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I wish people who could buy more anime/manga actually buy it. I mean I'm a college student I buy manga online every week! I admit I do watch a hell of alot of anime online but I am starting on buying DVDs now of all the anime I love. I remenber reading in a magazine once that alot of anime fans nowadays won't buy for anime because they do not class it above free entertainment.
I'm all for supporting the industry! As i type this I have around 345 volumes of manga sitting in my bedroom and I'm very proud of if >.<.
It sucks that people who want to actually support manga/anime can't because of money and people who can think its a waste of money.

the only anime i ever bought was a dvd box of hokuto no ken (all episode series 1 and 2+movie) that cost me 40$ (after negociation) in my city's chinatown and it was just baddly a pirated dvd of free internet subbing(it was crappy by the way 🤣 )

it would have cost me 118$ 😲 for just 1 dvd(volume 1 new 22$used) on amazone

but i dont think it supported the author much 🤣 😢

🤣 That reminded me of when I went to Monterrey, Mexico and bought some cheap bootleg Sailor Moon DvD episodes. They were dubbed too but hey it was worth 100 pesos which is like what 10 American dollars? 😀 I never laughed so hard at Spanish dubs until I got this and it's worth the 10 bucks because when I'm feeling bored I pop in the DVD and just laugh my butt off. Well most things are cheap in Mexico so when I go I buy a variety of mangas since they're pretty cheap the only pricey thing is I sometimes have to use my dad as a translator 😐

Yeah I don't think I supported the author much either...

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Yeah I don't think I supported the author much either...

The author sealed the rights to the Sailor Moon license since around 2004.

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That document isn't just about anime, but it includes it.

Still always fun to see how silly people can get when their free, illegal rations are being threatened. And before I get rotten lettuce thrown at me, let me point out that I'm saying this mainly to the ones who dragged in the dead whales into all this mess.

I'll join you on that stage. 😀

I find some people's attitude regarding this comical. As if by justifying how uber expensive manga/anime are, gives them every right to acquire it illegally.

I'm also guilty of downloading illegally, of course. It's just that the "entitled to" attitude is just a little bit sickening.

Anyone have any idea/opinion on how/if implementation of Net Neutrality could affect this issue?

Not sure what the goverment is going to be able to do about it.
There are problem stoping it here with American movies.

they can't stop drugs in the streets and they want to stop anime on the internet!!!
its impossible to stop the sharing of manga and anime!!!
because its already to widespread just like the mafia

wonder if its gonna become like on tv with swat teams breaking into scanlators houses with guns and flashbangs.

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I find some people's attitude regarding this comical. As if by justifying how uber expensive manga/anime are, gives them every right to acquire it illegally.

I'm also guilty of downloading illegally, of course. It's just that the "entitled to" attitude is just a little bit sickening.

Are you familiar with "Tying"? It is an anti-competive practice, it is ilegal. Wiki it for more details.

I understand that producers need to be paid, I also understand that artists and anime workers need to be paid, but tell me:

• Why do I need to pay for oil to be extracted from Middle East, metal to be extracted from somewhere, all transported to China, transformed into DVD, transportation by sea, distribuion by land, final resales and all taxes that fall on those operations - if it can be downloaded trough the internet. Why? Give me a reason.

They are ilegal first, they are violating my consumers rights with tying, I dont need all those services. If I can aquire a service though the net, it was their obligation to do so.I am acting on self defense.

If they want to fansubing stop, then they need to do the subbing though the internet themselves. After that they can start to try stopping fansub.

There's also the problem that stopping fansub doesnt garantee profit, but I see others have already pointed this out. Also there cant be any ilegality without prejudice (for stuff that it isnt avaible). It is like being guilty of stealing without a victim.

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Are you familiar with "Tying"? It is an anti-competive practice, it is ilegal. Wiki it for more details.

Faintly. It's been a while since those pesky Business LER classes, but thanks to Wiki, I feel a bit more enlighten. Although, you'll have to pardon me if my understanding is incorrect.

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I understand that producers need to be paid, I also understand that artists and anime workers need to be paid, but tell me:

• Why do I need to pay for oil to be extracted from Middle East, metal to be extracted from somewhere, all transported to China, transformed into DVD, transportation by sea, distribuion by land, final resales and all taxes that fall on those operations - if it can be downloaded trough the internet. Why? Give me a reason.

First of all, is that an example of Tying? Otherwise, then almost everything nowadays would fall under that case. Unless everything you legally purchase is made with raw materials strictly from your country, you make it sound like you acquire everything illegally because you don't want to pay those extra services.

Second, because it's not right. Whether their methods of producing these things are illegal or not, I don't know. Justifying one illegal activity with another illegal activity, doesn't cancel it out. You said so yourself that you understand that they need to be paid. I guess, at this point, a person's morality would be the deciding factor.

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They are ilegal first, they are violating my consumers rights with tying, I dont need all those services. If I can aquire a service though the net, it was their obligation to do so.I am acting on self defense.

If they want to fansubing stop, then they need to do the subbing though the internet themselves. After that they can start to try stopping fansub.

I seriously doubt you'd win any court cases with that defense, but what do I know, I'm not a lawyer.

Again, all I get is that you feel that you are entitled to it. Anime/manga is not a need, (maybe to some) but a want. You're not required to buy it, as a consumer it's your choice. I don't understand this reasoning.

"Because I don't want to pay $$$ on available products, they must provide such products for a price of $ or for free, otherwise anything illegal is free game and/or deserved."

That's what I'm getting and that's the attitude I don't agree with.

Look, I support scanlation and fansubbing. I prefer them in most, if not in all cases. I also think that they are a great way to introduce series we'll otherwise never would have known. My comment was strictly concerning certain people's viewpoint. Perhaps not a wise choice, since it might have offended some, but I can express my observation. I didn't actively attack anyone, so I don't think that an apology is in order.

I don't know the ins-and-outs of how series/anime get licensed, the business dealings or what-have-you. If their methods are truly illegal, then how is it still happening?

I highly doubt that any action will actually happen anytime soon, maybe even never, regarding this topic.

I hope this doesn't get closed, like the last time I made a wall post. 🤣

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"Because I don't want to pay $$$ on available products, they must provide such products for a price of $ or for free, otherwise anything illegal is free game and/or deserved."

That's what I'm getting and that's the attitude I don't agree with.

Mind giving a good, real example of this sort of attitude, and exactly why it's different from other viewpoints...? Downloading anime/manga as well as anything else is pretty much illegal, no matter which way you spin it. It can be a huge offense to the artist, musician, director, etc., but...Everything's connected. One thing effects the other, and maybe if the world was managed better, it wouldn't be like this.

Consider why people don't have money in the first place, and all the crap behind that. Think about what you'd have to change, just so people would have more money. Even then...would things be overpriced? Would gas be 6$ just because we get a few hundred$ extra a month? Does it matter? By even owning a car and putting gas into it, you're killing the environment. Isn't that worse than pirating all together? Not to mention the fact that people even stand for it. I know someone that spends 2,000$ annually on gas, and hardly go anywhere compared to most people.

If you really want to get picky, if you don't have the money to buy anime/manga, don't download it illegally online.

Of course, then...The Japanese wouldn't get very much from me, since I rarely buy even a book without reading it first. If I'm expected to just pay 40$ per anime DVD, and over 100$ or even 200$ for a set...That is just unreasonable, obviously 🙂 I could even say 10$ per volume of manga is too much, but that would just be getting petty...

It is illegal. Just because you don't have this "I'm entitled to it," attitude, doesn't make it any more justified. Though I do have to say that the "If I could do it any other way..." attitude annoys me a bit, if you feel that guilty, just don't do it.

Just as a sort-of-related note, I watched The Final destination (3d) in theaters. 6.50$+Candy and crap (35$ for 2 people) Was not worth it. It wasn't even worth being bootlegged.
Production Budget: $40 million
(made) Worldwide: $152,390,579

Just to put that out there 😐

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"Because I don't want to pay $$$ on available products, they must provide such products for a price of $ or for free, otherwise anything illegal is free game and/or deserved."

That's what I'm getting and that's the attitude I don't agree with.

Mind giving a good, real example of this sort of attitude, and exactly why it's different from other viewpoints...?

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They are ilegal first, they are violating my consumers rights with tying, I dont need all those services. If I can aquire a service though the net, it was their obligation to do so.I am acting on self defense.

If they want to fansubing stop, then they need to do the subbing though the internet themselves. After that they can start to try stopping fansub.

The readily available one is this. Which I quoted in my previous post for that sole purpose.

How is it different? What makes anyone have the right to be angry if such a law is passed or demand an alternative deliverable because they are unhappy with what's available? I don't think anyone does, because these things are unnecessary. You can live without them, therefore if you don't have the money - don't spend it.

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How is it different? What makes anyone have the right to be angry if such a law is passed or demand an alternative deliverable because they are unhappy with what's available? I don't think anyone does, because these things are unnecessary. You can live without them, therefore if you don't have the money - don't spend it.

Because, it's not only anime/manga. If that were "removed," everything else would be too. Ebooks, music, movies, etc. For something like that to happen, how much control would higher ups have, and how far would they have to enforce the law? Regardless of how I would react to that, I know there are thousands (out of millions) of people that would be 10x as upset as I would be, no matter if the reason is valid. So...taking off illegal content such as anime/manga/movies/music, etc. off the internet would do much more harm than good.

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This is semi-relevant since it has to do with p2p file sharing.

[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/illegal-downloaders-spend-the-most-on-music-says-poll-1812776.html[/url]

People who illegally download music from the internet also spend more money on music than anyone else, according to a new study. The survey, published today, found that those who admit illegally downloading music spent an average of £77 a year on music – £33 more than those who claim that they never download music dishonestly.

"The people who file-share are the ones who are interested in music," said Mark Mulligan of Forrester Research. "They use file-sharing as a discovery mechanism. We have a generation of young people who don't have any concept of music as a paid-for commodity," he continued. "You need to have it at a price point you won't notice."

I think we are seeing the same thing in anime/manga circles as well. We tend to use downloading and online viewing as a way of browse shopping and if we really like it we tend to buy it. It's eaiser to get music and support artists from overseas because they do tours and market things up the wahzoo internationally.

In the anime/manga side of things it is more difficult. There is the issue of translations in order for us to understand the story and such. But isn't it also true that we can AFFORD it that we are loyal customers to the fandoms we support?

I love Saiyuki, 07-Ghost, Kyou Kara Moah, and other series. I have, when I had the chance, bought the manga and anime to the series and other series that I like. Hell I have a couple of Naruto t-shirts and I never buy merchandising of brands. I'm also dying to get my hands on a Mikage plush (I don't care if have to pay international shipping costs or have to do it myself, I WANT ONE!)

The problem is that the Industry hasn't quite figured out how to market itself internationally in the same way music is done. Nor has it figured out how to satisfy our demands for quicker releases in our languages which is why we go the not so legal way to get what we want.

The music artists have found ways to captilize on this. Have you seen how fast Vitas an obscure Russian pop singer has just exploded internationally because of the youtube mv's and distribution of his music into download sites and torrents? His production company has actively supported this, his website is bilingal and he is planning a massive tour in Asia. And this all because people discovered his music through download sites and youtube.

In fact, I found him through a com on LJ and saw a few of his mv and fell in love with the singer. He is brilliantly talented. I'm also planning on buying a few of his cds even though I don't understand a single word he is singing as all of his songs (so far that I know) are in Russian.

It has taken years for the artist industry to figure out ways how to make the system work for them. The MPAA and the RIAA don't want to admit that they were in the wrong so them and their allies are continuing to push the issue.

This whole thing was not so much about theft and privacy as a boycott against the industry for the outlandish prices they have cds at. It costs them $1 to make a single cd and they charge us $20. They are one of the most profitable industries worldwide and they are just pissed that people are no longer willing to shell out $20 for a cd that has maybe 3 songs on it that they like to listen to.

It is about competition and forcing these companies to have to deal with its customers demands of better quality for their money and for them to stop ripping off the artists. Instead they decided to sue us.

Meanwhile they are making new 360 contracts whereby the artistis no longer get all the money made by doing tours and merchandising and the greedy fat cats get a big cut of the proceeds.

I'm still in the boycott stage of things. Unless I really like the singer I'm not going to buy a cd of theirs if their production company is part of the RIAA. I'd rather just listen to them on last.fm, the local radio, or borrow cds from friends or family.

just like itunes a mangaka found a way to make money with people who dont want to buy a whole magazine(jump and others) to read one series so he uploaded his chapters one by one on his site and make people pay like 50 yen for one chapter download its pretty intelligent .