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12:59 am, Nov 17 2011
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12:59 am, Nov 17 2011
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i personally think some form of the bill will be passed eventually. people will eventually lose interest in fighting the bill because they can not see the immediate harm of the bill, while the politician will fight to pass this bill as long as money flows into their campaign from people who want this bill passed. if you really want to destroy the route of all evil, then fight for more transparency and, a limit on campaign donations and until that happens the majority of voters are just an after thought.
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1:22 am, Nov 17 2011
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1:22 am, Nov 17 2011
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Censorship in the US wouldn't just affect American citizens. So many sites are situated in the US, that it would affect all English speakers. Yet only Americans can affect the vote. Why should other English speakers allow site access to the US when it fails to reciprocate? And there are far more English speakers than simply those in the US. I disagree with censorship beyond that for child protection, which should be decided by the parents. Self-censorship is a choice, but censorship in general shouldn't be imposed.
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2:24 am, Nov 17 2011
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People need stronger egos
The ability to not be saddened by a internet troll (and real life mofos as well)
Internet bullying and being affected by it is simply ridiculous.
If your going to use the internet (especially social networking chat rooms, facebook etc) you should be ready for this kind of bull
Now real life bullying... Violence... (think of the first few chapters of The Breaker) Now THAT is a problem.
Last edited by silencecomes at 2:33 am, Nov 17 2011
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The ability to not be saddened by a internet troll (and real life mofos as well)
Internet bullying and being affected by it is simply ridiculous.
If your going to use the internet (especially social networking chat rooms, facebook etc) you should be ready for this kind of bull
Now real life bullying... Violence... (think of the first few chapters of The Breaker) Now THAT is a problem.
Last edited by silencecomes at 2:33 am, Nov 17 2011
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3:48 am, Nov 17 2011
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Quote from silencecomes
People need stronger egos
The ability to not be saddened by a internet troll (and real life mofos as well)
Internet bullying and being affected by it is simply ridiculous.
If your going to use the internet (especially social networking chat rooms, facebook etc) you should be ready for this kind of bull
Now real life bullying... Violence... (think of the first few chapters of The Breaker) Now THAT is a problem.
The ability to not be saddened by a internet troll (and real life mofos as well)
Internet bullying and being affected by it is simply ridiculous.
If your going to use the internet (especially social networking chat rooms, facebook etc) you should be ready for this kind of bull
Now real life bullying... Violence... (think of the first few chapters of The Breaker) Now THAT is a problem.
Hear hear.
No government should be involved with, or should have anything to say about, what happens in any form of (online) social media... Especially when said social media has a world-wide userbase.
To stop "bullying, or any form of trolling", is just pure nonsense. Maybe it's just because I'm pre-"social media", but I just don't understand the problem. For years I've been (and still often am) an active IRC user, if someone was annoying you just either simply blocked him or reported him to an op. You don't tell personal things to random strangers, especially not when you now everything you say is logged and viewable for years to come, that would just be inviting trouble.
If it's to "protect children", also bull. That's not up to any government, that's up to the parents. If your 10 year old is watch pornographic sites, it's the fault of the parents and it should be up to them to interfere.
Now, I don't mind the labelling of websites (i.e. "this website is in violation of blabla in ... country", option if routers/webbrowsers to block content labelled with ...), but the choice to do so should be with the end-user, not some government... Advise, NOT force.
I might be swayed to support some sort of independent, multi-cultural "monitoring" organisation, but never one that is solely based in one country. Internet is of the people, by the people, for the people. Any claim made by any (single) government is i.m.o. void.
If someone is abusing the system, it should be up to the moderators to pass judgement.
It's usually quite clear what you will get when joining a certain forum/channel, if you don't agree with what's being said there, either take it up with the moderators or simply leave.
Haven't they noticed yet that creating more and more laws and rules only has an adverse effect and a possibly huge loss in economy (server-farms moving to other parts of the world).
Furthermore, censorship is bull. It will have the same effect as when they introduced the unskippable intros to DVDs. Loads of annoyed customers, and many were driven to piracy.
Last edited by Joentjuh at 3:57 am, Nov 17 2011
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4:00 am, Nov 17 2011
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Hear hear.
No government should be involved with, or should have anything to say about, what happens in any form of (online) social media... Especially when said social media has a world-wide userbase.
To stop "bullying, or any form of trolling", is just pure nonsense. Maybe it's just because I'm pre-"social media", but I just don't understand the problem. For years I've been (and still often am) an active IRC user, if someone was annoying you just either simply blocked him or reported him to an op. You don't tell personal things to random strangers, especially not when you now everything you say is logged and viewable for years to come, that would just be inviting trouble.
I might be swayed to support some sort of independent, multi-cultural "monitoring" organisation, but never one that is solely based in one country. Internet is of the people, by the people, for the people. Any claim made by any (single) government is i.m.o. void.
If someone is abusing the system, it should be up to the moderators to pass judgement.
It's usually quite clear what you will get when joining a certain forum/channel, if you don't agree with what's being said there, either take it up with the moderators or simply leave.
Haven't they noticed yet that creating more and more laws and rules only has an adverse effect and a possibly huge loss in economy (server-farms moving to other parts of the world).
Furthermore, censorship is bull. It will have the same effect as when they introduced the unskippable intros to DVDs. Loads of annoyed customers, and many were driven to piracy.
No government should be involved with, or should have anything to say about, what happens in any form of (online) social media... Especially when said social media has a world-wide userbase.
To stop "bullying, or any form of trolling", is just pure nonsense. Maybe it's just because I'm pre-"social media", but I just don't understand the problem. For years I've been (and still often am) an active IRC user, if someone was annoying you just either simply blocked him or reported him to an op. You don't tell personal things to random strangers, especially not when you now everything you say is logged and viewable for years to come, that would just be inviting trouble.
I might be swayed to support some sort of independent, multi-cultural "monitoring" organisation, but never one that is solely based in one country. Internet is of the people, by the people, for the people. Any claim made by any (single) government is i.m.o. void.
If someone is abusing the system, it should be up to the moderators to pass judgement.
It's usually quite clear what you will get when joining a certain forum/channel, if you don't agree with what's being said there, either take it up with the moderators or simply leave.
Haven't they noticed yet that creating more and more laws and rules only has an adverse effect and a possibly huge loss in economy (server-farms moving to other parts of the world).
Furthermore, censorship is bull. It will have the same effect as when they introduced the unskippable intros to DVDs. Loads of annoyed customers, and many were driven to piracy.
I agree.
Unfortunately people are stubborn (or just stupid... maybe both)
This is one of the "really really big government" problems.
Its basically the equivalent of a woman dying because she is having trouble giving birth and the doctors are forced to just watch her and the baby die because of it.
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4:25 am, Nov 17 2011
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Next thing we know, if this ever gets passed, they'll be using this as a pretext to spy on anyone that they believe is violating this bill... x:
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4:48 am, Nov 17 2011
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Next thing we know, if this ever gets passed, they'll be using this as a pretext to spy on anyone that they believe is violating this bill... x:
Lol...
The Bush admin already did something like that
They just happened to tap phones on a national scale
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3:01 pm, Nov 17 2011
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Quote from E.n.i.g.m.a.
Next thing we know, if this ever gets passed, they'll be using this as a pretext to spy on anyone that they believe is violating this bill... x:
1984 anyone? This bill certainly looks like a step in that direction. You'd think the amount of reading the politicians have to do they'd have recognized the connection.
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12:00 pm, Nov 19 2011
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I for one sincerely hope that this stiffling and corrupt SOPA bill does not pass. If it does, it will mean the end of machinima and other internet groups. Americans, contact your congress member! 
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12:16 pm, Nov 19 2011
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Big businesses trying to force people to buy digital information for ridiculous prices
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Internet users wanting to use the internet however they like.
Haha, you guys are so screwed. They're just gonna keep twisting that plan about until it slips through the cracks, then pass it before everyone realizes what's happening. Actually, that's more depressing than funny....
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Haha, you guys are so screwed. They're just gonna keep twisting that plan about until it slips through the cracks, then pass it before everyone realizes what's happening. Actually, that's more depressing than funny....
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12:44 pm, Nov 19 2011
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This is utter bullshit
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2:10 pm, Nov 19 2011
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2:10 pm, Nov 19 2011
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This is utter bullshit
Bullshit? THIS IS AMERICA!
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2:23 pm, Nov 19 2011
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Its just a powerplay from the greedy music/film industri with an added interest from the Gov to control people more. They saw the Arabic spring revolution and got scared at the awesome power of the internet. The bullying case is just used as an excuse to implement their control.
If there was an honest hypocrit in the Gov he would argue for Facebook to be shut down since most Internet Bullying comes from there today. No we just cant see FB closing down from this bill can we?
If there was an honest hypocrit in the Gov he would argue for Facebook to be shut down since most Internet Bullying comes from there today. No we just cant see FB closing down from this bill can we?
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I'm actually in favor of it for the most part. I'd be glad if we could get rid of internet bullying. Something in this world that we do not need.
Internet Bullying will never go away no matter how many laws or restrictions you put on the people. More restrictions are only going to constrict the good people of the internet [which is by far the majority] from doing the things they want to do.
Yeah it's just one of those things isn't it the minority ruining it for everyone else. I say that the internet should be free. Policing the internet is just a way of stopping our freedom. I love the fact that I can say what I like on here without people knowing who I am. I am a diffrent person online to the person on the street.
Internet bullying can come in many diffrent forms and like regular bullying no law will prevent it from happening.
I just don't understand how will they stop internet bullying by blocking some sites....
The are trying to do this because:
It's obvious that most politicians represent the enterprises and not the people, preventing piracy is a good way to raise enterprises earnings.
It's easier to manipulate people if you block their access to news contrary to what you are imposing.
Masking it with >>ending internet bullying<<>> ending "child" access to "offensive"content<< and all kinds of ridiculous things is cowardly.
I would help if I could, but i'm not from the US.
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Sites like The Pirate Bay can be blocked to americans? If it's possible they will probably do it.
What I absolutely love is the excuse of internet bullying, offensive content to children and of children...etc.. This is the same shit they tried to do with "Violent" video games. This shit should be up to the parents to regulate what there damn children see. If you don't want your child to see or be apart of something on the interwebz, then block that shit. Granted a lot of children know more about computers than there silly parents...the responsibility should still be on the parent.
I'm a grown ass man and if I want to watch some chicks dress up in sheep outfits and do each other than I will (hypothetically speaking
) I'm from the US and i'm not gonna be deprived of my interwebz because some dumb shit parents can't figure out how to regulate there children. Wanting other people to do it for them is horse shit. 
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4:23 pm, Nov 22 2011
Posts: 112
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I'm actually in favor of it for the most part. I'd be glad if we could get rid of internet bullying. Something in this world that we do not need.
Internet Bullying will never go away no matter how many laws or restrictions you put on the people. More restrictions are only going to constrict the good people of the internet [which is by far the majority] from doing the things they want to do.
Yeah it's just one of those things isn't it the minority ruining it for everyone else. I say that the internet should be free. Policing the internet is just a way of stopping our freedom. I love the fact that I can say what I like on here without people knowing who I am. I am a diffrent person online to the person on the street.
Internet bullying can come in many diffrent forms and like regular bullying no law will prevent it from happening.
I just don't understand how will they stop internet bullying by blocking some sites....
The are trying to do this because:
It's obvious that most politicians represent the enterprises and not the people, preventing piracy is a good way to raise enterprises earnings.
It's easier to manipulate people if you block their access to news contrary to what you are imposing.
Masking it with >>ending internet bullying<<>> ending "child" access to "offensive"content<< and all kinds of ridiculous things is cowardly.
I would help if I could, but i'm not from the US.
Edit:
Sites like The Pirate Bay can be blocked to americans? If it's possible they will probably do it.
What I absolutely love is the excuse of internet bullying, offensive content to children and of children...etc.. This is the same shit they tried to do with "Violent" video games. This shit should be up to the parents to regulate what there damn children see. If you don't want your child to see or be apart of something on the interwebz, then block that shit. Granted a lot of children know more about computers than there silly parents...the responsibility should still be on the parent.
I'm a grown ass man and if I want to watch some chicks dress up in sheep outfits and do each other than I will (hypothetically speaking
) I'm from the US and i'm not gonna be deprived of my interwebz because some dumb shit parents can't figure out how to regulate there children. Wanting other people to do it for them is horse shit. Amen to that!
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