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George Lucas made a cash cow and has only made 1 extension to his original story in over twenty years. If you know how to use it properly you don't need your cash cow to be covered in tumors and life support till it looks like its a special needs alien

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You're pretty much making my point for me. Star Wars is the biggest milking of the cash cow in the history of mankind. The series has been completely butchered and mutilated. While you can say there's only been one extension, it's still three prequel movies. And that doesn't include all of the Star Wars cartoons, video games, novels, action figures, posters, merchandise, etc.

And honestly? Good for George Lucas. He made millions and millions of dollars off of it because fools swallowed it up, the same way fools swallow up Bleach every time a new volume goes for sale. Simple solution is simply not to read/watch it.

Quote from TaoPaiPai

what the individual person thinks is irrelevant

bleach is still one of the major selling mangas
in other words
one of the more popular
if you feel you have outgrown this jump title...probably means you are not the target audience
aand thats the same with every major "long" manga title

the mangakas for the most part work fulltime with making comics
and its very rarly up to the manga him/herself to end a comic
you work for the company that publish the manga
so you cant just end something that brings in lots of money that put food on 1000of ppls tables whenever you feel like it
you have responsibilities
[mostly to the bigbosses but...it sounds better this way]
if you did...you would be difficult and would have a VERY hard time finding a new employer

Thumbs up.

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Your opinion and i deny most of it, And @TaoPaiPai Bleach is selling but its rating have been really low.

Rating is irrelevant when each volume of Bleach sells half a million copies. If it wasn't popular anymore, the sales would be way down.

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Anyways, may not just be the mangaka's fault for continuing to milk a series. Publishers may also have a hand in it...more $$$$ for them too. Why take a risk ending a popular series and allowing the mangaka to try something new that may flop. Also makes their magazines sell~ Introduce fans/customers to new series and potentially create a new popular hit that will rake in more cash.

Both have a hand in it.

The most [in]famous case was with Akira Toriyama. He wanted to end Dragonball right after the Namek arc. Shueisha wouldn't allow him and he released something like 16 more volumes after that.

You also have to take into consideration how difficult it is to be successful in the manga industry. Not many authors are able to make one very successful series, let alone two or more. So some of them ride the wave of success while they can.

-GGpX

I run Illuminati-Manga. You're welcome.

Those 3 movies had already been written when he made 4, 5, 6. Which is why they have always been called as such. The only extension he has made so far is is clone wars. As for the butchering, its about the equivalent of what happens when most animes get dubbed. So overall my pointed was you can milk a cashcow without out a retarded amount of filler and addons that destroy your original story

Basically you can rebrand, make games, have tons of merc, rebrand everything again, and repeat. Just don't put in crap that doesn't belong...... although I have to say he made a mistake now that han doesn't shoot first

Few favs
Comedy:
Kyou kara ore wa!!, Mx0, Angel Densetsu, Skip Beat, Ai Kora, The Devil King is Bored

Romance:
Hana to Akuma, No bra, Shinigami Trilogy, kindan no koi de ikou, Usagi Drop, Threads of Time, Girl Friends

Most under rated:
Kindan no koi de ikou, kyou kara ore wa!.
m0r l83r... maybe >_>

Quote from SAimNE

Those 3 movies had already been written when he made 4, 5, 6. Which is why they have always been called as such. The only extension he has made so far is is clone wars. As for the butchering, its about the equivalent of what happens when most animes get dubbed. So overall my pointed was you can milk a cashcow without out a retarded amount of filler and addons that destroy your original story

Basically you can rebrand, make games, have tons of merc, rebrand everything again, and repeat. Just don't put in crap that doesn't belong...... although I have to say he made a mistake now that han doesn't shoot first

Sure, you can, just like One Piece has.

But if you're able to turn the story to shit and still get a boatload of people to buy it, more power to you. I'm perfectly fine with what he's doing. I don't believe many mangakas really care about the "legacy" their manga will have as much as they care about the amount they'll get in their bank accounts.

-GGpX

I run Illuminati-Manga. You're welcome.

Quote from SAimNE

Those 3 movies had already been written when he made 4, 5, 6. Which is why they have always been called as such. The only extension he has made so far is is clone wars. As for the butchering, its about the equivalent of what happens when most animes get dubbed. So overall my pointed was you can milk ...

Star Wars had an "extended universe" looooooong before Clone Wars was ever produced. Or are you just selectively ignoring the dozens of comic books, dozens of novels and dozens of video games all licensed out by George Lucas?

Star Wars has a plotline so thoroughly butchered that it requires official statements on which plot threads are actually real for it to make any coherent sense.

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Those 3 movies had already been written when he made 4, 5, 6. Which is why they have always been called as such. The only extension he has made so far is is clone wars. As for the butchering, its about the equivalent of what happens when most animes get dubbed. So overall my pointed was you can milk ...

You act like that's easy. Just because something is well done doesn't mean it'll get a game, or a good game, or a film adaptation or anything. Other people have to have an interest in making it those things.

Most romances go for three years, that's almost built in for highschool stories.

There is a type where it is excusable. Detective Conan is just mystery stories with the same characters. That's where the main interest lie. Similar to some comedies. The point is just in getting it done, not the main arc.

Some long runners do their job well though. The fact that manga can run so long is part of what makes it unique. A comic book can't waste as much time since its monthly. Depending on the manga I think most going 18 to less than 25 volumes is okay.

Manga isn't made to be a collection so more important than the overall story is putting it out every week. And a manga-ka never knows if he'll get an another big series or not. It's understandable why people would feel like it's should end sooner though, especially if their buying the collections. But people would probably also get agitated from it either taking too long in a chapter per chapter thing or bored from reading something that wasn't always meant to be read all at once.

Yeah, but if you can't drag it out properly it is overall better to end it before you destroy it. That way it can get high regard, your name will carry more weight and bring attention to your next series, and if it stays popular long enough bluray remakes, ovas, soundtracks, collector items, and all sorts of other crap can be marketed with a higher rate of selling. Dragging it on forever only helps the publishers, and will likely lower the income and reputation you could have had if you ended it at its own pace.

Quote from wolfinthesheep

Star Wars had an "extended universe" looooooong before Clone Wars was ever produced. Or are you just selectively ignoring the dozens of comic books, dozens of novels and dozens of video games all licensed out by George Lucas?

Star Wars has a plotline so thoroughly butchered that it requir ...

Ok u have a point, but I don't think lucas writes any of those, and the income gathered is abyssmal.... plus the ones that aren't just a different format of the same story(like anime/ovas) are generally treated like a non-cannon add on by most... sorta like the dbz movies.. like "oh this could have happened, but as far as the story goes it didn't...". Id just consider those stories to be professional trolling. You can but it, but it isn't relevant to the series you love, and it will never increase to a value much above a lump of normal paper with some ink sprayed on it.

I think a seperate non cannon thing is ok, but dragging out your original story and making tons of
retarded extras part of your official story is just a flat out mistake.

Also to add a manga to the list. Hajime no ippo is one I would say fits. It always had a slow plot so even at 500 chaps I didn't find it rly bad, but lately I just want him to get a world title, make little half retard babies(4 in total so the 2 left wont be lonely after the older brothers celebratory lunch), let takamura finish his weight classes, or be handicapped, and just end

Few favs
Comedy:
Kyou kara ore wa!!, Mx0, Angel Densetsu, Skip Beat, Ai Kora, The Devil King is Bored

Romance:
Hana to Akuma, No bra, Shinigami Trilogy, kindan no koi de ikou, Usagi Drop, Threads of Time, Girl Friends

Most under rated:
Kindan no koi de ikou, kyou kara ore wa!.
m0r l83r... maybe >_>

Many popular manga titles are ongoing beyond the expiration date of their narrative because the publisher, who has a lot of influence in the author's creative process, feel like the story still has the potential to capture the audience and in the process, make more money, even as the original storyline are far outdated. Often, the author and the target audience could have different perspectives in approaching the conclusion of the manga, and the mangaka could have a totally different vision from the fans for how the story will play out- sometimes that is good in creating the element of surprise and originality, but sometimes that could turn out to be a total disappointment for the readers.

I think for the majority of the cases, when a manga series continue to drag on its bloody carcass under the pitying eyes of its preys (aka the audience), it should mostly be attributed to the mangaka's total lack of connection with the audience's perspective and mindset, like their creative vision spurs so much out of control that there's nobody left to "appreciate" their work in the sense of wanting to continue the narrative. Skip Beat is definitely an example for how an author could spur the wonderful, original idea of the story into something that's increasingly mindless and insipid.

The Deviant

The fact that the publishers have an input in the life of the mangas is only one factor that contributes to the dragging and meaningless lengthy story.

We are all irritated because we expected the series to maintain its awesomeness and the mangaka to be a dignified and sensitive author.
If a series starts out bad and had low rating, the publishers would have dropped it before we complain.
If a series starts out good and had a fairly high popularity, you expect it to continue to be good. Once the series starts to lose its appeal and attractiveness, or once you decide the story should come to an end (to provide a good closure, or to wrap up every loose ends here and there) , that's when you start getting irritated with the series and its drags.

There would be no complaints and cries if a really good series keep on going marvelously, right?

Ha...that's like almost every series I've ever been through (although it seems to happen the most w/ shounen series). There are very,very few series that end when they should because ... well ... money. I could probably sit here the entire day listing series... Alive!, Deadman Wonderland, Psyren, Naruto, Bleach, DBZ, Hunter x Hunter, PoT, Air Gear, Tenjou Tenge, Detective Conan, Hajime no Ippo, Skip Beat, Soul Eater, Death Note (although I applaud them for cutting the decline into terriadhasdhaksness short), Vampire Knight, Code Breaker, Claymore .....

Nowadays, I almost always drop the series before the ending. 😛 The only series I don't have complaints about dragging on too long yet is One Piece, but I don't know how long that'll last since the mer-world arc has been mediocre (and it feels like Oda was trying to veer the series somewhere before the whole mermaid thing and got stopped...)

I don't think Oda could of done anything in the mermaid arc that could of been 'good' as to the standards set from previous arcs.

OT: The only series that I've read that have felt like they've dragged for way too long is Ippo, Shamo, and Bleach. Ippo just because every fight takes like 50chapters and you know whose going to win 3 chapters into the fight. Shamo I don't even know what happened. Bleach turned into a war against Nazis or something when I stopped reading it after the main story ended.

Well, it may not be exactly what you guys are talking about, but Berserk needs to end. NOW. The mangaka will definitely die before it ends. Every detail is sooooo drawn out. I guarantee the ending will suck, if it ever does end.
Come, Falkor! Let us ride into the never ending sunset! 🙄

-No longer do I quote great scholars, the famous, etc. Kids feigning wisdom ruined it.
--I wont type a post like a college report. If you don't read it just for that reason, you don't have to post why your hoity-toity ass refused to. I swear, so many people on this site are so full of themselves. A lot seem to think they always have an "intelligent and/or logical" point or show signs of a superiority complex. They never admit they're wrong. Maybe partially, but excuses abound! :\
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/sigrant

Dragon ball

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Ha...that's like almost every series I've ever been through (although it seems to happen the most w/ shounen series). There are very,very few series that end when they should because ... well ... money. I could probably sit here the entire day listing series... Alive!, Deadman Wonderland, Psyren, Naruto, Bleach, DBZ, Hunter x Hunter, PoT, Air Gear, Tenjou Tenge, Detective Conan, Hajime no Ippo, Skip Beat, Soul Eater, Death Note (although I applaud them for cutting the decline into terriadhasdhaksness short), Vampire Knight, Code Breaker, Claymore .....

Nowadays, I almost always drop the series before the ending. The only series I don't have complaints about dragging on too long yet is One Piece, but I don't know how long that'll last since the mer-world arc has been mediocre (and it feels like Oda was trying to veer the series somewhere before the whole mermaid thing and got stopped...)

i agree with One piece i want it to go on and on but Skip Beat is my favorit manga and i dont think it has a place where you can end it enywere in it

Vampire Knight, Kaichou wa Maid-sama! and Perfect Girl Evolution. Oh, and kimi ni todoke. They should seriously stahp.