I remember someone telling me; 'You aren't sane if you haven't contemplated suicide at least once in your life.'

The sanity bit's pushing it, but I can't see how one could not avoid thinking about it at some stage in their life, in the same way you'd think about death.

I have indeed considered it, although only once, and that was a few years ago. I don't think I ever would contemplate it ever again, although its easy to say that when life is going as normally as it always has for you.

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Only cowards commit suicide period. 🤣

Really now, youre too true to your nick, and I sincerely pity your lack of wisdom. Maybe in the future you'll want to look more deeply at the others around you.

Simply put, when you you feel you're lacking the love of others, when you dont esteem yourself due to personal shortcomings or lack of support, when youre stuck in a slump in your life and you dont see an exit in that dark tunnel: when any or all of these things get extreme and you agonize every day, you simply dont want to live another day like that, feeling useless and hopeless to the utmost extreme.
You feel that "everything you do is hopeless" "the situation wont possibly change for the better no matter how much effort you put in" "no one will care if I just disappear with my meaningless existence".
Well first i must say that EVERY existence is unique to itself, no joke and no cliche about it: we are UNIQUE and RARE. We're not "standardized" or "common" or even "cathegorized" as many, many media, statistics and such want us to believe.

I might have a Strong views but am not an idiot.
What you have just stated are merely EXCUSES and not reasons. I can think of thousands of EXCUSES why one might want to commit suicide but not a single bloody reason cause there is none. Like you said every life in it self is unique therefore isn't it stupidity to end this life when it already has a day it will naturally end?

I have contemplated suicide on multiple occasion. i felt that life was meaningless and i fell into the pits of depression but this is where i draw the line between normal and cowardice. it is perfectly normal to feel suicidal when you get into that situation but to actually go through it makes you a coward cause the is help if you can't recover yourself so that isn't a reason you are merely drowning yourself in self pity.

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There is not a legitimate reason to commit suicide therefore those who commit suicide are coward who are just escaping life through death. 😃

what if the person has been sexually abused by their parents or have been raped with no kind of support offered by his/her close friends or family....is that still an excuse? hard to imagine the hell the sexually abused people endure and so who are we to judge when we have never been in that situation?

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I might have a Strong views but am not an idiot.
What you have just stated are merely EXCUSES and not reasons. I can think of thousands of EXCUSES why one might want to commit suicide but not a single bloody reason cause there is none. Like you said every life in it self is unique therefore isn't it stupidity to end this life when it already has a day it will naturally end?

I have contemplated suicide on multiple occasion. i felt that life was meaningless and i fell into the pits of depression but this is where i draw the line between normal and cowardice. it is perfectly normal to feel suicidal when you get into that situation but to actually go through it makes you a coward cause the is help if you can't recover yourself so that isn't a reason you are merely drowning yourself in self pity.

I Have love for those WHO HAVE DIED IN VAIN. 😃 🙂

[b]There is not a legitimate reason to commit suicide therefore those who commit suicide are coward who are just escaping life through death.[/b] 😃

what if the person has been sexually abused by their parents or have been raped with no kind of support offered by his/her close friends or family....is that still an excuse? hard to imagine the hell the sexually abused people endure and so who are we to judge when we have never been in that situation?

Just another scenario with the same answer
I don't know how they endure it. But if they kill themselves, it's still escapism.

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There is not a legitimate reason to commit suicide therefore those who commit suicide are coward who are just escaping life through death. 😃

What's your view on euthanasia and/or PAS (physician assisted suicide)? What's life? Once you define life, what's escape? Is it really an escape?

Suicide can be viewed as the quickening of someone's lifespan. Where's the escape?

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Suicide can be viewed as the quickening of someone's lifespan. Where's the escape?

Explain yourself quickly.

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It's a question to ask yourself if you think along the lines of what I quoted. It's up to you to define such concepts and see if your idea of cowardice changes or not. Also, I don't feel like explaining myself further on that line since it's on a subject that's opinion-based and when it seems already beat and dead to the point it'll go to uselessness. I'm getting lazy.

I think that in this time and age, people are starting to become more aware of suicide. Of course, it's still very much frowned upon, and we still attach a stigma to people who seem to consider the act("emo" anyone?)

I agree with Highway-STAR. It's probable that someone might consider suicide at least once in their lifetime. There is constant stress in life. Whether it be from work, school, family, friends, environment, it's always there. And suicide results from stress. Thus, it's very possible that everyone has considered this idea before.

I personally have considered it myself, but never seriously enough to formulate a plan. Maybe I'm too much of a coward, but I would like to see what goes on in this life before ending it so abruptly.

Emos considering suicide? Lol, thats news to me XD
They just do some knife playing, thats all.
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i have never once contemplated about this thing in my life... even though gets sucky and dark, even if the future does look bleak and so does the present... there is never a reason to end my life because as long as theres life theres hope.. because there was always a reason.. how the hell would you reach teh light at the end of teh tunnel if you stop walking if you cut of your own life span 😕

once in my life... when i was in first year in highschool i thought about being dead... but i never thought about committing suicide...those were tough times back then but once it was all over i finally saw the purpose of it all... and everything was bright and shiny once again.. yes that is teh beauty of life!!! the beauty of hope...

so i think that suicidal people are losers... they let the bad times win... so they lose.. and thats why theyre losers... they should look at the bright side of things because ending it all is never a solution...

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[b]There is not a legitimate reason to commit suicide therefore those who commit suicide are coward who are just escaping life through death.[/b] 😃

What's your view on euthanasia and/or PAS (physician assisted suicide)? What's life? Once you define life, what's escape? Is it really an escape?

Suicide can be viewed as the quickening of someone's lifespan. Where's the escape?

Don't try and complicate things. I'm getting tired of repeating this. If you contemplate suicide for too long the more you try to justify it. You can come up with millions of scenario's and methods but the fact of the matter is your denying your self reason and purpose to live.

Most of us don't have a conscious reason to live but at the same time we don't have a conscious reason to die so therefore we go through the motions of life.
If you ask me what life is then I will tell you in the physical form. Life is when both your mind and body is alive the moment one of these seizes to function then you are considered dead.

I might have strong views about suicide but I never once said it was right or wrong.
What are my views on euthanasia? I believe everyone has the right to do what they wish as long as they don't mess with others choices too much. People are entitled to both their choices and opinions just because I say its cowardice isn't going to stop anyone from committing suicide.

I'm pretty sure Josef Fritzl's daughter could have killed her self if she wanted but she held on for god knows how long and I'm pretty sure she is happy at least. The fact of the matter is you can say suicide is quickening of someone's lifespan, helping someone who is in pain, because there is nothing to live for BUT THIS ARE ALL EXCUSES TO JUSTIFY SUICIDE and not reasons.

There is not a legitimate reason to commit suicide therefore those who commit suicide are coward who are just escaping life through death.

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[u][b]There is not a legitimate reason to commit suicide therefore those who commit suicide are coward who are just escaping life through death.[/b][/u] 😃

What's your view on euthanasia and/or PAS (physician assisted suicide)? What's life? Once you define life, what's escape? Is it really an escape?

Suicide can be viewed as the quickening of someone's lifespan. Where's the escape?

Don't try and complicate things. I'm getting tired of repeating this. If you contemplate suicide for too long the more you try to justify it. You can come up with millions of scenario's and methods but the fact of the matter is your denying your self reason and purpose to live.

Most of us don't have a conscious reason to live but at the same time we don't have a conscious reason to die so therefore we go through the motions of life.
If you ask me what life is then I will tell you in the physical form. Life is when both your mind and body is alive the moment one of these seizes to function then you are considered dead.

I might have strong views about suicide but I never once said it was right or wrong.
What are my views on euthanasia? I believe everyone has the right to do what they wish as long as they don't mess with others choices too much. People are entitled to both their choices and opinions just because I say its cowardice isn't going to stop anyone from committing suicide.

I'm pretty sure Josef Fritzl's daughter could have killed her self if she wanted but she held on for god knows how long and I'm pretty sure she is happy at least. The fact of the matter is you can say suicide is quickening of someone's lifespan, helping someone who is in pain, because there is nothing to live for BUT THIS ARE ALL EXCUSES TO JUSTIFY SUICIDE and not reasons.

There is not a legitimate reason to commit suicide therefore those who commit suicide are coward who are just escaping life through death.

So someone who is incapable of moving and in constant pain and is aware that they'll remain that way for the remainder of their lifespan doesn't have a legitimate reason to commit suicide? Or someone whose mind is deteorating? What is their reason not to commit suicide? How exactly are they cowards? They're acting in the way that will minimizing their personal suffering, a rational, reasonable response. A coward is someone overwhelmed by fear to the point of losing that sense of reason.

You're acting as if it's somehow everyone's duty to kept their hearts beating as long as possible, and anyone doing anything to the contrary is 'running away'. When it comes to living, quality > quantity. Suffering through a few extra pain-wracked days one your death bed isn't bravery, it's masochism

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So someone who is incapable of moving and in constant pain and is aware that they'll remain that way for the remainder of their lifespan doesn't have a legitimate reason to commit suicide? Or someone whose mind is deteorating? What is their reason not to commit suicide? How exactly are they cowards? They're acting in the way that will minimizing their personal suffering, a rational, reasonable response. A coward is someone overwhelmed by fear to the point of losing that sense of reason.

You're acting as if it's somehow everyone's duty to kept their hearts beating as long as possible, and anyone doing anything to the contrary is 'running away'. When it comes to living, quality > quantity. Suffering through a few extra pain-wracked days one your death bed isn't bravery, it's masochism

The first thing that is wrong with your statement is that your mistaking self pity with reason. I don't remember saying suicide is wrong or right.

What your piratically saying is that, my life sucks am always in pain, I can't get out of bed, BOO HOO, get over it.you speak as if you've never contemplated suicide that probably why you find it hard to understand where am coming from.

It seems like my use of the word "coward" is what's getting under others skin.

They're acting in the way that will minimizing their personal suffering, a rational, reasonable response. A coward is someone overwhelmed by fear to the point of losing that sense of reason.

What I would consider bravery is finding and doing some thing meaningful the remainder of your life.
There are hospices built for this very reason. What I consider as being an act of cowardice is to drawn in self pity and then use that self pity as a 'reason'(which it isn't) to justify suicide.

So someone who is incapable of moving and in constant pain and is aware that they'll remain that way for the remainder of their lifespan doesn't have a legitimate reason to commit suicide?

Of cause they don't. Come on, what your doing is finding the most extreme case to justify suicide.
the are people in this world who are having bombs dropped onto them, there are those being raped there are those born with extreme disabilities and disease but when they use this as a reason then it becomes self-pity. sure your in pain, sure life will probably never improve but the moment you say I give up or there is no reason to live. I'll like that person to ask them self did they make a reason to live did they seek help when it got hard, did they even try? I can say this cause I've been there but but the different between me and those who go through with the act is that I refused to drawn in self pity. sure I managed to recover by myself but there are tones to help out there. so to drawn in self pity is not a REASON.

There are no legitimate reason to commit suicide because most of the excuses are down to self-pity.

Am not against a person dying, I mean the world could do with less people. What am against is using self pity to justify suicide.

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The saddest part of this is, you think that just because it isn't a reason to you, means it isn't a reason to that person. Human beings are complex creatures, and for you to think you understand each individual's motive of suicide and to call it cowardly is just ignorant.

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The saddest part of this is, you think that just because it isn't a reason to you, means it isn't a reason to that person. Human beings are complex creatures, and for you to think you understand each individual's motive of suicide and to call it cowardly is just ignorant.

Ignorant not quite. for a person to use thier own weakness to justify suicide is cowardly.
my dad had cancer, he was in pain the drugs he needed he could't afford, had to borrow thousands of money and he's now working pratically none stop to pay it back. but he gave him self hope and a reason to live. There were times when i saw him, he looked like he was gonna give up, but he stack to it and recoverd then guess wha\t a couple of monthes later it came back had to get an operation to deal with it. (thankfully its gone again and hopefully it never comes back)

my point is that though people are complex and can loose hope but the moment you make suicide an option is the moment your say "F*** this life it's not worth the effort" i was not born in the west or the far east. i've seen grown men swallow thier pride just to see tomorrow. the is help the are those who have dedecated thier whole life to helping those who can't deal with problems them self. most people who commit suicide are those who don't speak or seek help, they keep thier problems to them selves and think that the world doesn't care. if you havn't asked the world how would you know they don't care, if you don't speak to family, friend specialists, doctors ( the list goes on) HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THEY DON'T CARE?

What i call cowardice is to deny yourself that first step, that effort and to hide in your cacoon of self pity and then have the decency to F****ing use that as an excuse to justify taking your own life. I say this and i mean it if a person is gonna commit suicide am probably the last person that will stop them. I BELIEVE EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WISH AS DO I AND IF YOU THINK THAT YOUCON'T HANDLE PAIN AND WANT TO KILL YOUSELF GO AHEAD, just make sure you don't do it on the train tracks cause am getting pissed of at people deciding to commit suicide on train tracks.

The fact of the matter is THERE'S NO LEGITIMATE REASON TO COMMIT SUICIDE JUST EXCUSES!

I really admire those who know they are going to die and instead of have self pity they get up campaign do things that will help those in the future. just like that lady who ran a marthon to raise money for Marie Curie cancer research instead of drawning in self pity. i can hold my head up high and put hand on heart and say she was a very carougeous person.

No matter how bad you think your problem is there is someone out there who is probably in a worse situation but they are not stringing themselves up. Most of the stress, pain is in ones head and the moment you give up is the moment you deny your self that chance and reason to LIVE. To answer your question you statement, i nevr acted as if i understood every ones problem but the moment one commits an act of sucide and then blames his or a act on tothers makes them a CORWARD!

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J-Oker, i see too much angst in your words to make you feel credible, in this debate. First make up with this anger of yours, then you can return to discuss about suicide with a clearer/more objective point of view.

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That's known as a "coin".

Oh, thanks. Too much D&D.