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You contradict yourself a lot. You know that? o.O
You said they're "not actually elements". Then you say "If not elements, then what?"
.....now that's ironic.

and yeah, I went to look for that quote. Took me 2 minutes. Though I fail to see how thats irony on my part >.>

You fail at English. :/

Let me spell out for you. I understand you probably don't get the finer points of a discussion because you're a Theist. It's ok. I forgive you. "If wind, water, fire, and earth were to be categorized as anything, even incorrectly, they would be categorized as elements. This is really the only common categorization of those four items. In the sense of real elements, they hardly shake out, so they're as pseudo-elements." Do you get it now or do I have to bring the comprehension level down to that of 5th grade?

It's not irony on your part. The statement is ironic considering you're using it to prove a point against me and it was originally used against a guy who was trying to insult me (and doing a bad job of it).

Come on Drgn, don't be mad. I don't get where I said I was humble so I'm kind of confused as to why you're so surprised that I think I'm smarter than most people in the world.

Edit: LOL, you linked to ED. Welcome to the internet.

-Actually those four were considered in the past to be the major components of all matter and then they referred to them as elements. The usage of the term in that way should not surprise anyone since referring to them in that way predates the common usage of the term despite it is now known that elements are not such. Simply put when those things are mentioned together calling them elements shouldn't be too much of a stretch in a metaphor or the like since to some people they hold some symbolism or in that case a religious connotation.   
       -Also I might remind you that this is a casual internet forum on a site devoted to comics of all things, so in the name of all that is good in this world don't get offended by misspellings, grammatical mistakes, or mistakes in nomenclature especially when some of these people don't even speak english as their first language.   
       -Now to answer what Uberzombie asked I will speak *my* beliefs (note: as much as I would rejoice to have someone agree with me, that is not my point, in fact the very reason I am even on this board is to point out the flaws in human reasoning, not to promote an agenda): A. I believe in a self-existent deity that created the universe. B. I believe that deity is all-powerful but only to the point as is limited to that deity's nature, character, or simply put that deity's desires C. I believe that deity would not defy itself because it would not desire to. D. I believe that all people must answer one day for their actions and motivations about their life.

"Don't worry about the fine print. The soul consumption clause is never exorcised

I'm actually interested in knowing what a Deity represents to a theist. For obvious reasons the conception of God has changed since it's original conception. So what does God represent to the theists on the forum?

Just to get the topic back on track, though I'm not sure what the actual track is.

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You contradict yourself a lot. You know that? o.O
You said they're "not actually elements". Then you say "If not elements, then what?"
.....now [i]that's[/i] ironic.

and yeah, I went to look for that quote. Took me 2 minutes. Though I fail to see how thats irony on my part >.>

You fail at English. :/

Let me spell out for you. I understand you probably don't get the finer points of a discussion because you're a Theist. It's ok. I forgive you. "If wind, water, fire, and earth were to be categorized as anything, even incorrectly, they would be categorized as elements. This is really the only common categorization of those four items. In the sense of real elements, they hardly shake out, so they're as pseudo-elements." Do you get it now or do I have to bring the comprehension level down to that of 5th grade?

It's not irony on your part. The statement is ironic considering you're using it to prove a point against me and it was originally used against a guy who was trying to insult me (and doing a bad job of it).

Come on Drgn, don't be mad. I don't get where I said I was humble so I'm kind of confused as to why you're so surprised that I think I'm smarter than most people in the world.

Edit: LOL, you linked to ED. Welcome to the internet.

Actually those four were considered in the past to be the major components of all matter and then they referred to them as elements. The usage of the term in that way should not surprise anyone since referring to them in that way predates the common usage of the term despite it is now known that elements are not such. Simply put when those things are mentioned together calling them elements shouldn't be too much of a stretch in a metaphor or the like since to some people they hold some symbolism or in that case a religious connotation.   

Also I might remind you that this is a casual internet forum on a site devoted to comics of all things, so in the name of all that is good in this world don't get offended by misspellings, grammatical mistakes, or mistakes in nomenclature especially when some of these people don't even speak English as their first language.

Sounds good. Keeping that in mind moving forward. Anyway, xObscurexOmenx, i disagree with saying that theists are less intelligent than atheists, and would want to see the studies and how they were conducted and on who before i accept that as valid. (don't worry about procuring them though, i can do that on my own time 😀 ) But I agree that everyone should be able to form their own beliefs. However i think its important to remember that the reason i would think most families would involve their children in the religion they practice is to continue the traditions in their families. I don't think practicing a religion when your a child should prevent you from then deciding what your own beliefs are whenever you decide to do that. But i definitely agree that its important for everyone to form their own arguments for their reasoning.

Edit: thanks for that Drgn, I'm going to sleep on it and get back to you tomorrow. ^_^

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xObscurexOmenx, i disagree with saying that theists are less intelligent than atheists, and would want to see the studies and how they were conducted and on who before i accept that as valid. (don't worry about procuring them though, i can do that on my own time 😀 ) But I agree that everyone should be able to form their own beliefs. However i think its important to remember that the reason i would think most families would involve their children in the religion they practice is to continue the traditions in their families. I don't think practicing a religion when your a child should prevent you from then deciding what your own beliefs are whenever you decide to do that. But i definitely agree that its important for everyone to form their own arguments for their reasoning.

All those studies seem to point out is that the higher your I.Q. the less likely you're religious and the more scientific you are the less likely you are to be religious. But as to whether or not these make you smarter on a whole (IQ tests are debatable in their accuracy and this states that you could be a genius involving math but still be very religious), it's up in the air.

Yeah, I've run across that question, too... On one hand, culture and tradition is very important, but on the other, you don't want to force-feed a toddler all of your beliefs and whatnot. I guess it really has to do with how the tradition is passed on. (Comparing someone telling their kid that God exists no matter what anyone says and that the Christian God is the only true god to someone who informs their kid of what they believe without ordering their child to agree with them at every thought.)

But I hope you can find the studies easiliy enough. I've never actually tried to look them up online myself, so I can't say whether or not they're in the open...

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Oooh, ooh! Were they djinns?! (Wind/water/earth/fire aren't actually elements, just in case you didn't know.)

Anyway, I actually am explicitly stating that Atheists are inherently smarter than Theists. I could explain further, but some people's feelings will get hurt and then they'll get the mods involved to shut me up. ;_;

Guess why I am here? 😀

No no, not to shut you up, but rather to correct you.....again.

Fire, water, wind, and earth are all elements. They are classified as the elements of the weather. In fact, a dictionary would list one of the meanings as "One of the substances, usually earth, water, air, and fire, formerly regarded as constituting the material universe".

Back on topic. I believe in the existence of beings on higher planes of existence. They are there, we just cannot observe them because we do not hold the mental capacities to do so. Would I consider this person, or people, a god, or gods?

Unsure. God is described as the supreme being. Capable of doing things we think impossible. If that type of being exists, I don't think it would reveal itself to anyone, as it would probably see us as imperfect. Unless you talk about destruction, which seems to be what our species is best at. I picked Maybe.

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hey just wonderin, is you believe in God, are u allowed to read mangas/ watch anime that makes a different kind of God? I dunno how to explain this properly....mmm, for example, would u/ are u allowed to read death note? (light wants to be next god, shinigami..etc..) Im sure there are a lot of other mangas but i can't think of any right now

my friend wasn't allowed to watch/read death note because her mum says its not right (putting god in vain or sth).

I'm allowed to 😐
It really depends on the strength of your faith. When something is super influential lets say...Haruhism (hmm...I need a stronger example) or something, then either be cautious or just avoid it. But so far I haven't encountered any. Besides, like I said before, most religions accept other religions. We don't just shoot them down saying it's the wrong one or anything. We accept, and respect...or at least we're supposed to >.>

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I'm allowed to 😐
When something is super influential lets say...Haruhism (hmm...I need a stronger example) or something, then either be cautious or just avoid it.

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lol Win.

Stop pretending you're from 4chon.

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Fire, water, wind, and earth are all elements. They are classified as the elements of the weather. In fact, a dictionary would list one of the meanings as "One of the substances, usually earth, water, air, and fire, formerly regarded as constituting the material universe".

That was its [b][u]former[/b][/u] definition. Try putting that answer down on a science test and then arguing with the professor. <3 (To be fair to you though, I don't think you actually understand what you're arguing about, so I won't judge you to be as stupid as I previously thought.)

Back on topic. I believe in the existence of beings on higher planes of existence. They are there, we just cannot observe them because we do not hold the mental capacities to do so. Would I consider this person, or people, a god, or gods?

Mental capacities? So we can't observe them because they're all in our heads? Ok, I agree.

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lol Win.

Stop pretending you're from 4chon.

From where? 🤣

sorry but it's just hard for me to believe in something that is thought to exist. Although the belief of god is strong but i can't say i believe there is a god since there is no actual evidence of his existence.
Neither choosing the belief of god's existence (yes) or the scientific answer (no) i chose maybe because it's the only chice i can choose.

kuraixdesu, I hope you won't group God and science as mutually exclusive. In fact I think science is a great tool to increase the probability that God actually exists. Take for example, the complexity of the human body. Just think what the probability for your existence could be. There is only one right way to create you, out of the ridiculously many different other possibilities. Not just you, but the entire human speices, the shear complexity of the human body causes one to question the idea that we were just randomly formed from a group of primordial cells. Certainly not perfect, but it's one way of looking at the hand of God.

Zubz, I'm not sure I believe your argument, but I do agree that science and God can possibly be bridged, whether or not that means trying to prove or disprove the existence of God.

Back on topic. I believe in the existence of beings on higher planes of existence. They are there, we just cannot observe them because we do not hold the mental capacities to do so. Would I consider this person, or people, a god, or gods?

Although this may or not be true, it really does make it sound as if there's no point in trying to find out. You'll never know until you try, right? So despite this, I will continue to look for the existence or nonexistence of God.

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@ DS, the way, you said it, it's like you're saying that you're far smarter than all theist put together. wonder why i haven't seen you won any nobel prizes before.

god exist, we couldn't see him. why would he let us see him? we barely believe in him. the muslim's prophet Muhammad bow to the floor not daring to see the mighty god who made him(when god call for Muhammad to see him), even the most purest of humans don't dare to see him directly, what gave us the right to see him? we are far inferior than Muhammad. ahh.. so many things to say, so little that came out.

if you don't believe in god(s), don't shot down those who believe. it's like a sore losers who just lost a fight to a girl.

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lybi my point is not to prove God, I certainly can't do that and I doubt very much if anyone could show God off in the conventional sense, but my point is that you can't rule out God as a possibility. Atheism to me is Intellectual arrogance. It claims to have the answers to everything and it emphatically states that it is 100% sure that God doesn't exist. When presented with the only way to actually commune with God it dismisses it as mystical non sense. I personally can't understand Atheism in the sense that it robs everything of meaning. Take my example of God creating you purposely. In the Atheistic outlook God has no play in it in fact a human being is nothing more than accidental chance. I would hate to wake up every morning with the thought of my existence being nothing more than an accident.

lybi my point is not to prove God, I certainly can't do that and I doubt very much if anyone could show God off in the conventional sense, but my point is that you can't rule out God as a possibility. Atheism to me is Intellectual arrogance. It claims to have the answers to everything and it emphatically states that it is 100% sure that God doesn't exist. When presented with the only way to actually commune with God it dismisses it as mystical non sense. I personally can't understand Atheism in the sense that it robs everything of meaning. Take my example of God creating you purposely. In the Atheistic outlook God has no play in it in fact a human being is nothing more than accidental chance. I would hate to wake up every morning with the thought of my existence being nothing more than an accident.

I think you have the wrong idea here, Atheism is far from Intellectual Arrogance as you put it.

I'm an Atheist, I'm not intellectually arrogant in regards to god. I believe that there is no god, I also believe that he cannot exist due to the Infinite Civilization Loop.

The Physicist Freeman J. Dyson came up with a theory in regards to Civilization Classes. So far there are six known Civilizations classes, but the Loop is created from the appliance of the theory.

Class 0 - is a civilization that uses the resources of it's own planet, as well as synthesizes it's own resources to power the technology on the planet.

As of Current Status Quo; humanity is a Class 0 Civilization.

Class I - is one which uses the entire planetary resources of their planet to technologically "power" their unified, world-wide civilization. A Class 1 civilization may have just started to explore and travel to other planets of their solar/star system.

Class II - is one which uses the entire solar resources of their star system to "power" their star-system civilization (like Dyson's Sphere). They may have just started to explore and travel to other star systems.

Class III - is a human civilization that uses the entire galactic resources of the individual galaxy in which they are resident. They may have started to explore and travel to other galaxies of the Universe.

Class IV - is a human civilization that uses the entire resources of the Universe. Such a human civilization is usually beginning to explore transdimensional space and beyond.

Class V - is a human civilization that uses the entire resources of the Cosmos. Such a civilization is well transdimensional and beyond, traversing between various Cosmos' with ease.

With that in mind a question comes up, who created human beings? Since the Universe is so Large, one can assume that it might. And do note I said might have been an Alien Civilization. So then the next question comes who created an Alien Civilization. The answer to that might be another much more advanced alien civilization and for each other civilization that exists, another will be it's creator.

Surely you can write off the creation of humanity and the universe by one subjective object. God. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's true, nor does it mean we have to believe that and if we don't believe that. It doesn't make us Intellectually Arrogant, it just makes us normal people who would rather have fact over fiction.

Lastly, Terra was not created in six days! Mathematics, physics, geology, other major sciences proves it billions of times over.