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Seriously people, your stereotypes and preconceptions of target demographics don't make them true.

The main problem is that one's stereotypes result in MU overflown with incorrect labels. But it's impossible to lock genre fields of all frequently mislabeled manga series 🙁 I also think that in this case (Dengeki Daoh's change of demographic) database will be thrown into disorder for a long time until people get used to Blood Alone (mentioned in Seinen Romance Appreciation Thread) and Gunslinger Girl being shounen.

For anything where the publishing magazine is labeled, seinin, shonen, shojo, josei... should be automatically labeled. The first step is to allow the labeling of magazines as one of these. After that, its really easy to implement.

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Haa, dunno why is false labeling such a big deal... 😕

I don't care much about genre or so...I'm more into picking manga by art...And if the story is enjoyable as well, I read it - may it be shounen, seinen, shoujo or josei...

Though I tend to read more manga out of the male-oriented titles ( am a girl, btw...) because shoujo and josei series usually bore me ( both art and story )...

Btw...Dunno if the question already has been solved but the age group of seinen likes stories about little girls because they are a knowingly lolicon demographic 🙄

The problem about labeling also occurs because a lot of manga aren't made to be 'shounen' or 'shoujo'...etc...They are just stories and the editors decide whether it fits their magazine or not...If not they send it to a fellow-mag and they publish it...
That's the reason why a lot of josei-like series make into a seinen publication...

I'd say Dengeki Daiou is mostly seinen, with some shounen series. People (mostly westerners, but even some Japanese) usually confuse that type of seinen with shounen. They're more like light seinen. Even though they have shounenish art and the story is light, they're made for seinen readers. It has the problem that sometimes those intented to be seinen are more like shounen, but I think most series in Dengeki Daiou are written for seinen readers.

Well, in the end it's decited by the publisher. If seinen publishers don't think your manga is seinen enough you need to get a shounen publisher. And officially Dengeki Daiou is shounen manga. I think Champion Red is shounen and Ichigo seinen, but not sure about what Ichigo is officially.

Anyways, these shounen, seinen, shoujo, josei are just guidelines. Some shounen could as well be classified seinen. They are helpful, but you shouldn't decide what to read based on just that. It's true that there are alot incorrect labels, but sometimes there's no correct labels at all. It would be better to just leave them without labels at all! But they're helpful, so that's that.It's the inside that counts, and what you think about them. If you're too stupid to understand the content, so what? Maybe some day you'll become wiser. Don't take this labeling business to heart.

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Hey Guys,
I always take a look at the series labeled Seinen, and from tha art and summary a lot of them seem very un seinen if you ask me. I sort of have the feeling that the genre seinen is being stretched to encompase lots of things which aren't 100% shonen.
Do any of you guys get the same impression? For example my balls and chobits or both manga that i would clearly not consider seinen. Yes, chobits has spinkel of philosophie and my balls shows breasts, but they are both comedys without much depth.

          So, tell me what you guys think.   
         

P.S. I would add D-ASh to seinen if no one opposes

I think some manga with the genre "seinen" aren't even seinen. Just little cartoons that show a small amount of boobs. Something murderous like Jiraishin or Blade of the Immortal are good examples of seinen.

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Hey Guys,
I always take a look at the series labeled Seinen, and from tha art and summary a lot of them seem very un seinen if you ask me. I sort of have the feeling that the genre seinen is being stretched to encompase lots of things which aren't 100% shonen.
Do any of you guys get the same impression? For example my balls and chobits or both manga that i would clearly not consider seinen. Yes, chobits has spinkel of philosophie and my balls shows breasts, but they are both comedys without much depth.

          So, tell me what you guys think.   
         

P.S. I would add D-ASh to seinen if no one opposes

I think some manga with the genre "seinen" aren't even seinen. Just little cartoons that show a small amount of boobs. Something murderous like Jiraishin or Blade of the Immortal are good examples of seinen.

It's determined by serialization, not your personal opinion.

It's a demographic, not a genre. I can understand how the tags can be confusing, but it's an important distinction. There is no inherent content that comes alongside the seinen label.

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I'd say Dengeki Daiou is mostly seinen, with some shounen series. People (mostly westerners, but even some Japanese) usually confuse that type of seinen with shounen. They're more like light seinen. Even though they have shounenish art and the story is light, they're made for seinen readers. It has the problem that sometimes those intented to be seinen are more like shounen, but I think most series in Dengeki Daiou are written for seinen readers.

Well, in the end it's decited by the publisher. If seinen publishers don't think your manga is seinen enough you need to get a shounen publisher. And officially Dengeki Daiou is shounen manga. I think Champion Red is shounen and Ichigo seinen, but not sure about what Ichigo is officially.

Anyways, these shounen, seinen, shoujo, josei are just guidelines. Some shounen could as well be classified seinen. They are helpful, but you shouldn't decide what to read based on just that. It's true that there are alot incorrect labels, but sometimes there's no correct labels at all. It would be better to just leave them without labels at all! But they're helpful, so that's that.It's the inside that counts, and what you think about them. If you're too stupid to understand the content, so what? Maybe some day you'll become wiser. Don't take this labeling business to heart.

I totally agree with that.

In fact there are also some manga (i.e. Shina Dark) which shifted their magazine (from Dengeki Teioh to Daioh), so basically from a seinen one to a shounen one. This doesn't mean that the manga suddenly changed its contents. I think that we "foreigners" are obsessed with that distinction (mostly because we don't have an equivalent) but in Japan I suppose they don't care particularly about that.
I also read an interview with Aida Yuu (Gunslinger Girl's mangaka) where he was asked if his manga was a seinen or whatever. And he answered that he took some influences from seinen mangaka (especially Urasawa Naoki) but also some features from shoujo manga (and now his manga is labelled as shounen lol). But he didn't give a direct answer to the question, I think he (and all other mangaka) doesn't consider his works as shounen/shoujo/etc. because it's not a genre, it's just the magazine who labeled them as that.

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Hey Guys,
I always take a look at the series labeled Seinen, and from tha art and summary a lot of them seem very un seinen if you ask me. I sort of have the feeling that the genre seinen is being stretched to encompase lots of things which aren't 100% shonen.
Do any of you guys get the same impression? For example my balls and chobits or both manga that i would clearly not consider seinen. Yes, chobits has spinkel of philosophie and my balls shows breasts, but they are both comedys without much depth.

          So, tell me what you guys think.   
         

P.S. I would add D-ASh to seinen if no one opposes

I think some manga with the genre "seinen" aren't even seinen. Just little cartoons that show a small amount of boobs. Something murderous like Jiraishin or Blade of the Immortal are good examples of seinen.

Seinen means young men. It's a target audience, not a genre. We see a lot of manga titles are mainly fanservice, moe and whatnot. And some seinen publications mainly publish this kind of stuff. I don't see how they can't be seinen. These things are exactly what attracts this demographic (young men). Being seinen doesn't mean "good", depth or "murderous".

Champion Red Ichigo is seinen then. I read some raws from that magazine. Most kanji don't have furigana (but that's only one of the guidelines, not the only one).

The seinen demographic hinges on a romantic comedy or Harem. Many western fans can't draw a parallel and have a distinct perspective between the synonyms.

However, there are many significant differences that don't stick to their tried-and-true method of spending half a decade building hype around their publishing scam and then subsequently raking in money hand-over-fist because people fell for it without rationalizing the validity of the situation.

It's due to this fanservice and corruption that is harming the infrastructure of manga.

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The seinen demographic hinges on a romantic comedy or Harem.

It does? The seinen I have read fall into neither category. Seinen can include any genre. After all it is only a demographic.

As for the rest of your post, I don't understand it, the point you were trying to make, or the relevance to the topic of false labeling.

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The seinen demographic hinges on a romantic comedy or Harem.

It does? The seinen I have read fall into neither category. Seinen can include any genre. After all it is only a demographic.

As for the rest of your post, I don't understand it, the point you were trying to make, or the relevance to the topic of false labeling.

Seinen is really aimed for the older audiences, it's purpose is derived of sexual explicit content, graphic violence, and adult humor for males...or so they say.

Point is, they use these 'labels' as a facade and it's a corruption scam within the comics market to have you blindly make transactions towards one label that suits you than the other when they are really in the same category. For instance jesei and seinen are extremely similar and really shouldn't be seperate using gender as an excuse for a variation. It's utter discrimination. It isn't even really a matter of false labeling, because they are all slanted wrongfully. The age difference I can understand but not gender, when in fact most of us would like the same manga regardless of our gender.

The magazines have you confused over what is shounen, jesei, or seinen but yet they are published in the same magazine, just with different consumer standards depending on what manga we're talking about. Doesn't that give a hint? It isn't limited by a 'label' and shouldn't have to be, that's like communism and puts everything in a box. This is one of the reasons why Shoujo is the only division published outside of Japan.

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Seriously people, your stereotypes and preconceptions of target demographics don't make them true.

The main problem is that one's stereotypes result in MU overflown with incorrect labels. But it's impossible to lock genre fields of all frequently mislabeled manga series 🙁 I also think that in this case (Dengeki Daoh's change of demographic) database will be thrown into disorder for a long time until people get used to Blood Alone (mentioned in Seinen Romance Appreciation Thread) and Gunslinger Girl being shounen.

I've suggested before and I still believe that the shounen, shoujo, seinen, and josei "genres" should be locked to a different "demographic" category in the database based on the magazine it ran in.

The "shounen" "seinen" labels or based solely off what magazine they're serialized in. Dengeki Daioh is a shounen manga, thus every title serialized under Dengeki Daioh is a shounen manga. Gunslinger Girl, Boogiepop Dual, Blood Alone are far different from than mangas with perceived shounen themes such as Toradora, Onegai Teacher, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann; but they are all shounen. This way of categorization eliminates judgment calls on how "mature" a manga is. Though, as others pointed out, there's some misinformation on what Dengeki Daioh actually is, but the source given seems to say shounen more than seinen.

Yes, shounen tends to have school life, action, comedy, romance, harem, adventure; while seinen tends to have psychological, drama, tragedy, adult themes; but it doesn't have to have such.

I won't read a manga with ugly art.

It doesn't matter what you consider seinen, it matters what magazine it was published in. If the magazine was targeted at seinen males, it's a seinen manga. Hell, Shugo Chara could be seinen if it was published in the right mag. Doesn't matter what you think of the content and it's obviously not false. Maybe you should have a proper grasping if what seinen means before you make posts.

I noticed loads of series hear with false labels and names ect.

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