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Thanks, but I'm not an idiot, I actually do know what I'm talking about.

NeoFireHawk: How is a psycho five year old who think air conditioners are creepy supposed to be entertaining to the Seinen group? Haruhi, I'll give you, Mikuru and the perverted parts yes are aimed at them, I see that and the main character that you follow is a guy, but other than that it's all aliens, time travelers and vespers and messing with the laws of the universe in high school. I do not see how that applies to Seinen at all.

To make it short, men usually have children. Not boys so they wouldn't really know how to love kids. There are seinen readers of many ages and not the youngest might like anything related to life as a family. This is my vision.

Umm, I'm a little confused by what you mean by that, could you please elaborate? Thanks,

Hmmm, well, I'm a male, aged 28, and I found Haruhi to be immensely entertaining. But that's just a personal opinion. When you say YOU don't understand how something could appeal to the target demographic, that just shows that YOU are NOT the target demographic I would think. Sound logical?

And with the whole genre label thing, it's always going to be a point of contention between fans from countries other than Japan. Those labels (seinen, shounen, shoujo, etc) were created by the Japanese. It's perfectly understandable that people who were born and raised in different cultures might not fully grasp why a specific title would be grouped with another title even though their content/art/whatever might be totally different.
As has been said many times before, content/art does not dictate those specific genre labels.

Back to Haruhi, IMO there's some pretty deep philosophical messages in there, it's just the anime has such nice eye candy that they can be difficult to notice. 😉

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Umm, I'm a little confused by what you mean by that, could you please elaborate? Thanks,

"How is a psycho five year old who think air conditioners are creepy supposed to be entertaining to the Seinen group?" That is.

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Umm, I'm a little confused by what you mean by that, could you please elaborate? Thanks,

"How is a psycho five year old who think air conditioners are creepy supposed to be entertaining to the Seinen group?" That is.

It could be either cutsy for a father/grandfather or entertaining for a maniac who really does think that way.

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Umm, I'm a little confused by what you mean by that, could you please elaborate? Thanks,

"How is a psycho five year old who think air conditioners are creepy supposed to be entertaining to the Seinen group?" That is.

It could be either cutsy for a father/grandfather or entertaining for a maniac who really does think that way.

Just incase you misunderstood or I misunderstood that you misunderstood, I am not the one wondering, but DrawnIntoIt88 so people do not make me look inferior. ^_^

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To make it short, men usually have children. Not boys so they wouldn't really know how to love kids. There are seinen readers of many ages and not the youngest might like anything related to life as a family. This is my vision.

I hardly believe that mamsmilk...

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NeoFireHawk: How is a psycho five year old who think air conditioners are creepy supposed to be entertaining to the Seinen group?

Because is funny. As I said before in this thread cute and funny stories help relax all those salaryman after hours of hard work, so it's not really surprising that titles like that are aimed at them. Just look Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou. This manga is completely plotless (It so plotless that some chapters don't even have any text at all) but even though all that it was popular enough to be serialized during twelve years. Why, you may ask? simply put, because it's just a peaceful, placid, and serene manga that arouses in you a deep feeling of nostalgia (which is just what you need to help you manage stress and anxiety, don't you think?)

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Haruhi, I'll give you, Mikuru and the perverted parts yes are aimed at them, I see that and the main character that you follow is a guy, but other than that it's all aliens, time travelers and vespers and messing with the laws of the universe in high school.

But those are precisely the things that attract male readers! (tsunderekkos, meganekkos, and especially the shy-moe girl are very popular within the Japanese, believe me). And if besides all that we add the classical school romance that the Japanese love so much, the philosophical themes and the (almost satirical) comedy makes this series a must read for any seinen reader. Why should that not be attractive to male readers? (I still don't understand your point DrawnIntoIt88...).

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I do not see how that applies to Seinen at all.

Again, I think that should read more seinen manga. I believe that the reason lies more in what ChronicD said: you're trying to judge the Japanese, who have a totally different culture according to your Western standards...

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[quote=DrawnIntoIt88]Umm, I'm a little confused by what you mean by that, could you please elaborate? Thanks,

"How is a psycho five year old who think air conditioners are creepy supposed to be entertaining to the Seinen group?" That is.

It could be either cutsy for a father/grandfather or entertaining for a maniac who really does think that way.

Just incase you misunderstood or I misunderstood that you misunderstood, I am not the one wondering, but DrawnIntoIt88 so people do not make me look inferior. ^_^ [/quote]

There is seriously no reason for you to be so rude like that. ^_^

NeoFireHawk: I guess I see your point and I do admit that the culture things plays into it alot, but that will play in no matter what genre of manga it is. I would still think that sports manga and more umm...how do I put this...extreme shounen would fall more into that category.

"Chobits" is 100% a seinen manga, because it ran in a seinen magazine. Genres in manga aren't usually defined by literary devices and traits (Hm, don't anything about "My Balls" tho'). Instead, the only thing that matters is what magazine the series ran in and what imprint the publisher sticks it under. If a series is under a publisher's seinen label, even if it reads and looks like shoujo for 4th graders, then it is seinen...because it is in a seinen magazine, being read by, well, seinen (18-25 year old guys).

Still, scanlators don't always get these things right. It's especially bad among BL and shoujo scanlation groups, which like to label suggestive shoujo titles as shounen-ai or yaoi. "Loveless" and "Gouhou Drug" are shoujo, but everyone calls them BL.

Well, seinen, shounen, shoujo, josei etch. aren't genres you could define with one word, such as action or humor. It indicates which age group it's aimed at. As stated many times already in this thread.

You could say that these genres are multy genres adapted the targeted audience. But since not one person have the exact same intersts, it's an obvious fac that these genres hava a very broad aspect of elements to it. And thats why they are different from each other. 😀 😎

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How is a psycho five year old who think air conditioners are creepy supposed to be entertaining to the Seinen group?

I'll just jump in with some comments from the "target demographic" and say that I at least like it becuase its funny. Another example might be Strawberry Marshmallow (another seinen series), which is basically a non-story about a bunch of grade school girls. Not terribly deep, no sex, no violence, no philosopy, but a lot of adult males like reading about cute girls doing cute things (and not in any sort of "pedo" way, either). There is a saying that "Little girls are like butterflys, they don't need a reason to exist". 😀

Haruhi, I'll give you, Mikuru and the perverted parts yes are aimed at them,

See, there is part of your problem. You are severly limiting what you believe an adult male would like. Sure, sex is enjoyable, so is action or deep philisophical or emotional issues, but so are simple comedy or love stories, wether for reasons of nostalgia or just to relax, adult males can like all that. 😃

I see that and the main character that you follow is a guy,

Again, what difference does that make? Do you really think that teenage guys can only like stories about teenage guys, and adult guys can only enjoy stories about adult males? Expand your horizons! One of my favorite anime series is Marimite, which is almost exlusivly about a bunch to teenage girls. Just becuse I'm an adult male (and probably old enough to be the father of a lot of them!) doesn't mean I can't like the series. It's just a nice, well written story, so I enjoy it. 😛

Oh yeah, my opinions. O.o

Seinen....has alot of shit under its label that i dont think 5th grade girls want to read about, cause 5th grade girls want to be grown ups O.o. Strawberry Marshmallow is the most unimaginably boring series i have ever watched. EVER. I think it should be serialzed as shoujo though.....what kinda fruity 18-30 yr old wants to read about little girls =.=....scares me.

All the differenent labels are (i think) classified by targeted people. like, fuushigi yugi is most def targeted at middle school girls, with all the bishies and stuff. And 666 satan is meant for little boys. Berserk....16+ guys. I dont think its just labels,i think its all seperate mangas targeted at different age groups.

Chobits is a shoujo in my opinion. i dont know any guys who have/want to read it. lol. my 4th grade cousin reads it for gosh's sake.

Initial D is totally a shounen but for crying out loud, it's seinen O_O
Chobits should be shoujo, but oh well.

I dont think its wrong for them to publish Haruhi as Seinen Light novel, I could imagine if I were about to read it 10 years ago I will die bored of it.

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I don't agree that Chobits is shojo. Guys read it for fan service I am sure. Fan service in shojo manga is something else, not that you read in Chobits.

And a manga is seinen when it is published in a seinen magazine. That's determined by the editors, not us. Demographic has nothing to do with genre and art style. Not every young adult male reader has the same taste. A lot of females read shonen and seinen too but that doesn't mean they are not shonen and seinen.