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Personally I'd avoid spanking since by personal experience, a kid can get used to the pain fairly quickly. That and I'd be worried about killing the kid in frustration. No, I'd do as the dog whisperer would do to control the kid. Exercise, discipline and then affection.

First I'd make the kid do push ups until he collapses, limit access to food, water and electricity and when the kid finally stops swearing to cut me in my sleep, let him go to sleep earlier rather than make me sandals to sell in Chinatown.

Forced labor/exercise in that form is still corporal punishment.

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for the ones that are out of control, yes but i think there needs to be a better way to punish kids than hitting them.

Valium, perhaps?... 😛
On a more serious note, if they're boys, you could make them wear a dress and walk around the neighborhood, letting all the other kids laugh at them.... that could stop them from misbehaving in future.

I wouldn't mind wearing a dress.

been there, done that, nothing special about it.

i've never been spanked...slaps on the other hand were occasional but always deserved...

for punishment there's always been labor...never that no dinner (kids are in development after all), or go to your room and no TV stuff.

if i ever have kids i'll probably do the same (well without slapping girls)...i'm not saying i turned up alright...but i show respect to elders, do what i'm said without (to much) nagging, and hide my porn with skill.

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Instead my parents either spanked me or made me stand with my face to the wall and raise my arms straight up in the air.

lool Guantanamo?!? 😲

anyway, i agree with the entirety of the post from kirbyhead :3

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Personally I'd avoid spanking since by personal experience, a kid can get used to the pain fairly quickly. That and I'd be worried about killing the kid in frustration. No, I'd do as the dog whisperer would do to control the kid. Exercise, discipline and then affection.

First I'd make the kid do push ups until he collapses, limit access to food, water and electricity and when the kid finally stops swearing to cut me in my sleep, let him go to sleep earlier rather than make me sandals to sell in Chinatown.

Forced labor/exercise in that form is still corporal punishment.

But still legal in the U.S. and that's what counts. Besides, people here don't get enough exercise. Muscle development is far better than tenderizing the kid. Leaves less evidence for the social workers too. 😉

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As to your logic though, why would you use a violent method (violence defined as "physical force exerted so as to injure, abuse, or inflict pain") that may or may not work when there are so many alternatives that are non-violent and have the same impact?

I think your logic is pretty silly. What method has the same effect? Physical discipline has an immediate effect, and a permanent effect on the sub-conscious. If a 5-hour talk can do that, then I'd rather just beat my kids for 20 seconds and save both me and my kids time...

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Personally I'd avoid spanking since by personal experience, a kid can get used to the pain fairly quickly. That and I'd be worried about killing the kid in frustration. No, I'd do as the dog whisperer would do to control the kid. Exercise, discipline and then affection.

First I'd make the kid do push ups until he collapses, limit access to food, water and electricity and when the kid finally stops swearing to cut me in my sleep, let him go to sleep earlier rather than make me sandals to sell in Chinatown.

Forced labor/exercise in that form is still corporal punishment.

But still legal in the U.S. and that's what counts. Besides, people here don't get enough exercise. Muscle development is far better than tenderizing the kid. Leaves less evidence for the social workers too. 😉

Well, I wasn't trying to say you were wrong, in fact I agree with that method of discipline.

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That was a great book 😃

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lol corporal punishment reminds me of russell peters
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As to your logic though, why would you use a violent method (violence defined as "physical force exerted so as to injure, abuse, or inflict pain") that may or may not work when there are so many alternatives that are non-violent and have the same impact?

I think your logic is pretty silly. What method has the same effect? Physical discipline has an immediate effect, and a permanent effect on the sub-conscious. If a 5-hour talk can do that, then I'd rather just beat my kids for 20 seconds and save both me and my kids time...

I'm not suggesting that you give five hour lectures- that's obviously inefficient. However, there are plenty of other ways to create negative associations that are quick on time for you and don't require violence. Personally, I'm more in favor of punishment that is restrictive and lasting over pain- taking away privileges and the like, which definitely does leave a solid impression, but even then there are a variety of other choices you can make. But then again, this thread has basically gone over all this already, without really changing either way -_-;;.

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lol, I did an essay on this exact topic a few months ago!

hmmm... but I can only say that it depends on the circumstances when spanking a child. I definately agree that to much corporal punishment is not good. If an alternative is open then by all means I think it should be used, but at the same time if spanking is appropriate in the circumstances I think it's ok. Although we have to remember that way to much corporal punishment could have serious repercussions on a child later on in their life (aka. beating a kid for the slightest little thing won't be good for them later on, I'm sure).

everyone has their own opinions I guess.

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lol, I did an essay on this exact topic a few months ago!

hmmm... but I can only say that it depends on the circumstances when spanking a child. I definately agree that to much corporal punishment is not good. If an alternative is open then by all means I think it should be used, but at the same time if spanking is appropriate in the circumstances I think it's ok. Although we have to remember that way to much corporal punishment could have serious repercussions on a child later on in their life (aka. beating a kid for the slightest little thing won't be good for them later on, I'm sure).

everyone has their own opinions I guess.

Aren't there institutions to go after the people who take it too far?

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Yes, every child is different, but if corporal punishment was so effective, you wouldn't have people in prison. It really is a similar situation, and the programs that most affect re-offense rates are the ones that work one the aforementioned values.

please, please, dont say such average and shallow things or im gonna puke my lunch...

Anyway for me its basically 1-2 warnings then "HELLO SPANK!" >:3

And for who says that spanking=violence=more violence in the future from the kid....you read too many manga of father-son hatred themes, trust me. We're speaking about spanking, not family abuse.

So why do you have to disagree with me by insulting me instead of simply stating your opinion respectfully?

In any case, I personally believe that spanking is bordering on child abuse, and you're not going to change my mind with these kinds of arguments. If you want to persuade me of something you're going to have to rethink your attitude.

To go into a little more detail, when I work on behavioural modification on my clients I find it much more effective to use very personalized methods which are different with every kindividual, such as rewarding/discussing positive behaviour, though only certain behaviours in certain situations. Bringing a sense of responsibilty by making the person more cognizant of the natural consequences of their actions as opposed to a punishment I mete out. For example, if you behave in a certain way people will not want to spend time with you/will lose respect for you. This I find creates a change in attitude that lasts a lot longer than the memory of a spanking. It is using a cognitive behavioural approach, which changes the way the individual thinks in permanent way.

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@Evangelion: it was YOUR statement that was so banal to be considered an insult to all intelligent readers/persons. I DARE anyone say the contrary (or agree with you). And i only replied what i felt reading it. My opinion is stated just some post above (or pages), anyway i already contributed to this topic, so please READ it all from the beginning :3

The lolliful thing is you stated an ABSOLUTE statement like that i evidentiated, and then, when picked, you go into the specific argumentation to cover for your senseless phrase. I in fact agree with your last lines, because they are logical and normal. Next time post them instead of some fast cooking lines and there'll be no trouble finding people who agree. In short, be specific, not generic.

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@Evangelion: it was YOUR statement that was so banal to be considered an insult to all intelligent readers/persons. I DARE anyone say the contrary (or agree with you). And i only replied what i felt reading it. My opinion is stated just some post above (or pages), anyway i already contributed to this topic, so please READ it all from the beginning :3

The lolliful thing is you stated an ABSOLUTE statement like that i evidentiated, and then, when picked, you go into the specific argumentation to cover for your senseless phrase. I in fact agree with your last lines, because they are logical and normal. Next time post them instead of some fast cooking lines and there'll be no trouble finding people who agree. In short, be specific, not generic.

Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. I still disagree with the way you chose to express your sentiments. It is insulting, whether you disagree with me or not. Mayhaps you should chose to rethink the way you present your arguments. In short, be respectful, not defensive.

In any case, I don't have the time to read every post, I work full-time. Sometimes I even find myself responding to posts at illogical hours of the morning, though I should know better. Anyway, this type of argument is something I probably should not spend my meager allotment of minutes on.

Seriously though, I was insulted, and I got defensive. Perpetuating my reaction doesn't make it more rational or wise. Sometimes one should rethink one's own actions and ponder if maybe the way we present ourselves should be altered. This is all I seek from my interaction with you, a thoughtful rethinking of your reaction to something you considered a banality. This is, after all, the way in which we learn and grow.