Believing in God
Member18 years ago
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oh ****!!!!! this place is atheist as ****!!!!!
lol, i guess i contribute to that too XD
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18 years ago
Posts: 194
i don't know if God is real or not, but must have been real for how else was/is that name still living?...
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18 years ago
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i don't know if God is real or not, but must have been real for how else was/is that name still living?...
i just again realized how wierd it is how most westeners (that counts australians too) call the christian/judeo/muslim god just "god"
It's like calling Kanada country all the time, or the redskins the team, .....
i am sure you get it,
P.S. this doesn't have anything to do with the fact if god exists or not
18 years ago
Posts: 492
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Quote from xissix6
i don't know if God is real or not, but must have been real for how else was/is that name still living?...
i just again realized how wierd it is how most westeners (that counts australians too) call the christian/judeo/muslim god just "god"
It's like calling Kanada country all the time, or the redskins the team, .....
i am sure you get it,
P.S. this doesn't have anything to do with the fact if god exists or not
perhaps we try to avoid confrontations.
Let's get Kickin' ...whatever that means
18 years ago
Posts: 278
Quote from Israfel
oh ****!!!!! this place is atheist as ****!!!!!
lol, i guess i contribute to that too XD
Drgn, that you dare to defile the name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster by comparing HIM with your deity easily proves that you are a mean jerkface with bad hair. HE is beyond man's experience, thus there is no way for you to judge HIM or the plausibility of HIS existence.
18 years ago
Posts: 48
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oh ****!!!!! this place is atheist as ****!!!!!
lol, i guess i contribute to that too XD
Drgn, that you dare to defile the name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster by comparing HIM with your deity easily proves that you are a mean jerkface with bad hair. HE is beyond man's experience, thus there is no way for you to judge HIM or the plausibility of HIS existence.
Oh my goodness! Your comment about F.S.M. is killing me! can't breathe due to laughter
Also most of the reasons your graph is TRUE (gasp! his graph is true) is because organized religion watered down by the clergy's opinions and personal crusades often contradict the religion that they claim to follow (ex: Thou shall not kill....crusades (by the way the crusades were not all one sided either (after half of spain was muslim at one time under a bloody crusade led some Islamic leaders (not to say that they are the only people manipulated by rulers into thinking killing was just in the name of religion))).
note: I apologize for my (((())))
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18 years ago
Posts: 3380
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How you can have a non-bloody crusade escapes me. There's no need to say "bloody crusade" >.<
The common point of argument for the atheists is that religion are the cause of many murders and then they point to the crusades. First just let me remind you that the crusades weren't about religion but about territory. If you want to blame wars on religion, then what about the wars between England and France? Wars between different Christian branches? o.O Just look at Israel and Palestine for god sakes (pun so intended). They're just fighting for land but many people think it's just "Jews vs Muslims". People die in wars. People kill and get killed. John Lenon got killed by a nut who was a nut, not killed because the guy thought he was in the "wrong religion".
It's funny how atheists can be against religion yet live in communities with laws based on religion. Yes, thats right. Our family morals, or just morals in general, are based on religion.
@DS - What's that graph supposed to prove? Sure, people supporting religion usually sound like idiots believing in everything and worshiping something they cant see. They tend to say a lot of useless stuff, yes. But that doesn't mean our literacy is bad. Heck, I've rebutted against atheists before and they end with a "@!$#@$%". Should I make a graph for us too? No, I shouldn't and wouldn't. It's snobbish.
18 years ago
Posts: 278
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It's funny how atheists can be against religion yet live in communities with laws based on religion. Yes, thats right. Our family morals, or just morals in general, are based on religion.
Not killing someone was a concept that was around long before religion. Fancy that!
Our laws are also quite fucked up. In the past we enslaved black people. Not so quick to defend your religion based on the idea that we have laws from it now, are you?
But to be fair, if our country was really based on Christianity, would not the Ten Commandments be the only ten laws? Hmmmm...Somehow people are still working on Sunday without being put to death. AMAZING!
@DS - What's that graph supposed to prove? Sure, people supporting religion usually sound like idiots believing in everything and worshiping something they cant see. They tend to say a lot of useless stuff, yes. But that doesn't mean our literacy is bad. Heck, I've rebutted against atheists before and they end with a "@!$#@$%". Should I make a graph for us too? No, I shouldn't and wouldn't. It's snobbish.
The graph implies that the more educated a person is, the less likely they are to believe in a god. Of course, that graph doesn't account for brainwashing, which is a little bit more difficult to take care of. 🙂
18 years ago
Posts: 4030
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@DS - What's that graph supposed to prove? Sure, people supporting religion usually sound like idiots believing in everything and worshiping something they cant see. They tend to say a lot of useless stuff, yes. But that doesn't mean our literacy is bad. Heck, I've rebutted against atheists before and they end with a "@!$#@$%". Should I make a graph for us too? No, I shouldn't and wouldn't. It's snobbish.
The graph implies that the more educated a person is, the less likely they are to believe in a god. Of course, that graph doesn't account for brainwashing, which is a little bit more difficult to take care of. 🙂
🤣 By chance, I'm doing an assignment for my statistics class right now and there was an example about religious preferences of Americans (I checked the source over the net and it's right), and people who identified themselves as having no religion (agnostic/atheist) are about 15% of the population... so does that mean 85% or Americans are dumb(er)? Or were you implying that because you're an atheist automatically makes you smarter than 85% of them?
Well whatever, I don't really care. I just thought that it was an interesting coincidence with your graph and everything.
BTW, I believe that there is a deity out there, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't make me any less smarter than I would have been if I didn't believe in one.
18 years ago
Posts: 3380
Quote from Dark_Sage
Not killing someone was a concept that was around long before religion. Fancy that!
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Well, I guess it's because you don't believe in God but...religion came before humans. 😐
Our laws are also quite fucked up. In the past we enslaved black people. Not so quick to defend your religion based on the idea that we have laws from it now, are you?
First of all, I'm not from America. Second, of course I'm against slavery of the African Americans but like with the wars, you're doing the same thing. The whites enslaved the blacks because they thought they were of higher class, not because or religion -_- If this was not your point, then you chose a bad example.
But to be fair, if our country was really based on Christianity, would not the Ten Commandments be the only ten laws? Hmmmm...Somehow people are still working on Sunday without being put to death. AMAZING!
Who said it was based on Christianity alone? Don't forget that there's more than one religion and that we don't carry cards with our religion imprinted on it around. They can't restrict non-Christians from working on Sundays now can they? Many communities accept other religions and many religions accept more than just one race. For example, when the Muslims had their rule over the land, people had their own choice of religion.
The graph implies that the more educated a person is, the less likely they are to believe in a god. Of course, that graph doesn't account for brainwashing, which is a little bit more difficult to take care of. 🙂
Sounds to me more like "the more a person thinks he is smart, the more the person thinks he is too smart for god."
18 years ago
Posts: 347
I'd like to draw a parallel between this thread, and my model U.N. class last year. Listening to Armenia's long, drawn out argument about why I as a representative of Germany should not support Turkish Admittance to the E.U.
Regardless of how good the speech was, its not going to change what Germany's position was on the subject.
So basically i think that instead of whipping out graphs on how Literacy and Atheism have a positive correlation, i think it would be more productive to just have a philosophical discussion on this topic.
On topic, I like religions because they are cool and provide interesting ethical and moral guidelines by which to live your life. The presence of God(s) in said religions aren't nearly as important to me personally but I respect people who believe in God(s), because i think its important to have personal beliefs of that nature. I also respect people who don't believe in God(s). I don't respect people who are dicks about it either way. Just my ₤.00979815794 (man the US exchange sucks these days (joke won't pan out because i probably did the math wrong) 😢
Can't read >_<
18 years ago
Posts: 42
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@DS - What's that graph supposed to prove? Sure, people supporting religion usually sound like idiots believing in everything and worshiping something they cant see. They tend to say a lot of useless stuff, yes. But that doesn't mean our literacy is bad. Heck, I've rebutted against atheists before and they end with a "@!$#@$%". Should I make a graph for us too? No, I shouldn't and wouldn't. It's snobbish.
The graph implies that the more educated a person is, the less likely they are to believe in a god. Of course, that graph doesn't account for brainwashing, which is a little bit more difficult to take care of. 🙂
🤣 By chance, I'm doing an assignment for my statistics class right now and there was an example about religious preferences of Americans (I checked the source over the net and it's right), and people who identified themselves as having no religion (agnostic/atheist) are about 15% of the population... so does that mean 85% or Americans are dumb(er)? Or were you implying that because you're an atheist automatically makes you smarter than 85% of them?
Well whatever, I don't really care. I just thought that it was an interesting coincidence with your graph and everything.
BTW, I believe that there is a deity out there, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't make me any less smarter than I would have been if I didn't believe in one.
Reread what Dark Sage wrote, the graph never implies that a theist is any less intelligent than an atheist. Anyway, the graph sucks and I'd never use it it's just a general concept.
Also, a lot more people do not believe in god comparatively to atheists/agnostics, it's safe to say that double that do not believe in god. Because people have religions where there is no deity, that are more of a lifestyle than anything else.
18 years ago
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@TheEgoist: I know. That's why I said I don't care whatever he said. I just found it interesting that while browsing the thread there was a graph and I was lookoing at a table about it... 😐
18 years ago
Posts: 347
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Quote from Dark_Sage
Not killing someone was a concept that was around long before religion. Fancy that!
D:
Well, I guess it's because you don't believe in God but...religion came before humans. 😐
I disagree with this because i doesn't make sense, because acording to the religions whose creation stories i know, people and animals were made at more or less the same time. Are you implying God Practiced His religion before he created the universe?
But to be fair, if our country was really based on Christianity, would not the Ten Commandments be the only ten laws? Hmmmm...Somehow people are still working on Sunday without being put to death. AMAZING!
Who said it was based on Christianity alone? Don't forget that there's more than one religion and that we don't carry cards with our religion imprinted on it around. They can't restrict non-Christians from working on Sundays now can they? Many communities accept other religions and many religions accept more than just one race. For example, when the Muslims had their rule over the land, people had their own choice of religion. Assuming by Muslims you mean the Persian Empire , and people like Cyrus the Great, then yah they did let their conquered people practice their own faith. But the Persian Empire did not practice Islam (at least not to my knowledge, it was Zoroastrianism wasn't it?)
The graph implies that the more educated a person is, the less likely they are to believe in a god. Of course, that graph doesn't account for brainwashing, which is a little bit more difficult to take care of. 🙂
Sounds to me more like "the more a person thinks he is smart, the more the person thinks he is too smart for god." This has a nice ring to it, don't really agree with you but i like how it reads lol
Can't read >_<
18 years ago
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I disagree with this because i doesn't make sense, because acording to the religions whose creation stories i know, people and animals were made at more or less the same time. Are you implying God Practiced His religion before he created the universe?
According to my religion, before humans were created, god created other beings such as the angels and beings made of fire, water, wind etc. (no, not captain planet 🤣 )
Adam came after and the beings were told to bow down to him. The beings of fire declined saying that they were of a higher class as they were made of fire whereas Man(Adam) was made of the earth. I don't think I need to say what these beings of fire were >_>
But anyways...yeah. A little "history" lesson there. Whether you choose to believe or not 🙂
