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Quick thing on the Mayans. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they believed history was a cycle and the end of the world would come multiple times. One of their predicted dates was 2012. Another one was the day the Spaniards landed in America. And that's part of the reason why there's such a big fuss about them, since they did kind of predict the end of their world. I'm not a history major, I might be wrong, but I have heard that in several different places.

In this case, following this logic line, each of their predictions tells the disaster of their own world. Meaning each prophecy predicts their own fate. So then that concludes that 2012 will be another unfortunate event for the Mayans. But since they are already not here, the prediction is void.

Do you see what's happening here? The historians are unconsciously biasing the theory. Rather they are looking for evidence that support the theory. I'm pretty sure other major events occured to the Mayans that's not in the dates of their prediciton. Also if their predictions apply to everyone, then why didn't they predict the Blach Death killing 66 percent of Europe. Or WWI and WWII with the invention of the most destructive weapon the human have ever seen.

Btw, there's a new movie coming out called 2012: The trailer looks pretty cool!

http://movies.apple.com/movies/sony/2012/2012-tlr1_1080p.mov

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Quick thing on the Mayans. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they believed history was a cycle and the end of the world would come multiple times. One of their predicted dates was 2012. Another one was the day the Spaniards landed in America. And that's part of the reason why there's such a big fuss about them, since they did kind of predict the end of their world. I'm not a history major, I might be wrong, but I have heard that in several different places.

In this case, following this logic line, each of their predictions tells the disaster of their own world. Meaning each prophecy predicts their own fate. So then that concludes that 2012 will be another unfortunate event for the Mayans. But since they are already not here, the prediction is void.

Do you see what's happening here? The historians are unconsciously biasing the theory. Rather they are looking for evidence that support the theory. I'm pretty sure other major events occured to the Mayans that's not in the dates of their prediciton. Also if their predictions apply to everyone, then why didn't they predict the Blach Death killing 66 percent of Europe. Or WWI and WWII with the invention of the most destructive weapon the human have ever seen.

Well, to be quite honest, the AZTECS, not the mayans, predicted that on a certain year, quetzalcoatl, a feathered serpent god, would come from his home and destroy them. That same year, Cortez comes from across the sea and destroys them. The Aztecs even recognized him as quetzalcoatl, attempting to pay tributes to stave off his wrath (Cortez matched the snake god's description surprisingly well). This was a complete destruction. No Aztecs left. All gone. The Aztecs, predicting a cyclical nature of destruction, had placed the world's destruction on 2012. Complete destruction. Of course, it's easy to ask why they didn't predict this or why they didn't have some clues to that, but, well, I'm no scholar of the Aztecs, so they very well may have. Also note much of their knowledge was lost. The big predictions are the only ones that get carved into monuments, after all.

Historians haven't laid any bias. They've noted that certain Aztec predictions line up with certain Aztec events. They've reported further on the predictions. They haven't particularly biased anything, since they didn't come to any actual conclusions. Also, you've said that Aztec predictions tells the disaster of the Aztec world. Okay. That's pretty safe. Hmm, let's take a look at what planet the Mayans lived on. What's that? Earth? So then, their prediction of the destruction of the Earth pertains to themselves? Wow. It does pertain to them. 😲

Now, of course, it's preposterous to think an ancient civilization knew of the end of the world's coming through means of divination. Yet, mystery and the supernatural have always attracted people's curiosity. The occurrence of something so bizarre is bound to pique people's interest, even if there is no logical basis for it. Nostradamus also has many followers, but his predictions are vague, and far too open to interpretation. Please don't try to rob people of enjoyable fiction simply because it doesn't hold up to logic. This sort of thing is for fun.

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Quick thing on the Mayans. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they believed history was a cycle and the end of the world would come multiple times. One of their predicted dates was 2012. Another one was the day the Spaniards landed in America. And that's part of the reason why there's such a big fuss about them, since they did kind of predict the end of their world. I'm not a history major, I might be wrong, but I have heard that in several different places.

In this case, following this logic line, each of their predictions tells the disaster of their own world. Meaning each prophecy predicts their own fate. So then that concludes that 2012 will be another unfortunate event for the Mayans. But since they are already not here, the prediction is void.

Do you see what's happening here? The historians are unconsciously biasing the theory. Rather they are looking for evidence that support the theory. I'm pretty sure other major events occured to the Mayans that's not in the dates of their prediciton. Also if their predictions apply to everyone, then why didn't they predict the Blach Death killing 66 percent of Europe. Or WWI and WWII with the invention of the most destructive weapon the human have ever seen.

Well, to be quite honest, the AZTECS, not the mayans, predicted that on a certain year, quetzalcoatl, a feathered serpent god, would come from his home and destroy them. That same year, Cortez comes from across the sea and destroys them. The Aztecs even recognized him as quetzalcoatl, attempting to pay tributes to stave off his wrath (Cortez matched the snake god's description surprisingly well). This was a complete destruction. No Aztecs left. All gone. The Aztecs, predicting a cyclical nature of destruction, had placed the world's destruction on 2012. Complete destruction. Of course, it's easy to ask why they didn't predict this or why they didn't have some clues to that, but, well, I'm no scholar of the Aztecs, so they very well may have. Also note much of their knowledge was lost. The big predictions are the only ones that get carved into monuments, after all.

Historians haven't laid any bias. They've noted that certain Aztec predictions line up with certain Aztec events. They've reported further on the predictions. They haven't particularly biased anything, since they didn't come to any actual conclusions. Also, you've said that Aztec predictions tells the disaster of the Aztec world. Okay. That's pretty safe. Hmm, let's take a look at what planet the Mayans lived on. What's that? Earth? So then, their prediction of the destruction of the Earth pertains to themselves? Wow. It does pertain to them. 😲

Now, of course, it's preposterous to think an ancient civilization knew of the end of the world's coming through means of divination. Yet, mystery and the supernatural have always attracted people's curiosity. The occurrence of something so bizarre is bound to pique people's interest, even if there is no logical basis for it. Nostradamus also has many followers, but his predictions are vague, and far too open to interpretation. Please don't try to rob people of enjoyable fiction simply because it doesn't hold up to logic. This sort of thing is for fun.

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Quick thing on the Mayans. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they believed history was a cycle and the end of the world would come multiple times. One of their predicted dates was 2012. Another one was the day the Spaniards landed in America. And that's part of the reason why there's such a big fuss about them, since they did kind of predict the end of their world. I'm not a history major, I might be wrong, but I have heard that in several different places.

If you read my post earlier, wiki says you're right about the cycles thing. 2012 is the end of the 13th cycle, which is when the calendar resets. Makes you wonder what happened at the end of each of those cycles huh? Might be time to hit wikipedia again 😀

EDIT: I guess people ignored my massive wall of text before 😢 Guys, 2012 is the end of the 13th cycle of the Mayan calendar. They never predicted that the world was going to end at the end of each cycle. The end of the 13th is significant to them because it is when their calendar resets. SOMETHING is supposed to happen at that time. The two most popular MODERN interpretations of that something seems to be either the apocalypse or the birth of a new era.

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Quick thing on the Mayans. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they believed history was a cycle and the end of the world would come multiple times. One of their predicted dates was 2012. Another one was the day the Spaniards landed in America. And that's part of the reason why there's such a big fuss about them, since they did kind of predict the end of their world. I'm not a history major, I might be wrong, but I have heard that in several different places.

If you read my post earlier, wiki says you're right about the cycles thing. 2012 is the end of the 13th cycle, which is when the calendar resets. Makes you wonder what happened at the end of each of those cycles huh? Might be time to hit wikipedia again 😀

Is it possible someone changed wiki just now ? 😀 I most certainly didn't do it. 🤣

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how do people know that the world is gona end on 2012?? i thought the Mayan Calender just ended on the 2012 it doesnt say its gona end when the calendar ends does it?.. maybe that means a new era is approaching for mankind to struggle there ass off to survive

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They couldn't even predict that they were going to be wiped out by Spaniards. So why does everyone believe that they can predict when the world is going to end?

For all we know the Mayan calender might've ended on 2012 because that's as far as they got in their calculations before they were wiped out by Diego de Landa.

I agree with you that the world won't end. I simply disagree with your reasons for believing that way.

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They did predict their end, is just that they took it as their fate and didn't do anything about it... or do you think If they had wanted to fight the history wouldn't be the other way around? their society was bast not to mention the ratio of soldiers was more than 100 to 1, and the Spaniars didn't wipe them out, the plague did, they saw that plague as the will of the gods and saw their destruction as their fate (that is why religion is so crappy)

Lets say some facts about the Mayans, their Maths and Physics were/are the BEST of all civilizations, and even today we can't reach their level on many stuff, we have to use HUGE servers and computers to do the same thing they did with their Brain.

Second They discovered the Wheel, saw the good sides and the bad sides of such an invention and dropped the whole idea altogether, a wheel even if it is convenient on today roads, it was a HUGE failure as a mean of transportation, the Mayans knew that LEGS where the true masters of movement, Wheels depend too much on the terrain and their adaptability is POOR, on the other hand Legs are masters of any road and their Adaptability is GOOD, so instead of making wagons they improved and made better bags for people to carry stuff around any terrain, yeah it doesn't beat today trucks, but in the Jungle it was the best course of action.

Today society is superior to all other past civilizations, but we can't beat the Mayans yet, and that alone should make you shut up and respect them.

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Just a question: ... Did anyone actually research the Mayans here? I mean really studying them in-depth. No Wiki, or 5-minute exposition in class... 😐

Since I don't think anyone is qualified then to say anything. We can speculate though...

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lol.makes me wonder..Has Hollywood made movies related to Nostradamus' predictions?

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I am not a heavy researcher, but I did my part (not in wiki) I have a couple of books...

and the more you know about them, the more you want to respect them, sadly we don't know much because everything that wasn't written in stone was destroyed, but I can say they where great, and I would love to know what kind of mathematical formulas they used to solve problems that only computers of today can do

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Ok I need to say this

They did predict their end, is just that they took it as their fate and didn't do anything about it... or do you think If they had wanted to fight the history wouldn't be the other way around? their society was bast not to mention the ratio of soldiers was more than 100 to 1, and the Spaniars didn't wipe them out, the plague did, they saw that plague as the will of the gods and saw their destruction as their fate (that is why religion is so crappy)

Lets say some facts about the Mayans, their Maths and Physics were/are the BEST of all civilizations, and even today we can't reach their level on many stuff, we have to use HUGE servers and computers to do the same thing they did with their Brain.

Second They discovered the Wheel, saw the good sides and the bad sides of such an invention and dropped the whole idea altogether, a wheel even if it is convenient on today roads, it was a HUGE failure as a mean of transportation, the Mayans knew that LEGS where the true masters of movement, Wheels depend too much on the terrain and their adaptability is POOR, on the other hand Legs are masters of any road and their Adaptability is GOOD, so instead of making wagons they improved and made better bags for people to carry stuff around any terrain, yeah it doesn't beat today trucks, but in the Jungle it was the best course of action.

Today society is superior to all other past civilizations, but we can't beat the Mayans yet, and that alone should make you shut up and respect them.

Where are you getting this information? The "fate of the Mayans" you described happened to the Aztecs. The reason for the collapse of the Mayans is still being debated by Mayanists (yes it's a real term) today. Unless you know something they don't...

Also, the wheel thing seems like BS as well. Are you telling me that the wheel wouldn't have helped when they were building their ziggeruats (I've seen them IRL and they're built on flat land). Again where did you get this info? Even if they did discard the wheel, I'd think that the reason they didn't use it is becaused they lacked the necessary draft animals (ie horses, cows, oxen) to make full use of them.

Can everyone please stop spreading misinformation? This thread wouldn't be nearly as confused and hotly argued if people would take the time to do a basic google search before posting.

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I haven't formally researched them, except for one research paper I did, but I did take a class on ancient civilizations. I'm not claiming to be an expert or anything and I forgot most of what I learned but I remember enough to see that the information in wiki seems true. It would be cool though if we did have a Mayanist on board 🙂

Oh... Aztecs... Sometimes I mess up (goes to read the book's again)

Let me dig around the internet, that should be posted somewhere

http://www.precolumbianwheel.com/

They knew about the wheel and they knew their advantages on flat terrain, however, they didn't had anything to pull wagons other than Human power, and as such the wheel was little more than a toy, it was faster to just use a bag to carry materials than to have a wagon full of heavy rocks that no one is going to pull >_>

But as far as we know maybe they did use the Wheel on construction, but surely not in daily transportation

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it's not the world ending what the Mayans predicted, it's the end of the era as we know it, actually it's already happening...

let me explain: the Mayans calculated that on December 21 2012 (i think its the 21st), the world more importantly the humans would stop being the way they are: planet Earth would start showing signs that the humans were killing it so Earth had to try and make a balance (we see this in Thailand with the tsunami and in China with the earthquake, for example)

from then on it was up to humanity to take a turn in the way we are living (in excess) so we can make our children have a brighter future
we also can see this in the whole "healthy & ecological" ideas the media has brought into our minds...and also ourselves making the change because we want to, not because we HAVE to

that's what the Mayans meant (I'm almost an expert in Mayan and Egyptian history/archeology lol)

also the date is an estimated one, remember that the Mayans had 13 months of 28 days plus 5 which were called "the time of no time" dedicated to contemplate their thoughts, the changes the next year would bring, etc)
anyway what I'm trying to say here it's that maybe the date already came and went or maybe we're about to take the next step

...for purposes of the poll i voted "other"...

I hope i could clear up some doubts, if somebody knows something i didn't plz feel free to pm me or post it here so we can clear up the doubts

have a bright day and a shiny night!!
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This person said she's almost an expert in Mayan history/archeology, so...

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Just a question: ... Did anyone actually research the Mayans here? I mean really studying them in-depth. No Wiki, or 5-minute exposition in class... 😐

Since I don't think anyone is qualified then to say anything. We can speculate though...

Yep cause I could have just gone on Wiki and made the whole thing up, not that I did.

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