Huh...didn't think I'd get these many replies on my 1st post...

But for the people that thought that I only hated the bossy girls, that's not the case. I also stated that I hated how the male leads who are pussies that let them run them over, or they try to man up but a epic fail knocks them out for the 10 count. And for the people that think I only read harem or ecchi, just go look at my 1st reply to Dr. Love on the 1st page of the post.

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On topic though, I think some people are actually turned on by that interaction. It's actually a desirable part of a series for some people. I can't really explain why, but sometimes I find those interactions desirable. What annoys me more is in harems where the main male lead can't make up his mind and sandbags around with a bunch of women.

In addition, if you took that interaction away, you basically remove some key parts of the interaction between the male and female leads, which shifts the story away from their relationship. If the relationship is important to the theme of the story, then you'll see different levels of teasing or whatever. They basically have to have some sort of interaction, and turbulent interaction is much more interesting to viewers then "Dear, would you like me to make you a sandwich?"...

I actually have a friend like that. So I guess it's just different strokes for different folks...

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I'm slightly bending the topic here, but one thing i have noticed alarmingly in manga is the number of 'small built girls' who can beat up/physically overpower larger guys.

A few examples would be Love Hina (the main guy getting punched/kicked all the time), School rumble (tenma throwing harima judo style), and possibly hatsukoi limited, i swear Ayumi does something to some guy when some guys try to fight the big guy (forgot names).

I knew I forgot to put that in the question. It kinda makes my stomach hurt when I see that because I have a friend who's 4'11" and she's perfect height for doing a kamehameha at my solar plexus 🤣

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I look at it slightly differently from how most of the responses I've read have come across.

Basically, Japan is historically a quiet, non-confrontational culture, right? But as Japan has become more and more westernized, they've come to think of the self-reliant "American" woman as something of an ideal juxtaposition to their traditional belief that women should be seen and not heard. So what we have in manga is that idea personified to the extreme, creating highly loud confrontational (big-titted) female characters showing dominance over their surroundings as well as incredibly timid (flat chested) weak female characters providing the traditional stereotype. Obviously, the portrayal of an incredibly non-Japanese girl must also include aspects other than their appearance, so they also scream a lot, provide excessive physical contact (either lovingly or through violence) and typically have hobbies that are usually characterized with sports or loud music or any number of other 'non-traditional' pursuits.

Once you get into more realistic stories, the characters become more and more 'real', acting in ways that most actual people wouldn't find offensive.

Summary: A mangaka takes every personality slider in a character's option menu and put them either at maximum or at minimum, unless the story is for a mature audience.

The best answer on the post so far. I guess now, I'll just have to tone down on hating them so much. But if it gets TOO ridiculous, I'll drop it immediately.

And I'm glad that I finally got the whole "multi-reply post" thing down 😀

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Just because someone's head was chopped off doesn't mean they're dead. That's just silly.

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huh... dunno what else...

As far is I understand you are pretty hard to please and is 2 AM here, so I don't have anything else to offer right now 😮

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Oh, I never said you couldn't hate it. It's really a love or hate situation for a lot of people. Personally, I've always preferred the tomboyish girls (my lady friend rented a kung fu movie tonight...), so I can look past unnatural violence as nothing but a way for the author to show strength of character assuming the rest of the story (or just the art, sometimes) is to my liking (the sports girl was always the first one I did when I played bishoujo games). I'm just shallow that way. But it's cool, I love me for who I am.

On a side note, since I'm thinking about it, one thing I absolutely hate (and as I mire myself deeper and deeper into the seinen genre, it becomes so much more prevalent) is seinen manga that has a super nice female main character in a love story. Because inevitably she ends up banging some dude that doesn't love her and that makes me sad. I was reading an old seinen that's not published anymore by the title of You Don't Know What Love Is and the main character's sister is like the nicest character ever but keeps getting caught up with shit guys... couldn't read any more after like volume 4. Just too nerve-wracking ('Will she sleep with that guy... no no no... oh, ok, good... no, not another one! No! Not your boss! Die a virgin, damnit!').

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Ubel Blatt...
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huh... dunno what else...

As far is I understand you are pretty hard to please and is 2 AM here, so I don't have anything else to offer right now 😮

Lol that's not it, it's just that I hate the mangas that have it in the extreme or where it happens for most of the story

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I think I get what ur saying, and it annoys me too. It's like when the woman has some totally great guy and she is just ridiculously mean to him. I mean if i were lucky enough to get a guy like that I certainly wouldn't treat him like that. It's not like the woman has to be totally submissive or something either, like stand up for herself but not become a super annoying bitch.
On a slightly related topic some mentioned that there would be no romance in One Piece, where did they get that info? I hope they're wrong though NamiXLuffy is soo cute 😀

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I think I get what ur saying, and it annoys me too. It's like when the woman has some totally great guy and she is just ridiculously mean to him. I mean if i were lucky enough to get a guy like that I certainly wouldn't treat him like that. It's not like the woman has to be totally submissive or something either, like stand up for herself but not become a super annoying bitch.
On a slightly related topic some mentioned that there would be no romance in One Piece, where did they get that info? I hope they're wrong though NamiXLuffy is soo cute 😀

Someone asked Oda questions like that in his Q&A corner. The only two answers I could find were that they were all too in love with their adventure to be in love with anyone else and that it would be impossible to date because they were on the ship most of the time. I have no idea how that last one makes sense (Unless he means that one of the characters would have a love interest that wasn't a part of the crew), but basically he just doesn't want romance in the story

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I dont mind bossy/violent girls, its the pussy, weaksauce guys that have no backbone that piss me off to no end.
it might be cuz of my love of tsunderes.

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If anyone has ever lived in a large mixed sex household, where people are all about the same age, I think something will become apparent :

The "Females" rule the roost.

Even with men who have a strong character in real life, get dominated by women - as in my house, we are 10 + strong (alot of guests), and the dominant, more aggressive and powerful people are the girls.

Its just reflecting real life to be honest.

Someone pointed out Sakura in Naruto, shes not just a girl, shes a ninja, she "fights".

In all honesty as someone who trains a fights in combat sports / arts the women DO take the more aggressive stances generally. And we will hit the men when we get pissed off, we will gang up and beat them down verbally, but thats just the relationship that myself and my friends enjoy and accept.

Isn't this just the case in manga?

I think the guys just consider it too much of a mountain to climb to stand against the girls.

I think anyone who has lived in a mixed household situation (without being "attatched" to anyone in the household) can understand these relationships.

So I feel maybe the topic starter has not had much exp. of real life in this respect?

Vix.

girls in an household, are simply bossy and sometimes malevolent. Guess its because they are insecure and try everyday to secure their personal space/rights. Never seen a male behaving like this. :3

@Threadstarter: because the world literally revolves around the PSSY. And in most mangas its like that too, so you have the supahdupahcoolah hero that goes emo and is treated like sht by a girlbrat. Sad 🤣

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I need a die with 2 sides.

That's known as a "coin".

Oh, thanks. Too much D&D.

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That's point lol XD TY for summarising it lol

Guess its because they are insecure and try everyday to secure their personal space/rights.

Its the same in fiction, this is how a lot of girls act, so why shouldn't it be an exaggerated (maybe) reflection of real life?

If you look at it from one point of view, its almost fighting for their role in the story?

Vix.

Shounen are aimed at boys. A tsundere character opens up a lot of plot possibilities. You'll find that shoujo manga are often the other way around and the men are dominant.

Also, the manga you put on the first page all have examples of the opposite, i.e
sakura -> naruto
sasuke -> sakura

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Shounen are aimed at boys. A tsundere character opens up a lot of plot possibilities. You'll find that shoujo manga are often the other way around and the men are dominant.

Also, the manga you put on the first page all have examples of the opposite, i.e
sakura -> naruto
sasuke -> sakura

I feel this way too. Thanks for typing it up for me.

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Someone asked Oda questions like that in his Q&A corner. The only two answers I could find were that they were all too in love with their adventure to be in love with anyone else and that it would be impossible to date because they were on the ship most of the time. I have no idea how that last one makes sense (Unless he means that one of the characters would have a love interest that wasn't a part of the crew), but basically he just doesn't want romance in the story

God damn it! I was hoping since Goku and Bulma didn't get together at least Luffy and Nami would 🤢

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If anyone has ever lived in a large mixed sex household, where people are all about the same age, I think something will become apparent :

The "Females" rule the roost.

Even with men who have a strong character in real life, get dominated by women - as in my house, we are 10 + strong (alot of guests), and the dominant, more aggressive and powerful people are the girls.

Its just reflecting real life to be honest.

Someone pointed out Sakura in Naruto, shes not just a girl, shes a ninja, she "fights".

In all honesty as someone who trains a fights in combat sports / arts the women DO take the more aggressive stances generally. And we will hit the men when we get pissed off, we will gang up and beat them down verbally, but thats just the relationship that myself and my friends enjoy and accept.

Isn't this just the case in manga?

I think the guys just consider it too much of a mountain to climb to stand against the girls.

I think anyone who has lived in a mixed household situation (without being "attatched" to anyone in the household) can understand these relationships.

So I feel maybe the topic starter has not had much exp. of real life in this respect?

Vix.

In actuality, I understand and I don't understand where you come from.

I've had girlfriends who were aggressive (even one who took Vale Tudo), but I haven't lived in a household with anyone that wasn't my family yet (living by yourself in an apartment is getting a little lonely now >:-( )

Personally, I don't consider it a mountain to climb to stand up against the women. But I guess that's because I have common sense 🙂

By the way you described the place you live, it sounds a little like Love Hina 😀

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I don't have the time to read all the thread here so I'm gonna suggest something and sorry if already mentioned:

GTO
Shin Angyo Onshi
Gunslinger Girl
Spiral
Vampire Juujikai
Superior
Kodomo no Omocha
Kurozuka
D-Ash
etc.etc.

These are manga where the male stand up the female or the girl is "leaded" by the guy or they have an equal relationship. Various genres.

To me bossy female lead is just a character cliché that some manga have. Like to have a wimpy main male lead, the perverted best friend, the tsundere oujo-san. It's mainly a shounen cliché so there are definitely more manga that don't follow that rule in the other demographics.

The insight reason why they exist to me is that this help a lot the maintenance of the story even if a mangaka run temporally out of idea, I mean that a bossy female lead is attached to the main guy and could have many "interesting" moment with him, but still have a concrete reason to not let keep the story go in another direction, like hooking up (because her "ego"), so the relationship could stall and the manga keep going on the same length for a lot.

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