@zub

ugh... i think ur going a bit extreme on that. guys use porn usually for a quick satisfaction of a hormone high. cough jack off cough.

Not all of porn is degrading. it can also help spice up the relationship for some who have boring sex lives. Forbidden? the fact that it is forbidden is a turn on. at the same time like i said u are going a bit extreme with it. people who watch the so called incest films don't actually like incest. i am pretty sure i have mentioned that i have an account with a few free porn BT sites. the comments of people when it comes to those types of films reflects that they are disgusted with real incest but the fake videos with the cheesy storylines are hot. its all about fantasy.

u mentioned divorce. lmao i am sorry bro that is a really weak argument. while it may contribute somewhat...you can't blame porn for divorce. divorce happens when people fall out of love. it also happens because people rush into it, etc. frankly this "divorce rate" includes 20 year olds who think they are in love etc. when they realize their true feelings and learn to think with something other than genitalia they split. lets not forget the people who mess up marriages because of adultery. there are many reasons people get divorced. i like to think of it as stupid people who weren't 100% committed to each other or the relationship. considering it all has to do with trust and genuine care for the other, its quite obvious that these aren't completely present. also divorce happens a lot of the time with those who have kids. this is because of financial stress along with working and not seeing their partner- and that friend u can take to heart. it is a fact that relationships are at their hardest when kids are present and growing up in the household. frankly any freaks you have seen on doctor phil or the like that show porn as an excuse can kiss my a**.

if you think porn is corrupt etc. don't watch it. no one is forcing you. the fact is. once it is in your head, it won't be leaving. and frankly, anyone who would rather view porn over messing around with their partner has a serious problem. a lot of girls i know like porn. its a turn on. and frankly i don't know of anyone who would say they rather touch themselves to some images, moving or not, over actual sex. in fact a viewing of porn decreases dramatically and sometimes completely when people have a constant supply of sexual satisfaction from a partner

it is quite obvious you are religious from your post. on to your other point. hold out for them? you mean no sex before marriage correct? how does porn come into that? are you trying to say porn makes it harder. i think it is quite the opposite. those that want to actually hold out for whatever reasons will still have urges. for those people porn is an outlet. it will change what they see sex. but its either that or actually doing the deed. u better not try and say u don't masturbate on occasion.

porn can have a negative impact. i think it depends on the person though. oh just so you know porn isn't as degrading to women as you think. i took a sexual behavior class this past year. even had a presentation from a lawyer who has been involved with cases that had to do with porn. survey says women don't see it as degrading. and this was from videos that had guys talking dirty to a woman, calling her a slut and nutting on her face etc. frankly you morals are clouding your objectivity to the topic at hand.

furthermore, porn just has to do with nudity sooo....i've got a question for you. if your gf, or wife or w/e u wanna call it. sent you pictures of her naked, while say u guys were apart would u be disgusted? would u be willing to make a porn video with your hypothetical wife, or is that a defilement also?

HUBBY of DUBBY

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I for one believe sex is something so awesome and amazing that it is absolutely ludacris to defile and corrupt.

Hey, man, hate to break it to you, but after a while, it ain't that awe-inspiring. What I mean to say is -- sure, to start off with it's all new discoveries and sparkles, but like any other activity, sex becomes ordinary. It's ridiculous to glorify such a basic, everyday human need. That isn't to say that sex gets boring -- because if you do it right, it doesn't -- but it certainly doesn't retain that shiny newness, or that romantic idealism.

It's true that sex can be something precious with the one you love. But until you find such a person -- or after you find them and lose them, as often happens -- it isn't wrong to take care of your basic needs. Sex and pornography are part of that. Just fulfilling your needs. Nothing wrong with that!

In fact, even while you are in a relationship, you can use pornography to spice things up a little. Porn isn't necessarily something for single folks, nor is it something that's always "degrading" to one or both (or more!) parties. It's just a form of entertainment. So long as no real people are being harmed or coerced in the production of a porn film or manga, then it isn't degrading or dirty.

The idea of saving oneself is also ultimately futile. After all, I loved the food cooked by my favorite chef at my last hostel, but that didn't mean that after I moved out, I stopped eating food made by any other chef. You need to eat, so you eat. You need to have sex, so you have sex (or watch porn). It isn't a big deal. It can be a big deal while you're in a steady relationship, but otherwise, it's just taking care of business. After a long time in a stable relationship, it often becomes "taking care of business" anyway. Seriously. That spark, that passion? For some couples, it lasts longer than for others; but for all of them, that spark eventually fades. That doesn't mean that the love fades, though. Love's got nothing to do with it.

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Prnography destroys marriages, because that man or woman has filled his/her mind with delusions of satisfaction that aren't real.

Whoa, whoa. First of all, I can think of millions of other things that ruin marriages. Secondly, what's with the "delusions of satisfaction"? Life in itself is a complex web of delusions; that's how we survive. Is marriage itself -- or rather, the ideal of a long-lasting, perfectly happy marriage -- not a delusion of satisfaction? We thrive on delusions. That's what we human beings do. Be they delusions of financial satisfaction (a.k.a. career prospects), delusions of sexual satisfaction (a.k.a. bedroom fantasies), or delusions of romantic satisfaction (a.k.a. ridiculous ideas about soulmates) -- these are all delusions.

Should we stop hoping that our children will become future presidents, just because that's a delusion or a hope that isn't likely to be satisfied? Should we stop hoping to find the one person that's right for us, because that hope might also go unsatisfied?

Similarly, it's ridiculous to condemn people for entertaining sexual fantasies. Hey, a big reason we manage to survive life's drudgeries is because we have fantasies and delusions to comfort, inspire or entertain us. These fantasies could be professional ambitions, personal quests or sexual daydreams. Doesn't matter. They're all part of the human condition, and as such, are perfectly natural. People don't need to be condemned for what's in their heads.

Sure, if someone goes out there and actually tries to fulfill, say, a murderous delusion -- that's a problem. But as long as a thought remains a thought, people should be free to think whatever they want to, yeah? Isn't that the fun of being human, of being a thinking animal? We could hardly call ourselves moral or rational creatures if we didn't have immorality and irrationality to deal with. 😀

Pornography does encourage sexual fantasies, but as I've just said, that isn't a bad thing. Sex and sexual experimentation, as well as sexual imagination, are not morally incorrect in and of themselves. They can be morally incorrect if they're exercised at the expense of another person's well-being, but left to themselves, they're quite harmless.

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Lust knows no satisfaction, because it constantly is looking for the next sexual high. It fist starts off with a little bit of waking off to a couple of porn stars. Then suddenly it gets boring, how about lesbians?

Dude, I'm a lesbian, so please don't go mentioning my way of life as something straight people resort to when they get bored. I'm not bored at all, thank you very much. 😛

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There is a time and place for sex.

Damn right. Anytime, and any place.

Kidding, kidding. (Mostly.)

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I just have to ask why would you screw up that very special relationship with that very special someone b/c you couldn't hold out for them?

You're assuming that this special relationship will be the only one you have. Sure, we all hope for that, but reality often doesn't measure up. (Yet another delusion of satisfaction...) Many of us hope to settle down for the long haul, but it doesn't necessarily work out. Does that mean we've screwed (pardon the pun) every other chance at happiness, just because we've already slept with someone we cared about?

Hell, no! Lots of us have ex-boyfriends or ex-girlfriends or ex-wives or whatever, but we can still go on to have other long-lasting relationships. Nothing is ruined because of having had a previous sexual history. To think that way is just a) unrealistic and b) naive.

Almost every person in their twenties/thirties has had some sort of sexual history. It's not a question of "holding out" anymore -- it's just a question of getting on with the process of living.

Sorry for going on these long expostulations. Y'all must be getting bored of me... But don't go turning into lesbians, you hear! 😀

"They sicken of the calm, who knew the storm." - Dorothy Parker.

well said my futa comrade! 😀 😉

HUBBY of DUBBY

Well I definitely appreciate how reasonably you have assessed my comments, Thanks alot. You would be very surprised how many people with be rather quick with their words to call me a prune and a monk. So Thank you so much for taking my post seriously.

I think you may have taken what I said about defiling sex the wrong way. What I mean to say is that sex is something that is so intimate and so personal that it is wasted when it is used for simply used with the motivation of lust. The bible describes sex as the joining of 2 flesh into one. I find that to be especially relavent since sex is taken so lightly in this country. It seems the policy of having sex with multiple people is perfectly acceptable. I find this to be an absolute difilement and corruption of what sex is all about. I believe that its about the expression of love between two people on an incredibly intimate level. And that it is so much more meaningful when it is done by people who love each other so much that have decided to dedicate themselves to each other for the rest of their lives. Sex outside of marriage in my opinion is not very satisfying because you will always wonder is there something better out there. Is this the best I can do? What if I'm missing out on even better sex? Not to mention the obvious emotional ties that would be ripped apart if the relationship went down south after sex.

Although I am certainly not claiming pornography is the sole cause of the exceptionally high divorce rate in this country It would be ludacris to say it doesn't have an impact. You brought up alot of good points about the different causes of why divorce happens but that doesn't mean that pornography is silent. Although you may think that I maybe exagerrating the impact of pornography in peoples lives especially those in marriage all you need to do is look it up for yourself. If you honestly believe that pornography doesn't have devastating consequences to peoples lives, look up the millions of testimonials of people that have lived out those consequences.

And as per your suggestion to not look at porn, I'm way ahead of you. It was a battle that took me 2 yrs after 10 years worth of addiction. Yeah you better believe it felt like a living hell during that time and even now I fight the temptations, because I know about the crippling impact of porn on a persons life.

Yeah you brought up a very good point that while waiting for that special someone having a release once in a while is normal. But normal according to what standard. Society would have you believe that its perfectly healthy for a boy to jack off to pornography. It's unnatural for a boy to not look at girls in the nude. Do you believe the media you view whether that be porn or not, doesn't have an impact on you in some way? Do you believe that the society you grew up in: friends, family, school, country doesn't play apart in how you turn out? My point is that its very ignorant to say that you are a creation outside the influence of anything, and when you grow up in a country that believes sex is common place you can't help but believe it. Once again you are the best judge to determine if pornography is worth the risk of crippling your mind. I know that the effects of the past 10 yrs still haunt me, and my view of women is slowly being healed, praise the Lord.

There is a serious danger in pornography that I know lots of guys aren't aware of, and being the logical reasonable person that you seem to be I would look at this a bit more seriously. There are definitely many reasons to why the Bible is so careful of holding back sex until marriage.

[Edit]: I would just like to add that although I can give you alot of secular suggestions to what makes a good marriage, I truly believe that if you live with God in your hearts and live your life with him as #1 priority it will make a dramatic impact on your relationship with that special someone or any relationship in general. If you live your life with the egape (self-sacrificing and selfless love) love it can only enhance your relationships. The bible isn't a magic book its a book of common sense, and there really is a reason for everything that is written in it.

@pearlesque
I found one of you comments to be especially interesting. It is where you believe that sex is a necessity. Do think it is impossible for a man to go his whole life without sex? As rare as our society portrays that to be, it definitely happens. It could be for many reasons. How about some kind of genetic disorder, or some type of mutilation? What about a life of celibacy for the sake of broadening the kingdom of God? I'm sure there are a lot more reasons, but to assume that masturbation is a necessity is a falsehood. If you believe it is natural could you please provide proof why or how it is necessary for a human being to masturbate or have sex? Not to sound arrogant but why do you feel that it is necessary for you yourself to engage in such things. Is it because you believe it is just nature and your doing what humans do?

lol i wouldn't go so far as to call names. you sound somewhat like my dad (he is a chaplain).

in any case, watching porn does desensitize people to degradation and the like but only to the extent that that person lets it. as for waiting for that special someone. i know where you're coming from. trust me, but eventually you have to face reality. it's not common anymore to wait it out for someone. most people i know that haven't had sex just suck at trying to get laid. the others who are waiting, eventually give in to their bf/gf who doesn't want to wait. or say they will but ease the other person into a sticky situation.

having that special someone is a beautiful thing but....where are they? 'm not trying to be negative, just realistic. u may not find that special someone for 10 more years. frankly there is no reason to torture yourself over it. i have a saying with my friends that goes..."Just let it happen". take a risk or two. i think it is better to get burned and grow from that experience than to wait out in uncertainty with a void that may or may not be filled in the future to come. just make sure your partner gets checked, u can't trust people these days.

HUBBY of DUBBY

Why, thank you, Varna. I do try. 😀

You had some awesome arguments, too, my futa buddy!

As for Zubz313... Man, you're tiring me out. I'll come back later to make a few more points about how porn isn't necessarily the Big Bad Devourer of Souls, but right now I need some sleep.

Too much manga and too little rest makes Pearlesque an exhausted girl. She shall return to hypothesize another day. Adios.

"They sicken of the calm, who knew the storm." - Dorothy Parker.

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having that special someone is a beautiful thing but....where are they? 'm not trying to be negative, just realistic. u may not find that special someone for 10 more years. frankly there is no reason to torture yourself over it. i have a saying with my friends that goes..."Just let it happen". take a risk or two. i think it is better to get burned and grow from that experience than to wait out in uncertainty with a void that may or may not be filled in the future to come. just make sure your partner gets checked, u can't trust people these days.

Welcome to the life of those who have faith. I don't think its wise for me to go on a wild rant about God here, but thats really the reason. I believe in two things my friend when it comes to my dealings with God. Pray like everything is dependent on God and work like everything is dependent on you. God isn't going to simply hand you your special girl w/o some effort on your part. Worry about the things that you can do to make it happen and let God worry about the things that you can't do. The Bible although it is filled with lots of incredibly useful advice and promises it takes a great deal of faith to put those suggestions into practice.

[Edit] Proverbs 31:10 -12
Who can find a virtuous and capable wife?
She is more precious than rubies.
Her husband can trust her,
and she will greatly enrich his life.
She brings him good, not harm,
all the days of her life.

And as far as waiting for 10 years go, I think if it ever came down to waiting that long I think she would be worth it.

ehhh. again you are sounding like my dad sigh. but he would say something else that basically negates this.

you said faith and mentioned having to do your own part. that is a given when it comes to relationships. everyone hold on to that hope of "true love" w/e it may be along with that special someone. the thing about this reliance on God has to do with his so called answers. who says it is in God's plan for you to find a special someone? i think it is a misconception that God will answer everything with how one sees fit. along those lines. Who says that this special someone is of the opposite sex? In the case that your special someone is of the same sex. that goes against the bible and your morals does it not? what would you do then? take heed that there are those in this forum who are not set on man and woman relationships being the only possible way.

i'm gonna have to second what pearl said. you are tiring me out. i'm gonna get some sleep. its past 3am for me and i have been up all day. i'll respond to w/e u say next some other time

HUBBY of DUBBY

You right, I certainly don't claim to know what God's plans are for you, but I do know that you are never going to find out what they are if sit around all day and do nothing. Although what you are saying is right, faith is more than just you asking for stuff and God either saying yes or no. But that is beyond the scope of this topic.

And as for God setting you up, with someone of the same sex. I almost find that laughable. Forgive me, but its just so clear, beyond the shadow of a doubt that God is against the act of homosexuality, and sexual depravity in general. God created a man and woman to have sex to produce children that bear his image (before anyone gets confused this is not the only reason for existence). I just ask what is the point of same sex couples, how does God get glory when two people of the same sex go at it. Don't get me wrong, and certainly don't mistake God's intentions. God hates the sin not the sinner.

But more to the scope of this topic, I can't force you to do anything. You have the ability to make any decision you want. But don't be ignorant there are consequences for every choice we make. Whether that be to shop at a different store than we usually do or deciding what college we are going to apply to. And the people we are now are the result of the choices we each have made in our lives. Just the same there are consequences to the media we expose ourselves to and from personal experience the consequences are simply not worth it.

eh. according to your beliefs, God created man and the female counterpart was created afterwards for companionship. who says that a male cannot fill that role? there are many females who think like men and are actually more masculine that men themselves. does that make her a man though? no. technicality says it has to do with genitalia. a word to segregate a difference. not saying i am for men humping men , but just because they aren't opposite sex doesn't mean they can't have a relationship. this is a bias that is seen through the eyes of the public. same sex couples can and do have just as deep a relationship as any hetero couple.

you say how does god get glory for same sex actions. who says he gets glory for hetero relationships? he likes watching doesn't he? maybe he is a closet perv. you should ask him. he may say something in revelations. excuse my being "ignorant" since i don't understand there being a consequence when people make choices regarding who they love.

didn't like that last paragraph did ya? ya, i am a bit pissed. quite frankly this has all reached a new annoyance level.

Consequence...lmao. do you even know what the word means? the way you refer to the word displays a negative outlook- of course that is usually how it it used. my white teeth are a consequence of brushing them. oh..didn't see that coming did you? so that "choice" i made of brushing my teeth....was it a bad one? no. my choice to watch porn on occasion...is that a bad choice? i'm pretty sure you can't answer that question objectively. your answer will either state that it is wrong because of your morals based off of God. The other answer to that question has to do with people who can't cope with seeing porn as entertainment. frankly that doesn't count either. those people have instabilities and bluntly put hold no significance to the equations.

yawn how about i get more negative. I'm sure you would agree porn has to do with pleasure. so lets related something else to the topic at hand. boxing matches. the people beat the hell out of each other. causing pain. the receive pain and at the same time are pleased when beating the hell out of the opponent. boxing is seen as a sport. a form of entertainment. so is boxing wrong?

in this instance you have to say yes. why? cause boxing can lead people down the wrong path right? some will get more violent etc. The bible is against harming people for pleasure, correct? "turn the other cheek" right. this goes hand in hand with your morals also. which is better, watching people injury each other or watching people pleasing each other while not being married(which is usually but not always the case in porn)? frankly buddy you can't pick one over the other according to your morals. otherwise it is a bit hypocritical.

on to a calmer approach. "God's plans" can also be seen as fate etc etc etcccccccccc. frankly if God doesn't directly make one do something...wow. no way. that would mean that....woa. i can't believe i just realized that what i do has nothing to do with God. really? no way. can you believe that? Golly gee Sherlocke.

if you didn't catch that i will put it in black and white. God's plans is a term used by religious people to placate their insecurity of the future. he is seen as someone who knows the future but doesn't alter it. why.. because as you said, we make our own choices. NOT GOD. Him altering out actions pretty much goes against us having our own will and "faith" in him.

i was just in an accident 2 weeks ago. van flipped etc. "Faith" didn't save the nonbeliever that should have flown through the front windshield. you know what did? my back that he flew into.

in the case that you die in an accident tomorrow, you should know ahead of time that it isn't God's plan. it is LIFE. REALITY. i'm not saying for you to stop believing but really dude, stop bringing GOD into every aspect of life. that shi* gets old. stop trying to find fault with everything non religious or against your moralistic POV

now that i have calmed down a bit. i will say that i am somewhat sorry for being an as*hole

HUBBY of DUBBY

Wow. Sorry man, I certainly didn't expect to get such an aggravated reply from you. My point in bringing up consequences wasn't to patronize you or make you look stupid. My point was simply that it is common sense. We both agree that there are consequences to everything. All I was saying was that the consequence for me and millions of other men who fell into pornography was a horribly crippling experience. I certainly am not stopping you from watching porn. I'm warning you from one fellow guy to another that there isn't anything satisfying in this media and in fact it breaks you down and cripples you. Lord knows if I can only go back 12 yrs ago and stop myself from picking up that magazine I would. I don't want to ruin your fun or take away what experience you have with this media but please I hope you will atleast consider looking at the facts and the millions of testimonials that confirm what I'm trying to say. I would save you from this terrible experience if I could, but in the end you can choice to ignore what I'm saying as Christian propaganda and go on living your life.

Yeah I take the idea of marriage and sex very seriously because it has impacted me on such a real level. Marriage is a sacred covenant made between a man and woman in front of God. Marriage represents a love so powerful that it is one of the ways God shows how much he loved us. The man in the marriage loves his wife to the point that he would sacrifice himself for her. It is a covenant taken so seriously that when marriage dissolves its reprecrussions are enormous. You don't need to take my word for how devastating divorce is you can find it all over the place, It parallels God's self sacrificing love for his bride the church who he loves so much.

But on very minute technical level Marriage really is only reserved for a man and woman by definition in the book of genesis. On a very secular level men weren't designed to have sex with other men. I point you to the large amounts of aids victims that are gay. Men were designed to have sex with one women not multiple partners once again the idea of STD's arrises but also the emotional pain that comes with such a powerful act as sex. It is definitely meaningful to me and I would hope that it would be meaningful to my partner, and not simply taken as lightly as a handshake or a hug.

I'm saying that homosexuality has some very negative consequences that God would rather spare us from, same with the idea of having sex before marriage. Homosexuality is a sin like any other sin, whether that be telling a lie, or looking at a girl lustfully. But my point in saying this is not to be prejudice but because I would rather not sit by and see a lot of people repeat mistakes and relive horrible experiences that could have been avoided with a bit more self control. Humans were designed for certain things, and when humans try to do other things beyond their intended make up we see all kinds of travesties.

God really is a big part of my life. The idea of accepting Christ isn't simply to go to church every Sunday. It is far more personal than that. You tell God my ways aren't working and your ways are so much better. You designed me and you know what will satisfy me, and I hope to live a life that will show you how grateful i am for the sacrifice and love you have given to me. It's about living a life of self control instead of giving into emotions, it's about using reason and logic instead full blown feelings, its about replacing thoughts about yourself with thoughts about others. Yeah and right now what consumes me is thought of seeing another guy walk down a self destructive path.

My friend, I am very sorry for upsetting you. But you got to hear this. There are some real consequences to porn and I would save you from them. Don't make the same mistakes I did, there really is a much better way. It's not easy but if you are willing it will save you alot of trouble down the road.

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And as per your suggestion to not look at porn, I'm way ahead of you. It was a battle that took me 2 yrs after 10 years worth of addiction. Yeah you better believe it felt like a living hell during that time and even now I fight the temptations, because I know about the crippling impact of porn on a persons life.

You know...not everyone who looks at porn will become addicted to it. I'm aware that it's a serious problem for some people, but that doesn't make it something horrible that is going to take over the life of everyone who looks at it.

Though I have no interest in looking at it myself, I don't personally think that porn is bad, as long as it's consenting adults etc. who participate with full knowledge of what they're doing.

"[English] not only borrows words from other languages; it has on occasion chased other languages down dark alley-ways, clubbed them unconscious and rifled their pockets for new vocabulary."
-James Nicoll, can.general, March 21, 1992

Jajaja... A good old fight of an Unbeliver and a Follower of God (wishever god it may be, Jeova, Jesus, 'God', Ala, Budda, a shintoist Kami, Shiva or even some other one).
Well, I have to say a little thing to, first:

Varna, if you are upset, try not to say blasfame, god haven`t done anything to you (as you said or believe) so dont speeck bad of someone or something that seems you dont fully understand (and lets make it clear to not anger you, I quite dont understand it either, jeje, but its better to have an open mind than a closed hand) Who said things that didnt like you was Zubz313, not God.
Did I make myself clear? je.

Second, dont put obviously dumb examples as "porn or violence, chose" Its a bit lame if you think with calm hao you put your point. There are hundreds of other options other than porn or violence and she dosnt have two chose out of the two.

Now... Lets see. Someone said that love can apear in and from the same sex, as you said before my friend, it is caled Libid. But nature already will tell you and answer and its up to you if you or anyone take it or not. "Its wrong"...
Out of religious or Philosophy, its quite simple why. ¿Will a Baby be born of to men alone o to women alone? Answer: No. Nature is direct in its ways of say thing so dont get mad at me, ¿ok? (o yeah, and if anyone of you believe "kids arent important or I dont care" its ok, I have a gay friend and he is happy as he is now but is undeniable that its not natural and nothing will born or prevail of it after their on dead).

And now I will play as the lawyer of devil:

Porn is bad?, answer: No. Its not so simple, see it will not turn you bad, or transform you into a moster, but it is true that it is adictive. The problem, as ever is that people of weak soul and mind who become crazy for sex, pleasure and vice, at the point that will do anything for it, and that is bad, rapist are just an example.
Life is not about sex all the time, not all about pleasure. Its about equilibrium, if you cannot find and equilibrium betwen what you desire and what you must do. You will crumble and fall. As example:

Roman Empire tought that pleasure and edonism was the way fo the life. Sex, alcohol, infidelity, violence, dead, everithing in the name of pleasure... Well ¿were are they now? Dead. Soo. Sex must not be seen just as a good sport or a pleasure toll. Sex is something that must be done with the one you love, into mutual trust and understanding (Im not saying "Get married") or you risk to find your own dead... Someday you may find yourself at the side of a killer and yourself at a corpose in the most extreme of the examples, or an even simpler example, Sexual deseases. Nature again say it clear and loud, sex is not a toy, if you use 'it' to much, you may 'lose it' and your life is in play too. And again I will be clear, condons dont cut it all, oral sex is dangerous to. Or you have never heard of Sifilis? That thing is Nasty, believe me, I study medicine.

Cristians believe in divine Justice and the will of God, but they follow men who should speak in the name of God, and by God countless inocents have died betwen the gilty. Its because of their arrogance that they close their eyes to wat it is, and impose their vision of what it must be. In the end their own "holiness" was to much and cristianism divides in many new religions, Each one claming to be the only one with salvation. Sex is not a sin, just remember to do it with someone you love for love, its not a game.

Now I wait to see what you say, jeje. 🤣

And now about the real question of the topic. "Both" they are good in one way and another one. For example, I cant take violence to a girl, even if its acted, so that is it for hentai, but even then I cant see to much more violence to girls either, it makes my sick. (The japaneses are bad in the head, I tell you, and the USA pornography is not so far away).

I point you to the large amounts of aids victims that are gay

yawn

that is pretty ignorant. yo obviously don't know about stds. just cause you are gay doesn't mean you have a higher chance of getting it. AIDS is given secually via mucous membranes in the rectum, secretions via vagina/semen containing it and of course just plain old blood. don't bring a personal biased views in with diseases that have to do with safe sex practices. you have to get it from somewhere. a gay man can give it to a gay man just like he can give it to any woman and vice versa. and don't you dare try to say it originated from gay practices.

on the topic of marriage, lets agree here for a moment that it is biblical. you ever hear of "separation of church and state"? its a great concept that doesn't enforce any type of religion. the fact is the bible has some values that are used as a basis for laws in countries and the like. marriage is something that was seen as a positive process also. but again as i said. this is something that was incorporated into the state which does not enforce or support any type of religion. which means what?
it means marriage is open for all regardless of hetero or homo-sexuality. it will eventually be something that is agreed upon in every state here in america. there are no special negative side effects that only occur for people in homosexual relationships. it is about time you understood that. the people who have a problem with this are those who are stuck on their high horse supported by the bible.

i'll bring my comments on this subject to an end with this..... there is no real reason to look at homosexuality as negative. as for porn having an impact, it all has to do with the person. people become addicted to all types of things. there is no reason to assume that it is bad. the person is the one with the problem.

furthermore.......
sry, i am not gonna blame porn or anything else for bad decisions that i make. frankly that shows a childish concept of responsibility. i'm not trying to piss you off bro, but it is about time you owned up. it is not porn's fault for what happned in the past and your guilt. it is YOUR fault. porn was something that YOU couldn't handle. the way i see it is you are escaping from that truth by using religion as a shoulder to lean on. it is good that you found your crutch to support you but, the reality is there is no one to blame but yourself for the things that happen(ed).

anywho i am leaving this at that. i am pretty sure i got my POV accross.

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@ gaspardrow.

i think you misunderstood where i was coming from. blasphemy? lol. yeah i did that on purpose. don't fully understand? lmao. what is not to understand? i'm lost as to where you are coming from.
the whole point of what i have been saying is that. the biblical morals that are being stressed are to biased on subjects. bringing in God to every conversations is fine and dandy, but do it with other believers. there is no point to come in and say that something is bad just because A RELIGION COUGH PERSONAL BELIEFS * COUGH* feels one way.

frankly the statement that something is bad goes against logic. and if you read you will see that i am coming from a objective point of view. if something is "wrong" prove it. it is as simple as that. there is nothing WRONG with porn. people just react to it differently. just like there is nothing WRONG with a knife. but it can still cause someone to die. you say don't put obviously "dumb" examples. how is that dumb? i'll be an asshole and state that dumb has to do with being mute. ha! lol. my examples get the point across correctly. show me otherwise and i'll shut up.

gays are unnatural eh? ok and? that doesn't mean it is wrong. you have no right to say it is. you don't agree with it and thus say it is wrong. that is illogical and "lame". you said "libid". i assume you meant libido. i am guessing english is an extra language for you considering the paragraphs.
to go along the lines of "libido" something YOU brought up....libido has to do with sexual desires. a man can hump a woman in the anus just as well as he can hump a man. what i am getting across is that you guys are implying that a connection in a relationship is only true for heterosexual couples, and that homosexuals are unnatural because of having the same genitals. for some people the connection comes first and the gender next. stop being biased. it's quite unsightly.

for the record i never said i believe in god or don't believe in god. i stand in the middle. skeptical of both sides. don't try to categorize me as an unbeliever because i don't rely on the bible for my POV.
oh yeah.FYI i am not gay and don't have many gay friends. i am just stating this since i don't agree with discrimination of those with different sexual preferences.

HUBBY of DUBBY

Once again my friend I apologize, for upsetting you. You are absolutely right my mistakes are my own responsibility. I have never said otherwise. Like I mentioned in a previous post we are the results of our decisions in life. Big or small they make a huge impact. Yeah the torture that I went through was by my own hands, quite literally, but I have come to terms with it and slowly and maturely being built back up. My point in bringing up aids and homosexuals is not out of ignorance, since the majority of cases especially in this country is transferred anally. And men weren't designed to take that kind of penetration, it's no coincidence. Aids is simply one of the possible consequences for homosexuality, and I'm sorry if I have led you to believe otherwise. But this conversation is getting out of hand, and is headed down south. The point of this topic is lost and there is nothing to gain. I only wanted to give you a friendly warning "to not play with fire." I hope you don't misinterpret this as an attack on you. I don't want you to be my enemy, but if this conversation is going to make us bitter towards each other, let's do right thing here and cut it off before it turns into something much worse. Sorry for the bitterness that came out of this discussion, thats all I can say.