in love can we stop them or should we even try to.

the question is: is love a good enough excuse to justify incest?

i mean thats why we have taboos right? b/c it just aint right.

whats right and wrong are a matter of personal choice.

but for the question, love is love, some people may go to the ends of the earth to find it, others may find it in their own home.

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If the ones involved in the act are aware of the consequences of their acts and are still truly in love can we stop them or should we even try to.

the question is: is love a good enough excuse to justify incest?

i mean thats why we have taboos right? b/c it just aint right.

whats right and wrong are a matter of personal choice.

but for the question, love is love, some people may go to the ends of the earth to find it, others may find it in their own home.

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whats right and whats wrong is iffy. depending, yes it is a personal choice but if you think that murder is right does that make you right? no it doesnt.

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[quote=Vegitunks]If the ones involved in the act are aware of the consequences of their acts and are still truly in love can we stop them or should we even try to.

the question is: is love a good enough excuse to justify incest?

i mean thats why we have taboos right? b/c it just aint right.

whats right and wrong are a matter of personal choice.

but for the question, love is love, some people may go to the ends of the earth to find it, others may find it in their own home.

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whats right and whats wrong is iffy. depending, yes it is a personal choice but if you think that murder is right does that make you right? no it doesnt. [/quote]

by todays standards it is
there was a time when people practiced headhunting in times of wars, but was it wrong to them?
nope.

my point is that, it all depends on what you belive to be true, and what you belive to be good.

to some, incest may be perfectly acceptable, but to others, it may be completely disgusting.

we have free will to judge what you wish to judge it as.

but who are we to say whats right and wrong?
with such a wide varity of people and their views, what we may see as right and wrong is definitly not the norm for the entire world.

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It has genetic consequences and It's not good for the species.

So, I would say that it doesn't matter if there is love or anything like that. It's just wrong and nature doesn't want it to happen.

I don't have an opinion on the matter, I really don't care. That's my policy in life: what others do with others (by free will on both sides) is not my problem.
But I had to say that I find it extremely funny to bring the nature debate here.
There are countless species that practice incest on different degrees. Some also practice pedophilia pretty often too. There a lot of know cases of interspecies relationships (zoophilia) and some cases of necrophilia and cannibalism, and of course same sex relationships.
That is to say that nature is a pretty weak argument in all kind of debates on human society, and specially to use to say what is wrong and what is right.
Right and wrong are totally subjective notions.
But we can safely say that, the human society has shunned incest in MOST (not all) of her history...

If weakening a species genetic code is not a bad thing, then I don't know what is bad anymore.

A world war could affect humanity for what? 50 years?

If the genetic is code is f**ked up, we're talking about a repercussion that last until the species itself vanishes. And we are talking about sickness and malformations.

Homosexuality, pedophilia even canibalism. They don't have the repercussion that incest has.

A clear example: I don't know if you are familiar with dog breading. They do use incest a lot, to ensure top quality races, but these races end with well known diseases and malformations that usually shorten the life of the dogs and make hard for them to even run, jump or do everyday activities.

I don't think that is wrong of me not wishing for that to happen to humans.

And I'm not saying that if a brother and sister start doing it is really going to affect the species, but just imagine if it was generally accepted?

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Actually inbreeding doesn't "weaken" the genetic code of a specie per se.
It just increases the chances that the offspring is Homozygous. By having two identical copies of the same gene on the two corresponding chromosomes.
If that gene was defectuous, it will of course cause defects to appear in the bearer. On the other hand, if that gene let's say was responsible for higher intelligence... well it will create smarter individuals. That's why breeders practice inbreeding to make the desired trait appear more. Of course along with the desired trait, sometimes, defects also appear, as you mentioned with pure bred dogs. (and appear as in they always where there, but just become more noticeable, defects don't just pop out of nowhere because siblings did it together)

Anyway, inbreeding is pretty neutral toward a specie as long as it doesn't become practiced by 50% of it (since it will reduce genetic diversity in the specie by a lot, and that would be pretty bad in case of a new virus appearance or something like that). But it would be quite as bad if 50% of humanity turned cannibals or 50% of humanity turned gay (I'm just saying that the specie will most likely die out that way... I'm not having any judgment here).

Actually, if 50% of humanity turned gay it would be good for the species, you know, because of the overpopulation.

If 50% of humanity turned canibal.....humanity would only last for a few meals lol

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[quote=sleepless_sin][quote=Vegitunks]If the ones involved in the act are aware of the consequences of their acts and are still truly in love can we stop them or should we even try to.

the question is: is love a good enough excuse to justify incest?

i mean thats why we have taboos right? b/c it just aint right.

whats right and wrong are a matter of personal choice.

but for the question, love is love, some people may go to the ends of the earth to find it, others may find it in their own home.

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whats right and whats wrong is iffy. depending, yes it is a personal choice but if you think that murder is right does that make you right? no it doesnt. [/quote]

by todays standards it is
there was a time when people practiced headhunting in times of wars, but was it wrong to them?
nope.

my point is that, it all depends on what you belive to be true, and what you belive to be good.

to some, incest may be perfectly acceptable, but to others, it may be completely disgusting.

we have free will to judge what you wish to judge it as.

but who are we to say whats right and wrong?
with such a wide varity of people and their views, what we may see as right and wrong is definitly not the norm for the entire world.[/quote]

it's not a personal choice if a whole group of people believes head hunting to be right.

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unless you absolutely insist, it's too complicated to explain myself because right and wrong can vary depending on situation and circumstance.

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FallofKakashi is right though. 😀 There is no right or wrong. The only reason why we think that murder for example is wrong is because we have feelings. But if we haven't, we wouldn't bat an eye when we see a dead corpse.

Anyways, this is going way too off-topic~ Btw, isn't this the 21st century? You already have accepted the fact that people of the same sex can be together, so why not of the same "clan"/family? Also they don't necessarily have to have babies. Because always when this comes up, there's always the counter-argument of; "What about the babies? Won't they be deformed?". Well, they can just adopt then, if they want to. And then problem solved.

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FallofKakashi is right though. 😀 There is no right or wrong. The only reason why we think that murder for example is wrong is because we have feelings. But if we haven't, we wouldn't bat an eye when we see a dead corpse.

Anyways, this is going way too off-topic~ Btw, isn't this the 21st century? You already have accepted the fact that people of the same sex can be together, so why not of the same "clan"/family? Also they don't necessarily have to have babies. Because always when this comes up, there's always the counter-argument of; "What about the babies? Won't they be deformed?". Well, they can just adopt then, if they want to. And then problem solved.

Yes, Murder is not wrong, so I guess if a maniac murders all your family you would be OK with that, right?

Saying that there is no right or wrong sounds soooo deep, and is pretty comfortable also coz you can do whatever the hell you want and no one has the right to say anything about it right?

But sadly enough, that philosophy or anti-philosophy doesn't have a practical use.
When you get out of your house. Do you do it using the door? But there is not right or wrong. Why don't you use the window? Why not break a freaking hole in the wall?

Do you eat using your mouth? Who says that's the right way to do it? There are suppositories, right?

While it is true that the concept of right or wrong is very subjective, it is based in social trends and rules. And those rules might not be perfect, but they are made to keep some sort of social health, and they have a reason to be.

If everyone did whatever they wanted coz there is not right or wrong, and of the basic concept of right or wrong just vanished from everyone minds. Who tells you that an idiot wouldn't activate all the nuclear weaponry in the world? That wouldn't be wrong. But actually blowing the world wouldn't be wrong aether.

THERE IS RIGHT AND WRONG, seriously....

If you accept that an incest relationship could have a bad effect (a deformed baby), and that the effect should be avoided. Then it would be easy to assume that they shouldn't have sex, because the whole point of sex is that, isn't it, reproduction. And if the couple is not practicing sex, then there is no Incest. Yay!!

If the effect is bad, the action is bad by itself. Seriously, start reading more philosophy, read less EMO poetry.

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FallofKakashi is right though. 😀 There is no right or wrong. The only reason why we think that murder for example is wrong is because we have feelings. [i]But if we hadn't, we wouldn't bat an eye when we see a dead corpse.[/i]

Anyways, this is going way too off-topic~ Btw, isn't this the 21st century? You already have accepted the fact that people of the same sex can be together, so why not of the same "clan"/family? Also they don't necessarily have to have babies. Because always when this comes up, there's always the counter-argument of; "What about the babies? Won't they be deformed?". Well, they can just adopt then, if they want to. And then problem solved.

Yes, Murder is not wrong, so I guess if a maniac murders all your family you would be OK with that, right?

Have you read what I said? I said, people without feelings. I have feelings. Feelings is what makes us human. 😁

Saying that there is no right or wrong sounds soooo deep, and is pretty comfortable also coz you can do whatever the hell you want and no one has the right to say anything about it right?

But sadly enough, that philosophy or anti-philosophy doesn't have a practical use.
When you get out of your house. Do you do it using the door? But there is not right or wrong. Why don't you use the window? Why not break a freaking hole in the wall?

Do you eat using your mouth? Who says that's the right way to do it? There are suppositories, right?

Do any of your examples have anything to do with people's lifechoices/interaction? Those are all examples of using things the wrong way.

While it is true that the concept of right or wrong is very subjective, it is based in social trends and rules. And those rules might not be perfect, but they are made to keep some sort of social health, and they have a reason to be.

If everyone did whatever they wanted coz there is not right or wrong, and of the basic concept of right or wrong just vanished from everyone minds. Who tells you that an idiot wouldn't activate all the nuclear weaponry in the world? That wouldn't be wrong. But actually blowing the world wouldn't be wrong aether.

THERE IS RIGHT AND WRONG, seriously....

Yes, there is a right and wrong. There is one on international level, national, community, etc. But there is absolutely NO universal right and wrong. Do you really think that the Universe gives a sh!t about our planet blowing up? No, it will just continue as it used to do for billions of years and beyond.

If you accept that an incest relationship could have a bad effect (a deformed baby), and that the effect should be avoided. Then it would be easy to assume that they shouldn't have sex, because the whole point of sex is that, isn't it, reproduction. And if the couple is not practicing sex, then there is no Incest. Yay!!

Aren't you being a little naieve now? Sex does not equal having a baby. Or else almost every girl at my school would be pregnant. Never heard of safe sex?

If the effect is bad, the action is bad by itself. Seriously, start reading more philosophy, read less EMO poetry.

Aren't you being more EMO than me now though? xD Chill~

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You know, I was going to write a huge post to answer the previous one, but it's not worth it. So I'm just going to say one thing.

Even if you believe, or thing you believe, there is not right and wrong and incest is completely valid. You ARE NOT going to go and screw your sister/brother/father or mother, and that proves the truth of my statement that your philosophy, or anti-philosophy, might sound deep and cool but doesn't have a practical application.

You know you can't argue against that, so I win. Yay!! 😁

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