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Eminem
50 Cent
T.Pain
Chris brown
R.Kelly
The Game
D12
LiL John
LiL Wayne
Fat Joe
and many more but i forget....

how can u not hav either Tupac or Biggie in your list, two the greatest rappers

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his songs are very emotionaly and has lots of passion not like nowadays.

u not searchin hard enough brotha.

idk dude, lil waynes lollipop is not great in any way, no llyrically ability in tht song. Tupac's all songs are great or good, All Eyes on Me, Changes, Mama's Just a Little girl, Troublesome '96, etc....all hav deep meanings in them. i jus dont like rappers who jus talk bout crap shit in ther songs.

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Eminem
50 Cent
T.Pain
Chris brown
R.Kelly
The Game
D12
LiL John
LiL Wayne
Fat Joe
and many more but i forget....

how can u not hav either Tupac or Biggie in your list, two the greatest rappers

i wasn't gonna say anything but now that you start attackin other people's list ima speak. pac and biggie were the two most overrated rappers of all time.

"Hip-hop was set out in the dark. They used to do it out in the park"

im not attackin im jus sayin, its jus my opinion dude, ight

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love is evil, spell it backwards and I'll show you...

"my mind shines bright even when my thoughts seem dark"

Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished

The Hate U Give Little Infates F***s Everybody

justILLMATIC

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his songs are very emotionaly and has lots of passion not like nowadays.

u not searchin hard enough brotha.

idk dude, lil waynes lollipop is not great in any way, no llyrically ability in tht song. Tupac's all songs are great or good, All Eyes on Me, Changes, Mama's Just a Little girl, Troublesome '96, etc....all hav deep meanings in them. i jus dont like rappers who jus talk bout crap shit in ther songs.

first and foremost, u double posted. secondly i didnt say anything about lil wayne being "great". and third you, like many Pac fans, named songs off his greatest hits. he personally never made a complete album.

"Hip-hop was set out in the dark. They used to do it out in the park"

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[quote=Makaveli]his songs are very emotionaly and has lots of passion not like nowadays.

u not searchin hard enough brotha.

idk dude, lil waynes lollipop is not great in any way, no llyrically ability in tht song. Tupac's all songs are great or good, All Eyes on Me, Changes, Mama's Just a Little girl, Troublesome '96, etc....all hav deep meanings in them. i jus dont like rappers who jus talk bout crap shit in ther songs.

first and foremost, u double posted. secondly i didnt say anything about lil wayne being "great". and third you, like many Pac fans, named songs off his greatest hits. he personally never made a complete album. [/quote]

All Eyes on Me
Me Against the World
Makaveli The Don Killumanti
all great albums

but anyways homie im done talkin to u...all im sayin is Pac's great...thts my opinion....and many will agree he is the greatest

The Don: Young Makaveli

love is evil, spell it backwards and I'll show you...

"my mind shines bright even when my thoughts seem dark"

Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished

The Hate U Give Little Infates F***s Everybody

justILLMATIC

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Eminem
50 Cent
T.Pain
Chris brown
R.Kelly
The Game
D12
LiL John
LiL Wayne
Fat Joe
and many more but i forget....

how can u not hav either Tupac or Biggie in your list, two the greatest rappers

i wasn't gonna say anything but now that you start attackin other people's list ima speak. pac and biggie were the two most overrated rappers of all time.

There's nothing overated about Biggie. His bars are still crushing rapper's lyrics to date.

If your looking for some greatness, look into what Lupe fiasco's done. He's a Lyrical Monster.

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Happiness isn't good enough for me! I demand euphoria!” "[/color]

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All Eyes on Me
Me Against the World
Makaveli The Don Killumanti
all great albums

but anyways homie im done talkin to u...all im sayin is Pac's great...thts my opinion....and many will agree he is the greatest

yea....the man's also responsible for creating Whats Ya Phone #", Bonnie and Clyde, tradin war stories, and Don.i can't listen to a whole Pac album w/o pressing the skip button. i can't say the same thing about Wu-tang, Nas, Jay-z, EPMD, BDP, Common, Redman, Tribe, BlackStar, or even Kanye and Joe Budden and Lupe Fiasco.

now my personal beef wit Pac is this, yea he's one of the greatest rappers who ever lived but as an MC he's not even top 40 material. Pac wasn't a drug dealer, his friends said he wasn't a good fighter, so was he a rebel without a cause? is that the cool thing to do? yet he rapped about all those things in his songs. then he got shot and he referenced that as much as he could. so was all that passion in his voice a lie?

In his defense, lets subtract all the songs he did about capping fools, drugs, hoes, etc. and leave behind his ode to society tracks. there are people out there who are better at it. best example is KRS-One and Common.

as for Biggie, he only made TWO albums yet people ready to label him the GOAT title. Mobb deep's first three albums were fire, now look at them. look at G dep, look at Craiig Mack, Black Rob. Lil Cease. Puffy sure know how to keep his artists alive. if his third album flopped, puffy woulda killed his carreer off himself.

"Hip-hop was set out in the dark. They used to do it out in the park"

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All Eyes on Me
Me Against the World
Makaveli The Don Killumanti
all great albums

but anyways homie im done talkin to u...all im sayin is Pac's great...thts my opinion....and many will agree he is the greatest

yea....the man's also responsible for creating Whats Ya Phone #", Bonnie and Clyde, tradin war stories, and Don.i can't listen to a whole Pac album w/o pressing the skip button. i can't say the same thing about Wu-tang, Nas, Jay-z, EPMD, BDP, Common, Redman, Tribe, BlackStar, or even Kanye and Joe Budden and Lupe Fiasco.

now my personal beef wit Pac is this, yea he's one of the greatest rappers who ever lived but as an MC he's not even top 40 material. Pac wasn't a drug dealer, his friends said he wasn't a good fighter, so was he a rebel without a cause? is that the cool thing to do? yet he rapped about all those things in his songs. then he got shot and he referenced that as much as he could. so was all that passion in his voice a lie?

In his defense, lets subtract all the songs he did about capping fools, drugs, hoes, etc. and leave behind his ode to society tracks. there are people out there who are better at it. best example is KRS-One and Common.

as for Biggie, he only made TWO albums yet people ready to label him the GOAT title. Mobb deep's first three albums were fire, now look at them. look at G dep, look at Craiig Mack, Black Rob. Lil Cease. Puffy sure know how to keep his artists alive. if his third album flopped, puffy woulda killed his carreer off himself.

If u listen to Pac's interveiw, he said tht he never was a gangster or a drug dealer, he said thts his rap persona, like many rappers. he said tht his songs are bout things he saw, like dealing and gangs and stuff. he also said he was rapping about it so other ppl will hear and they might help change tht.
he said he never said he will change the world but he will spark someone who will change it.

and as for biggie, yes he has 2 albums but both are great. Ready to Die and Life After Death(i think thts wat its called) i only like Ready to Die, and he is great but Pac is better.

and anyways my fav is Tupac and than Eminem like my list says

The Don: Young Makaveli

love is evil, spell it backwards and I'll show you...

"my mind shines bright even when my thoughts seem dark"

Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished

The Hate U Give Little Infates F***s Everybody

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If u listen to Pac's interveiw, he said tht he never was a gangster or a drug dealer, he said thts his rap persona, like many rappers. he said tht his songs are bout things he saw, like dealing and gangs and stuff. he also said he was rapping about it so other ppl will hear and they might help change tht.
he said he never said he will change the world but he will spark someone who will change it.

and as for biggie, yes he has 2 albums but both are great. Ready to Die and Life After Death(i think thts wat its called) i only like Ready to Die, and he is great but Pac is better.

and anyways my fav is Tupac and than Eminem like my list says

i personally like Life After Death more.

so you like him for his whole persona, half his songs contradicted each other. if the whole point of him being the better rapper is because he wants to spark someone who will change the world then how does that make him any different from any other rapper spitting about love and peace. NWA aka Ice Cube's ghost writing was better than Pac, Eminem is better than Pac, and Biggie is better than Pac. we ain't talkin about persona, we talkin about overall skills. listen to Illmatic and tell me what can Pac offer me that Nas can't do in a single breath.

"Hip-hop was set out in the dark. They used to do it out in the park"

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If u listen to Pac's interveiw, he said tht he never was a gangster or a drug dealer, he said thts his rap persona, like many rappers. he said tht his songs are bout things he saw, like dealing and gangs and stuff. he also said he was rapping about it so other ppl will hear and they might help change tht.
he said he never said he will change the world but he will spark someone who will change it.

and as for biggie, yes he has 2 albums but both are great. Ready to Die and Life After Death(i think thts wat its called) i only like Ready to Die, and he is great but Pac is better.

and anyways my fav is Tupac and than Eminem like my list says

i personally like Life After Death more.

so you like him for his whole persona, half his songs contradicted each other. if the whole point of him being the better rapper is because he wants to spark someone who will change the world then how does that make him any different from any other rapper spitting about love and peace. NWA aka Ice Cube's ghost writing was better than Pac, Eminem is better than Pac, and Biggie is better than Pac. we ain't talkin about persona, we talkin about overall skills. listen to Illmatic and tell me what can Pac offer me that Nas can't do in a single breath.

i like Pac as a writer, storyteller, rapper, actor, and as person. all his songs are great expect few i'd say. and biggie is not better than pac, biggie had rhymes but thts it. but i like biggie too but pac is better. nas is good but not better and same for eminem. their wont be another pac or biggie they both great.

anyways we can disagree and argue all day about this, so this is my opinion and tht is your opinion and we can leave it at tht.

The Don: Young Makaveli

love is evil, spell it backwards and I'll show you...

"my mind shines bright even when my thoughts seem dark"

Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished

The Hate U Give Little Infates F***s Everybody

justILLMATIC

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anyways we can disagree and argue all day about this, so this is my opinion and tht is your opinion and we can leave it at tht.

opinions are strong, snoop dog, twista, ludacris, and 50 cent is mentioned in the same breath as pac, biggie, nas, and jay-z.

"Hip-hop was set out in the dark. They used to do it out in the park"

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anyways we can disagree and argue all day about this, so this is my opinion and tht is your opinion and we can leave it at tht.

opinions are strong, snoop dog, twista, ludacris, and 50 cent is mentioned in the same breath as pac, biggie, nas, and jay-z.

i think thts pushin it too much. 50cent twista luda and dogg are not in the same group as pac biggie nas and jay and even eminem and thts that

The Don: Young Makaveli

love is evil, spell it backwards and I'll show you...

"my mind shines bright even when my thoughts seem dark"

Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished

The Hate U Give Little Infates F***s Everybody

justILLMATIC

For me it's Eminem FTW...
I don't listen to others as I have got adjusted to Eminem's style of Rapping and it is hard for me at the moment to like someone else. May be in future I will include someone else but for-the-moment it's Eminem. 😛

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[quote=ahoaho]The main focus of hip hop, or black music in general, is a bottom up approach. Rhythm, harmony, melody. By and large, Hip Hop removes the melody from the mix, which is why many people, used to highly simple melodies that can be hummed, sung, whatever, don't consider rap to be music.

Recently, hip hop has become prevalent outside of it's initial base, which is mainly low working class urbanites, which is why it has lost touch with it's roots. Instead of telling a story, being a critical view of one's environment, or even what the term MC was born of, a Master of Ceremonies, controlling a crowd at an event/party through improvisational calls, it has morphed into a money making machine that does nothing but exploit racial stereotypes. That is why Nas released an album called Hip Hop is dead.

actually hip hop is doing exactlly what it's inteded to do. Plz the ppl. Hip hop and rap music in general developed from dancehall and reggae. As hard as that is to believe it's true. See dj's or "selectors" would play a rythem and sing or rap over it to make it seem original or like a live performance. When this was all dont the main point of this was a party. Carribean ppl like to dance from mourning ryte beck to mourning. Hip hop is sorta bringing it back straight to the roots. I'm not knocking old rap and i'm definitly not suporting new rap but i consider it all to be music. Being a dancer...what ever gets me amped enough that i can't sit still is my kinda music...my preferance my not b the same as yours...but it's still music none the less.

Hip Hop developed out of Funk and Soul, not 'dancehall' and reggae. Bootsy Collins would have what were essentially raps over the intros and bridges of many of his songs. The actual form developed in a party setting in Brooklyn, Harlem, Queens, etc. There was a DJ (Disc Jockey) who would play a track from a popular song (sometimes even a rock and roll record) for the people to dance to. The MC (Master of Ceremonies) would then get the crowd further into the party mood by essentially making an impromptu speech. Those 'speeches' developed into freestyles. People like Grandmaste Caz and The Cold Crush brothers, and Kurtis Blow, would use the energy of the crowd to fuel their rhymes.

However, like all forms, Hip Hop evolved very soon after it's inception. Kurtis Blow released "Streets of New York" and "The Breaks", which had a more social consciousness to them. That gave way to KRS One, Afrika Bambaataa and the Zulu Nation, A Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy, and NWA. And if you say that a party group like Sugar Hill Gang is better than Public Enemy or NWA, you might as well just quit now.

Like I said, what is being made now is not hip hop, it's pop music. Just like the so called "R&B", a la Chris Brown, Akon and the rest. Just because black people make it doesn't make it rap/r&b.

No it developed from reggae and dancehall...look at the places you named yourself...there are heavy populations of imigrants, namely carribeanss that live in those places. And the dj "Selector" shouting over the track came from reggae because back then the reggae artists were not really artists. They were all dj's so they themselves would be the ones shouting over most of the tracks and rythems that they played. and when that went over to NY ppl copied it. Alot of the ppl around that time didn't like reggae period but thats why hip hop differs so much from it. They changed it so it tould be the same. What hip hop artists do now reggae artists have been doing for a helluva lot longer. like the cuttting and mixing styles that hip hop used early all came from Jamaica. And the improv speches you mentioned stared out as shout outs and jokes and stuff that dj's would do during songs.I didn't say better i just said longer so it's ovious it would influence it. Hip hop is a helluva lot more carribean then one would assume in origins. And most of the hip hop scene and parties are all mocks of carribean culture [/quote]

Pssst here is a secret for you, your wrong. Rap and hip hop, just like all non-instrumental music, has its roots in folk music, where as folk music is originally spoken word, a way of telling stories. Take a music histories class and you'll see what I mean. Picture music as a family tree sort of thing, And almost all of it leads back to folk/spoken word. And the shocker, country music is raps closest relative, both being originally and heavily based on story telling. I'm talking about the original stuff, not what is on the air today. Although there are still some that follow the roots of the genre.

secondly, I have yet to see Cypress Hill on anyones list, might be just my opinion that they should be included though, I've followed them since they first made a debut. 😁

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[quote=Keel][quote=ahoaho]The main focus of hip hop, or black music in general, is a bottom up approach. Rhythm, harmony, melody. By and large, Hip Hop removes the melody from the mix, which is why many people, used to highly simple melodies that can be hummed, sung, whatever, don't consider rap to be music.

Recently, hip hop has become prevalent outside of it's initial base, which is mainly low working class urbanites, which is why it has lost touch with it's roots. Instead of telling a story, being a critical view of one's environment, or even what the term MC was born of, a Master of Ceremonies, controlling a crowd at an event/party through improvisational calls, it has morphed into a money making machine that does nothing but exploit racial stereotypes. That is why Nas released an album called Hip Hop is dead.

actually hip hop is doing exactlly what it's inteded to do. Plz the ppl. Hip hop and rap music in general developed from dancehall and reggae. As hard as that is to believe it's true. See dj's or "selectors" would play a rythem and sing or rap over it to make it seem original or like a live performance. When this was all dont the main point of this was a party. Carribean ppl like to dance from mourning ryte beck to mourning. Hip hop is sorta bringing it back straight to the roots. I'm not knocking old rap and i'm definitly not suporting new rap but i consider it all to be music. Being a dancer...what ever gets me amped enough that i can't sit still is my kinda music...my preferance my not b the same as yours...but it's still music none the less.

Hip Hop developed out of Funk and Soul, not 'dancehall' and reggae. Bootsy Collins would have what were essentially raps over the intros and bridges of many of his songs. The actual form developed in a party setting in Brooklyn, Harlem, Queens, etc. There was a DJ (Disc Jockey) who would play a track from a popular song (sometimes even a rock and roll record) for the people to dance to. The MC (Master of Ceremonies) would then get the crowd further into the party mood by essentially making an impromptu speech. Those 'speeches' developed into freestyles. People like Grandmaste Caz and The Cold Crush brothers, and Kurtis Blow, would use the energy of the crowd to fuel their rhymes.

However, like all forms, Hip Hop evolved very soon after it's inception. Kurtis Blow released "Streets of New York" and "The Breaks", which had a more social consciousness to them. That gave way to KRS One, Afrika Bambaataa and the Zulu Nation, A Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy, and NWA. And if you say that a party group like Sugar Hill Gang is better than Public Enemy or NWA, you might as well just quit now.

Like I said, what is being made now is not hip hop, it's pop music. Just like the so called "R&B", a la Chris Brown, Akon and the rest. Just because black people make it doesn't make it rap/r&b.

No it developed from reggae and dancehall...look at the places you named yourself...there are heavy populations of imigrants, namely carribeanss that live in those places. And the dj "Selector" shouting over the track came from reggae because back then the reggae artists were not really artists. They were all dj's so they themselves would be the ones shouting over most of the tracks and rythems that they played. and when that went over to NY ppl copied it. Alot of the ppl around that time didn't like reggae period but thats why hip hop differs so much from it. They changed it so it tould be the same. What hip hop artists do now reggae artists have been doing for a helluva lot longer. like the cuttting and mixing styles that hip hop used early all came from Jamaica. And the improv speches you mentioned stared out as shout outs and jokes and stuff that dj's would do during songs.I didn't say better i just said longer so it's ovious it would influence it. Hip hop is a helluva lot more carribean then one would assume in origins. And most of the hip hop scene and parties are all mocks of carribean culture [/quote]

Pssst here is a secret for you, your wrong. Rap and hip hop, just like all non-instrumental music, has its roots in folk music, where as folk music is originally spoken word, a way of telling stories. Take a music histories class and you'll see what I mean. Picture music as a family tree sort of thing, And almost all of it leads back to folk/spoken word. And the shocker, country music is raps closest relative, both being originally and heavily based on story telling. I'm talking about the original stuff, not what is on the air today. Although there are still some that follow the roots of the genre.

secondly, I have yet to see Cypress Hill on anyones list, might be just my opinion that they should be included though, I've followed them since they first made a debut. 😁 [/quote]'

u guys can talk about roots all u want, but unless Kool Herc himself verifies it, its not on point.

"Hip-hop was set out in the dark. They used to do it out in the park"