I sent in a genre change request yesterday, but, who knows how long they'll respond or do anything about it. D: Everything in "Bokura no Kiseki" is above shoujo-esque storytelling already. You really need to think, pay attention, and enjoy the ride for what it is.

The admin locked it. I can tell this particular admin is not familiar with the Zero-Sum family too well, because he/she just simply looked up some online/offline sites, as stated. Quite understandable. However, they really should have left it open for those of us, who knows exactly what genre the Zero-Sum family promotes. (And, I have absolutely no idea about what kind of situation lead to the locking of the genre tags as I wasn't around for awhile. Was there some kind of genre tug-o-war?)

It'll be nice to get anyone's help to slightly help change the minds of the admins to unlock the genre tag so we can put the josei genre back in its place. (Or, let the admins change it.) Then, I can remove the edited note I put in. So, if you have some brief free time out of your busy schedules, check out: Change submission form

Thank you!

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Then why does Zero-Sum Ward have over 70 series that are listed as shoujo and not josei?

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.... By looking at Zero-Sum Ward here on MU I've only see Josei pop up 3 times .... (Most of the manga listed are Shoujo ....

Do you have any other proof other than it feels like a Josei, or the magazine mostly post Josei?
Seeing as some Shounen feel like Shoujo or vice versa. (Take Horimiya for example)


Just trying to help you out. Admins need proof in these cases with a locked section.



EDIT - lambchopsil beat me at saying Zero-Sum Ward has mostly Shoujo >.<

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>_< Because the scanlators and some random people don't know the actual genre of the manga phone book magazine. It's kind of understandable because the publisher never explicitly states the genre for both of their Zero-Sum magazine publications. (Not even on my volumes of "Bokura no Kiseki" will it tell you what it is, exactly.) The manga have furigana in it, but that doesn't exactly make them shoujo. I've seen seinen with furigana.

I did provide some online store links in my "change info request" form that tells you, in Japanese, the genre is "josei".

Here's another link. The Japanese Wikipedia page for Zero-Sum Ward. When you scroll down, you'll see the Category link section with the fourth link saying "josei manga publication" or 女性漫画雑誌. "Josei manga-gisshi." The Japanese are the source behind this, so they will know better.
Source: http://bit.ly/1ltPInG

If I have the time, I will post more links and even blog links of Japanese bloggers calling Zero-Sum manga "josei".

The English Wikipedia site for Monthly Zero-Sum got the genre right. No Ward page set up, so that's a double understandable.

EDIT: More links now that I have some time. I also truncated the Wikipedia link into a short URL.

1) Booklive.jp, that's directly connected to the Japanese version of Yahoo!Auctions: http://bit.ly/1wDNdTc ---- This is a link I sent via the "change request" form. The genre is listed as "josei".

2) Bookstore.yahoo.co..jp lists the book's category as "josei": http://bookstore.yahoo.co.jp/shoshi-183548/

3) Nico Nico Douga's video promotion of "Bokura no Kiseki" - http://seiga.nicovideo.jp/watch/bk66584 --
It clearly states:
著: 久米田夏緒
ジャンル: 女性コミック
シリーズ: ボクラノキセキ
レーベル: ZERO-SUMコミックス

Author: Kumeta Natsuo
Genre: Josei Comic
Series [name]: Bokura no Kiseki
Label: ZERO-SUM Comics

4) Hon Yomiuri's site listing of "Bokura no Kiseki" - http://bit.ly/1yTtIbe
See this slightly above the manga's image and information?
ジャンル： SF・ファンタジー 女性コミック
Genre: SF (Science Fiction) - Fantasy Josei Comic

5) Japanese blog example, taken from my favorite "Bokura no Kiseki" spoiler source: http://www.talesyotsuba.com/article/180912758.html

Part of her post reads....

という流れのス トーリーだった けど、
さすが女性漫画 家らしい感じに なっていて、
全体的にＬＯＶ Ｅな心理描写が 多い一話でした 。

To call this as the story's flow, however --- as one would expect, it became a feeling in the likeness of the josei mangaka's, who talked about numerous psychological descriptions of LOVE as a whole.


So, I could keep posting more links for you guys, but I think five are enough for now. Really late where I'm at. It really does help if you know, at least, some Japanese, to participate in your database. ^___^; (Come to think of it, every single Zero-Sum Ward manga that lists the genre as "shoujo" does need to be changed as well... Hm... )

Also, Zero-Sum Ward is essentially the same as Monthly Zero-Sum, but reserved for mangakas, who can't do monthly release deadlines.

With that said, I will wait patiently for any future response. Thank you!

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That's because at some point on this site, all Zero Sum titles were changed from josei to shoujo. All these titles used to be listed on this site as josei. That the titles are (mis)categorized as shoujo doesn't make the magazine shoujo; it's the other way around.

I know they were changed because I keep separate records of titles I've read and want to read, and in my records I have titles such as Azrael’s Edge, Private Detective Story, Saiyuki Gaiden, and Wild Adapter listed as josei.

The same thing was done to the sister title Comic Zero-Sum, for example 07-Ghost, Are You Alice?, di(e)ce, Karneval, Loveless, and Shirogane no Ou were all once listed on Manga Updates as josei. From the dates I have in my database, the change was apparently made some time between Jan 14 2013 and May 24 2013.

But you don't have to take my word for it. Please see this thread:
Site Poll Suggestions - Best Josei (No Shoujo)
The suggestions for 'best josei' include +C: Sword and Cornett, 07-Ghost, Amatsuki, and Olimpos, now all categorized as 'shoujo'. In particular see the post by Methaniel which says These titles must have been categorized as 'josei' at the time of the poll, because one of the rules is All entries that contain even a single incorrect entry (as deemed by this poll) will be disqualified and deleted., as stated by lambchopsil in the first post.

tgirl makes an excellent case for changing Zero-Sum Ward titles back to josei, and I would say Comic Zero Sum as well. It seems to me that these magazines are for both girls and women. It's possibly no more accurate to list all of their titles as josei than it is to list all of them shoujo. Rather than having someone decide which of the titles are which, I think a good solution would be to list all of the titles as both.

Thanks tgirl for bringing this up. I've been meaning to do so for some time, and just never got to it.

I remember 07-Ghost, Karneval and Are You Alice? being categorized as Josei since they were on my reading list and I tend to avoid shoujo like the plague.

same with +C: Sword and Cornett and almost all the other josei i have on my lists that are published in the Zero-Sum magazine. they were all changed to shoujo within the last year or so and im not sure why because i thought Zero-Sum was a josei magazine


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Both Comic Zero-Sum and Ward are still joseis. Karneval started out as josei. It will end in josei. Same goes for 07-Ghost, Are you Alice?, and every other series out of Monthly and Ward. So, this huge weird change to shoujo is what's befuddling me as well. I just had no idea since I didn't check in 2013 on a lot of the Zero-Sum manga status.

Also, to scarlet: You're welcome! Hope more people can speak up about this.

What should we do, everyone? How do we successfully convince the admins to actually fix this when we already have enough evidence/proof? :\

I'm part of the "updaters" group, but this is beyond my power. D: They locked most of the Zero-Sum genre slots since last year, as scarlet said (about the time period change).

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Zero-Sum is listed as shoujo at the behest of holy'bell - see this post:

(I'm not claiming knowledge one way or the other on the topic, just thought I'd post the stated reason for the switch.)

^ Thanks for the source link of where this started from, haha.

Now, I see why....

The beginning of that thread split the age groups more than it should've been. (I'm talking about candyloop's post.)

There is no such thing as "early teens", "teens", "older teens", etc. groupings in Asian comic magazines. You basically have "young girls", "teenage girls" (shoujo) and "young adults/adults" (josei). That's all there is to it. Japanese bookstores will give you shoujo and shounen shelves side-by-side while the josei and seinen manga have their own shelves, or, are placed in a separate area.

Candyloop posted:

But, this isn't so for young adult josei. It's not so black and white. I use to think this way until I started buying up some josei manga, myself. Josei, targeting the age group of 20+, still use a lot of furigana. This is probably the part that will trip up some people.

Going back to holy'bell's post.., the user wrote:


Holy mentioned "ARIA" along with the Sums. As far as I remember, ARIA was definitely not a mangazine aimed at younger readers.

And according to the Japanese Wiki: http://bit.ly/1jukZm2
It clearly states in the "Target Reader" box: 20代女性 - 20 years old josei
Meaning, young adult women. In Japan, 20 years old represents the "Coming of Age" into adulthood.

So, with that said, I'm suuuuuper curious as to what kind of sources Holy used to draw up some weird conclusions that these mangazines, targeting the josei crowd, are actually shoujo.

(Going through that josei mag list made me think it's time to do a revitalization of the mangazines?)

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A re-post reply:



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Edit: It appears the titles (if some or most) the Aria magazine are shoujo, so, yes, they are to remain shoujo. Another example is SSG.

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I don't know much about Aria, other than the belief that I thought it focused a lot on josei manga, but upon my own research of it, yeah... For SSG, it's definitely a shoujo manga series. Even the mangaka, on the official KC (Kodansha Comics) site, calls it a "shoujo manga". 　On a random Japanese blog, I found its user calling Aria a "shoujo mangazine". In the subject title for Aria's KC page, it literally says "shoujo" on it as well. So yeah, Aria is a mostly shoujo mangazine in that regards, that ironically, is aimed at the 20+ year old crowd (which is considered adult-age in Japan).

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How was this resolved? If Our Miracle was allowed to be changed to josei because Comic Zero-Sum and Zero-Sum War are josei magazines, then shouldn't all their titles be changed to josei? At the least, since it seems to be a gray area, the titles should be both shoujo and josei.

One or the other, not both. Which one it remains on is a case-to-case basis. And if people keeping changing it so that it flip-flops between the two, I'm just gonna lock the field so that it can't be changed anymore

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