Death penalty
17 years ago
Posts: 1502
people make mistakes.
there is no point in death penalty. thats a fact.
in my country the only death penalty ever was on a person who arranged the murder of 6,000,000 and more people.
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17 years ago
Posts: 1117
Quote from moritana
people make mistakes.
there is no point in death penalty. thats a fact.
in my country the only death penalty ever was on a person who arranged the murder of 6,000,000 and more people.
yes the government itself is corrupted, so mistakes are due to happen, and there is a point to death penalty, you just said it, people who are going to keep harming each other are better off dead. I am not talking about any country in particular.
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solitary confinement, provided a lifetime of Gruel and vitamins to keep them alive. Lets see the eagerness to go out and commit murder then.
I never heard of this, I really don't know much about solitary confinement to talk about it, so i'll leave that to you, tell us about it abit would ya? ^^
17 years ago
Posts: 128
Maybe people would be less likely to commit crime if 1st world countries had prisons more like what they have in the 3rd world. Nothing like the fear of suffering from small poxes, scurvy, dysentery, and plague to keep people straight.
Personally I couldn't kill a person unless it was one of those you or them type situations. Just makes me think about how I was told by my grandfather how dirt is easier to clean off than blood. Besides most studies show the death penalty has little to no impact on crime rates in those countries that have it.
True answer is the recreation of secret police to "pick" people up in the middle of the night who are never heard from again. 😲 J/K
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17 years ago
Posts: 11
Quote from moritana
there is no point in death penalty. thats a fact.
I respectfully disagree.
The point with the death penalty is twofold:
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There are simply some things that you just can't let people get away with.
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It's 100% guaranteed that, once dead, a criminal won't be committing any more crimes.
Everything else is pure sophistry.
17 years ago
Posts: 1117
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Quote from moritana
there is no point in death penalty. thats a fact.
I respectfully disagree.
The point with the death penalty is twofold:
There are simply some things that you just can't let people get away with.
It's 100% guaranteed that, once dead, a criminal won't be committing any more crimes.
Everything else is pure sophistry.
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17 years ago
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I don't want to bash anyone or something.. 🤣 But I think that people who wants those criminals to suffer, are just the same like those criminals.. Because they have 'evil' inside them too.. So they're no different..
I just noticed that.. 😛
Everyone has an evil side to them. There's no human alive without the presence of evil deep inside their hearts. It's just that some show it more than other 😃
The way you're saying it is that you wouldn't want to punish criminals or something >_>
See, you're talking evil..! 😲 j/k 😛
I'm just saying that it's hypocritical.. And all the 'criminals' were all regular people who were born as babies..
You could have been a 'criminal' too.. But lucky for you, you got in a good environment, which turned you in a person with morals.. And knows better than to act on that 'evil'..
erm....no
Everyone was indeed born innocent...well, most of us >_> but blaming the environment for those who have turned to the dark side is somewhat an excuse for them.
It's just how strong of willpower you have. True, I could've been a criminal. I was a shoplifter back in grade school and that would've got me a dismemberment sentence in the middle-east. I could have been a molester or a rapist (manly urges?FPS too high) but I digest. It's not my environment that caused to think these thoughts. They're more of the whisperings of the devil...or you could say my sense of righteousness was wavering.
If you still want to stay on the matter of environment, then I must say that there have been many criminals who were brought up in the same environment as mine or any other random person you can find on the streets (not hobos/drug dealers of course) My cousin was a serial thief, he went to juvie for a few years. His living environment? Way more strict than mine (Asian parents ftw? 😛 ). Still didn't stop him from doing what he kept doing ever since he was still young >_> Oh, when I say strict, I mean full on caning and beating till the point where he pissed his pants when he was caught stealing.
You choose to be a criminal yourself. Once you do that, you should lose most of your rights. You can't really blame on your living environment when you've done so. It's irresponsible.
17 years ago
Posts: 128
I just don't see how anyone could think of themselves as evolved, civilized and just when they still truly believe that killing murders to show that killing is wrong is justifiable. A pure sophistry or confusing or illogical argument used for deceiving someone is most definitely not the case.
You either feel its right to kill another human being or you don't. You either are able to sacrifice your principles about killing another for the shake of killing someone who has killed or not. Everyone has a choice it may not always be easy you may not like it but it is there. Take away their rights and throw in them a hole for the rest of their lives. Just just am not able to pass final judgment on another’s life(kill them) it would just make me like so many other cruel people in the world. There would be so very little to separate me from them.
We all have evil in us to some level and the fear, pain, and suffering of a lifetime can bring out the worst in us no matter how righteous the intentions. But we have to make a choice wither or not recommitting the same evils done upon us is anything more than selfish revenge. Making you feel better not bettering society and humanity.
Justice is blind for a reason, not all judge to be guilty are necessary so. But you would have the innocent die along side the guilty merely to feel better and safer at night.
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17 years ago
Posts: 1591
this topic is gonna be killed soon by one of the admins....i just no it....
buuuuuuuuuuut, i had this arguement @ skol....so i dunno which side 2 support, so therefore i wont vote on anything XD
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Moderator17 years ago
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If you still want to stay on the matter of environment, then I must say that there have been many criminals who were brought up in the same environment as mine or any other random person you can find on the streets (not hobos/drug dealers of course) My cousin was a serial thief, he went to juvie for a few years. His living environment? Way more strict than mine (Asian parents ftw? ). Still didn't stop him from doing what he kept doing ever since he was still young >_> Oh, when I say strict, I mean full on caning and beating till the point where he pissed his pants when he was caught stealing.
With 'environment' I also include all your experiences in life, everything that happened to you in your life, every person you got in contact with.. I feel that like every detail that happens to you can even change you slightly..
So that's why everybody's 'environment' is different..
But apparantly our definitions of environment are different.. 🤣
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17 years ago
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I just don't see how anyone could think of themselves as evolved, civilized and just when they still truly believe that killing murders to show that killing is wrong is justifiable.
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You either feel its right to kill another human being or you don't.
Just because one is civilized does not obligate one to be food for predators. And like it or not (and I do not, but the laws of nature don't care much about that), some of your fellow humans beings see their fellow man as that, and only that.
The right to self defense is the first law of nature. And if one is prepared, ready, willing and able to kill in one's own defense, then terminating the life of another post facto is merely an extension of that.
Justice is a nice idea. Unfortunately, it's pretty much a man-made fiction; an example of man's superego attempting to impose itself on a universe that knows not and cares even less. True "justice" would bring the victim(s) back to wholeness again, and that, as well all know, is in most cases physically impossible. At best, limited creatures that we are, what we mostly end up with is prevention and/or revenge.
Just my humble opinion.
17 years ago
Posts: 196
murder is murder, and murder is wrong, it doesn't matter if it's the state or some psycho gunman who does it...
Moderator17 years ago
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Besides, living in a cell for the rest of your life is far worse than ending your would-be-miserable life quickly.
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17 years ago
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Besides, living in a cell for the rest of your life is far worse than ending your would-be-miserable life quickly.
gotta say i totally agree with that statement. nothing's worse then living a life without freedom. though it's really dependent on the situation though, cause there is a chance of repentance and reform for those with a life sentence. but then there's also a chance of those who could really careless of what they did and could do what they did again if they got a chance too.
Member17 years ago
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no, I don't support the death penalty.
it's not enough,
I would support the "Absolute penalty".
One punishment for all crimes regardless of scale, death to all law breakers.Just try breaking laws now, screw if you're innocent or not, if everyone's dead, no more crimes, 🤣
but really, considering how screwed up this world is, you might be doing them a favor.
Life is as one chooses it to be. Choose at your own discretion, for every choice there is a consequence. For each chosen path there is no room for the discarded past, only the future one decided upon himself.
They've done their part in getting there, all things will follow what must, death is but a path all of us will take one day, regardless of what one's mind think of another.
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Member17 years ago
Posts: 476
I support the death penalty for the criminals that do really really really bad things because the government would costs millions of money to this kind of people to lock them up instead of using it to the poor people and for the country..
