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You know, after I voted and saw the poll numbers, I was a tad incredulous at first... and then I sat down and thought about it, and realized that most of my other otaku friends are also rather bright... So maybe the results aren't entirely inaccurate?

That depends on various factors. Basically, an otaku in a country where manga is not popular is someone different from the norm. For example, and otaku in America (pure speculation) may not spend as much time goofing around in the worst sense of the word. An otaku in India (from experience) is different from the people who spend almost all their time roaming around town. These type of people are not flocking sheep, but people who think, form their own opinions, and are stick to them. Usually, people of this kind tend to use their brains a tad more, because of obvious reasons.

Just my opinion, though.

I think that's a very reasonable opinion, and not entirely untrue. I suppose that the trend could be said to be true of people attempting to experience any form of foreign culture though, regardless of origin or medium.

I spy, with my little otaku IQ, that all of the logic used on this thread is lame. "Yay, look at my stereotypes and disgustingly vague statements! Don't they lookz smart??"
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[quote=Mamsmilk]Enough to move my hips in a piston movement.

While that is very funny, I don't think that action requires any intelligence at all. Just ask the monkeys, the horses, the cows, the dogs..... you get the drift. 😛

That's the point. All the intelligence that actually matters for the humankind.

I agree with you on principle, but I believe we owe the planet an apology and a fix-up before heading back to our caves.
Dibs on the one with the stash gaming systems, games, mangas, novels, and solar cells 😛 [/quote]
Those things have little to do with what shape does not belong into the group.

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[quote=Mamsmilk][quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk]Enough to move my hips in a piston movement.

While that is very funny, I don't think that action requires any intelligence at all. Just ask the monkeys, the horses, the cows, the dogs..... you get the drift. 😛

That's the point. All the intelligence that actually matters for the humankind.

Mammy and Bunny both have high SM scores, like Iva-chan.
(That's better than IQ scores)[/quote]

So IQ=SM to you, eh? No wonder amaranthine.[/quote]

No, IQ < SM.
I don't know my IQ. SM is easier to know, right? [/quote]

I see, you are right, because you are totally S, right?

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[quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk]Enough to move my hips in a piston movement.

While that is very funny, I don't think that action requires any intelligence at all. Just ask the monkeys, the horses, the cows, the dogs..... you get the drift. 😛

That's the point. All the intelligence that actually matters for the humankind.

I agree with you on principle, but I believe we owe the planet an apology and a fix-up before heading back to our caves.
Dibs on the one with the stash gaming systems, games, mangas, novels, and solar cells 😛 [/quote]
Those things have little to do with what shape does not belong into the group.[/quote]
You lost me 😕

There are times when you will miss what you never had. I wonder how you will find what you so desperately need.

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[quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk]Enough to move my hips in a piston movement.

While that is very funny, I don't think that action requires any intelligence at all. Just ask the monkeys, the horses, the cows, the dogs..... you get the drift. 😛

That's the point. All the intelligence that actually matters for the humankind.

I agree with you on principle, but I believe we owe the planet an apology and a fix-up before heading back to our caves.
Dibs on the one with the stash gaming systems, games, mangas, novels, and solar cells 😛 [/quote]
Those things have little to do with what shape does not belong into the group.[/quote]

Unless the shape is a metaphor for God and the group is humanity. : O.

The trick to IQ tests is clearly to think outside the box. The shape that doesn't belong is always the one that you would be willing to believe has absolute power over all of your actions. If none of them do, don't answer, because it's clearly a trick question.

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[quote=Mamsmilk][quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk]Enough to move my hips in a piston movement.

While that is very funny, I don't think that action requires any intelligence at all. Just ask the monkeys, the horses, the cows, the dogs..... you get the drift. 😛

That's the point. All the intelligence that actually matters for the humankind.

I agree with you on principle, but I believe we owe the planet an apology and a fix-up before heading back to our caves.
Dibs on the one with the stash gaming systems, games, mangas, novels, and solar cells 😛 [/quote]
Those things have little to do with what shape does not belong into the group.[/quote]

Unless the shape is a metaphor for God and the group is humanity. : O.

The trick to IQ tests is clearly to think outside the box. The shape that doesn't belong is always the one that you would be willing to believe has absolute power over all of your actions. If none of them do, don't answer, because it's clearly a trick question.[/quote]

Ah, now I get it.
Took the test out of curiosity, result got lost, couldn't care less. I know I'm a genius, the only other person whose opinion matters is the one who decides whether I get into my favourite college or not.

There are times when you will miss what you never had. I wonder how you will find what you so desperately need.

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[quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk][quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk]Enough to move my hips in a piston movement.

While that is very funny, I don't think that action requires any intelligence at all. Just ask the monkeys, the horses, the cows, the dogs..... you get the drift. 😛

That's the point. All the intelligence that actually matters for the humankind.

I agree with you on principle, but I believe we owe the planet an apology and a fix-up before heading back to our caves.
Dibs on the one with the stash gaming systems, games, mangas, novels, and solar cells 😛 [/quote]
Those things have little to do with what shape does not belong into the group.[/quote]

Unless the shape is a metaphor for God and the group is humanity. : O.

The trick to IQ tests is clearly to think outside the box. The shape that doesn't belong is always the one that you would be willing to believe has absolute power over all of your actions. If none of them do, don't answer, because it's clearly a trick question.[/quote]

Ah, now I get it.
Took the test out of curiosity, result got lost, couldn't care less. I know I'm a genius, the only other person whose opinion matters is the one who decides whether I get into my favourite college or not.[/quote]

If you are so cool with how smart you are, then why do you feel the need to tell us that? You think we care?

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[quote=amaranthine][quote=Mamsmilk][quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk]Enough to move my hips in a piston movement.

While that is very funny, I don't think that action requires any intelligence at all. Just ask the monkeys, the horses, the cows, the dogs..... you get the drift. 😛

That's the point. All the intelligence that actually matters for the humankind.

Mammy and Bunny both have high SM scores, like Iva-chan.
(That's better than IQ scores)[/quote]

So IQ=SM to you, eh? No wonder amaranthine.[/quote]

No, IQ < SM.
I don't know my IQ. SM is easier to know, right? [/quote]

I see, you are right, because you are totally S, right?[/quote]

Smart? Thank you, Tsutoes. 😀

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[quote=Mamsmilk][quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk][quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk]Enough to move my hips in a piston movement.

While that is very funny, I don't think that action requires any intelligence at all. Just ask the monkeys, the horses, the cows, the dogs..... you get the drift. 😛

That's the point. All the intelligence that actually matters for the humankind.

I agree with you on principle, but I believe we owe the planet an apology and a fix-up before heading back to our caves.
Dibs on the one with the stash gaming systems, games, mangas, novels, and solar cells 😛 [/quote]
Those things have little to do with what shape does not belong into the group.[/quote]

Unless the shape is a metaphor for God and the group is humanity. : O.

The trick to IQ tests is clearly to think outside the box. The shape that doesn't belong is always the one that you would be willing to believe has absolute power over all of your actions. If none of them do, don't answer, because it's clearly a trick question.[/quote]

Ah, now I get it.
Took the test out of curiosity, result got lost, couldn't care less. I know I'm a genius, the only other person whose opinion matters is the one who decides whether I get into my favourite college or not.[/quote]

If you are so cool with how smart you are, then why do you feel the need to tell us that? You think we care?[/quote]

You think I care if you care? (leaving topic before our greek ruler comes along)

There are times when you will miss what you never had. I wonder how you will find what you so desperately need.

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[quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk][quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk]Enough to move my hips in a piston movement.

While that is very funny, I don't think that action requires any intelligence at all. Just ask the monkeys, the horses, the cows, the dogs..... you get the drift. 😛

That's the point. All the intelligence that actually matters for the humankind.

I agree with you on principle, but I believe we owe the planet an apology and a fix-up before heading back to our caves.
Dibs on the one with the stash gaming systems, games, mangas, novels, and solar cells 😛 [/quote]
Those things have little to do with what shape does not belong into the group.[/quote]

Unless the shape is a metaphor for God and the group is humanity. : O.

The trick to IQ tests is clearly to think outside the box. The shape that doesn't belong is always the one that you would be willing to believe has absolute power over all of your actions. If none of them do, don't answer, because it's clearly a trick question.[/quote]

Ah, now I get it.
Took the test out of curiosity, result got lost, couldn't care less. I know I'm a genius, the only other person whose opinion matters is the one who decides whether I get into my favourite college or not.[/quote]

...I wouldn't be so confident about your genius if you were unable to tell what Mams was talking about : |.

But you're right. It doesn't matter. Intelligence isn't something you can change anyway, although you seem oddly defensive which I find quite hilarious.

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[quote=Mamsmilk][quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk][quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk]Enough to move my hips in a piston movement.

While that is very funny, I don't think that action requires any intelligence at all. Just ask the monkeys, the horses, the cows, the dogs..... you get the drift. 😛

That's the point. All the intelligence that actually matters for the humankind.

I agree with you on principle, but I believe we owe the planet an apology and a fix-up before heading back to our caves.
Dibs on the one with the stash gaming systems, games, mangas, novels, and solar cells 😛 [/quote]
Those things have little to do with what shape does not belong into the group.[/quote]

Unless the shape is a metaphor for God and the group is humanity. : O.

The trick to IQ tests is clearly to think outside the box. The shape that doesn't belong is always the one that you would be willing to believe has absolute power over all of your actions. If none of them do, don't answer, because it's clearly a trick question.[/quote]

Ah, now I get it.
Took the test out of curiosity, result got lost, couldn't care less. I know I'm a genius, the only other person whose opinion matters is the one who decides whether I get into my favourite college or not.[/quote]

...I wouldn't be so confident about your genius if you were unable to tell what Mams was talking about : |.

But you're right. It doesn't matter. Intelligence isn't something you can change anyway, although you seem oddly defensive which I find quite hilarious.
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I got confused - I didn't know he was refering to the question type. It's been years since I did one of those.
I'm possibly defensive, but more possibly on a chest-beating run.
Right, this is my last post. Maybe.

There are times when you will miss what you never had. I wonder how you will find what you so desperately need.

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[quote=tsuto][quote=amaranthine][quote=Mamsmilk][quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk]Enough to move my hips in a piston movement.

While that is very funny, I don't think that action requires any intelligence at all. Just ask the monkeys, the horses, the cows, the dogs..... you get the drift. 😛

That's the point. All the intelligence that actually matters for the humankind.

Mammy and Bunny both have high SM scores, like Iva-chan.
(That's better than IQ scores)[/quote]

So IQ=SM to you, eh? No wonder amaranthine.[/quote]

No, IQ < SM.
I don't know my IQ. SM is easier to know, right? [/quote]

No, the other S! You know which!
I see, you are right, because you are totally S, right?[/quote]

Smart? Thank you, Tsutoes. 😀 [/quote]

No, the other S, you know which!

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While most of the things you state generally have the potential to be true, a lot of them are also either fallacious or misguided.

That's not honest. Not much of what I've said was misguided or fallacious. I clearly stated that I'd be providing "factors to be taken into consideration" for people, to explain why the IQ score results were so skewed.

If anything, your original incredulity over the possibility that there could be so many high IQ scores (coupled with your remark about peoples' generally poor communication skills) was misguided.

What I had provided were possible explanations and I made no claim that they necessarily had to be true. However, they certainly give pause for thought; we can't automatically dismiss these results. We don't have reason to accept or dismiss. You even admit "most of the things you state generally have the potential to be true".

Response bias matters, but then again, it's pretty hard to authenticate an online IQ test, which do, statistically speaking, try to report higher IQs in order to please potential customers.

When you talk about "tens of thousands" of MU users, you have to remember that far from all of them even glance at the forums in general, much less chatterbox, much less this specific thread. Even if that were irrelevant, and accounting from response bias, the results shouldn't change by a full factor of ten.

A full factor of "ten"...

If you mean 10 IQ points, that's not that significant, especially when we're dealing with a non-random sample.

If you meant a magnitude (x10), it's not out of the question that out of the few thousand that are active, about 70 have IQ 140 and decide to post. Perhaps they took the upper range of the IQ test results they've gotten. Maybe 10-20 lied.

For the most part, I think most people who commented on this thread were pretty honest. When they didn't know their IQ score, they'd flat out say, "I don't know my IQ score, but I have good grades, and I'm smarter than most of the people around me." Hardly unbelievable.

I would be willing to bet significant money, even if we did have a way to accurately check this, that a lot of the responses are rough self-estimates from people who have never actually been tested but have a high opinion of their intelligence. Heck, that probably goes for the category below that as well, which is also well outside the regular curve.

"A lot" of response, sure, but I think 70-80 out of a few hundred responses is within the same order of magnitude of what the real number should be. Some tech forums I've been to where the majority of the posters were developers, about 80% of the people polled claimed that their IQ was over 140. That 80% seems like a lot and a lot of them were unfortunately rude, socially awkward, and arrogant, but when you look at context, it isn't outside the scope of reality.

As far as communication skills go, obviously I was ribbing the same group I've been poking fun at the whole time, but I will say that essentially all (though not quite, let's say 90% or so) of the people with higher IQs that I have become acquainted with tend to simply be better observers, which does often lend better communication skills if they stop and think for a moment. Given that I have also been thoroughly underwhelmed time and time again by self-styled "geniuses," I may have a bit of a bias, but that subgroup is so much larger than those with legitimate credentials and abilities that it's hard for me to take anyone who claims intelligence seriously without an adequate example to evaluate.

Granted, I waved away what should have been an obvious joke on your part at the expense of socially awkward geniuses. 😛

However, I disagree that all or even most higher IQ tend to be better at social skills. Perhaps the people you've become acquainted with are. A lot of professors I know certainly are as well. However, a lot of people I know who have high IQ are struggling with money, lazy, inconsiderate, apathetic, etc. It's not from lack of desire that they aren't rich, swarmed by attractive suitors, etc.

My brother's IQ was tested numerous times to be in the 170 range. Aside from being used to ace his classes, where do his powers of observation go? Towards Starcraft 2. 😛
(He makes great observations about that game, for sure, but he's not going to get rich or win the adoration of his own harem from just that. He's not even in the Master league due to his poor micro, and hand/eye coordination.)

IQ tests for the most part test the conscious. Much of one's social skills come from subconscious response, behaviour (as you pointed out), appearance, etc. Of the three Aristotelian appeals, Ethos, Pathos, and Logos, only one has much to do with IQ. Aside from personal appeal, one's success and worth to society is determined by even more --numerous-- factors.

All that said, IQ is outdated and largely irrelevant anyway. It's a good tool for measuring a couple specific aptitudes, but you won't find many experts who weren't educated during the 70s, mostly, who would still claim that it's the best measure of 'intelligence' (which I would argue is largely behavioral anyway, but that's another story entirely.) This is still an evolving field, after all.

Yes, for the most part. That's why I don't think we should be putting IQ on a pedestal. I think you are doing that, which is why we're having this disconnect. Otherwise, if you think about it, we agree with each other ( notwithstanding misguided responses to each other).

Just turn your bias from being "thoroughly underwhelmed time and time again by self-styled geniuses" into the realization that "one IQ genius out of every few hundred" isn't such a big deal, and doesn't necessarily translate into success. If it did, I wouldn't be stuck at middle management. My powers of observation would... should translate into better charisma and "street smarts" (I hate that term).

Now for something interesting:

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Unless the shape is a metaphor for God and the group is humanity. : O.

The trick to IQ tests is clearly to think outside the box. The shape that doesn't belong is always the one that you would be willing to believe has absolute power over all of your actions. If none of them do, don't answer, because it's clearly a trick question.

What you say here reminded me... something about older IQ tests, how they held unwanted cultural context. Even some modern ones do.

People from different cultures do think differently, and this plays heavily into problems/quizzes involving pattern matching (which IQ tests often have a lot of).

For those who are interested, please see this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcSXM4k0aSY

And note the survey question on the flower groups. This vid also features a few words from Prof Nisbett, whom I brought up in another discussion (World Unification) when talking about differences in cultures..

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[quote=amaranthine][quote=tsuto][quote=amaranthine][quote=Mamsmilk][quote=Casey D. Geek][quote=Mamsmilk]Enough to move my hips in a piston movement.

While that is very funny, I don't think that action requires any intelligence at all. Just ask the monkeys, the horses, the cows, the dogs..... you get the drift. 😛

That's the point. All the intelligence that actually matters for the humankind.

Mammy and Bunny both have high SM scores, like Iva-chan.
(That's better than IQ scores)[/quote]

So IQ=SM to you, eh? No wonder amaranthine.[/quote]

No, IQ < SM.
I don't know my IQ. SM is easier to know, right? [/quote]

No, the other S! You know which!
I see, you are right, because you are totally S, right?[/quote]

Smart? Thank you, Tsutoes. 😀 [/quote]

No, the other S, you know which![/quote]
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I was tested for gifted in middle school and your IQ has to be higher then 130 to get in, I got in. So somewhere around there or higher.