Lying can sometimes be justified I suppose. I seperate it by intentions. If your reason for lying is to get away with something or hurt someone than it's wrong but if you are trying to avoid hurting someone than it could be justified depending on the situation.

You just want to make sure if you lie not to hurt someone that they don't find out you did it or they may be more hurt than if you hadn't lied in the first place.

Personally I'd prefer if people just told me the truth straight off regardless of how it hurt. I'm not afraid of bluntness.

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I am usually honest and blunt however sometimes lying is a necessity. It really depends on the situation. I like be honest with people so that they know where I stand with certain things.

The only difference I make is between good lies and bad lies .
The good lie is the one you can't suspect , the bad one is bound to be disclosed . I only resent the ones that want to lie and are totally unable to .
But most of the time and most of the people lie because it makes the world easier , so it's not an offence in itself .You lie because you don't want to disappoint your wife , your mother , your boyfriend . You lie because you don't want to worrie someone with another problem you think you will settle eventually .You lie because it makes everybody more comfortable with the situation. Why would you chastise someone who wanted to make things easier ? Truth is only worthy because it's 100% solid so if lies can be as solid then it's as good as truth . It becomes wrong when you're unable to back the world you've created . When you've given a vision to someone and that it will eventuallly backfire. I don't blame lies , I blame failures that makes things worse . When you trie to lie while it's obviously a dead end then it's a wrong deed . When you trie to lie while you're unable to then it's also a wrong deed . When you trie to lie just for hurting others peoples it's a wrong deed.
That's why good lies abides by 3 rules : Uncheckable , Likely , eventually totally merges with the truth .

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I only resent the ones that want to lie and are totally unable to .

Bravo!

I feel is someone can actually lie to me without me finding out then they should be congratulated, and if they can do it about something I care about, or in the spur of the moment, then they deserve both my respect and admiration. Frankly I think the act of lying isn't really bad in any way, if someone manipulates people and does generally bad things with lies then they're a jerk, but what makes them a jerk isn't the fact they lie but what they are actually doing with the lies. Hell I know one guy who is extremely nice and well intentioned, but he lies more than anyone I've ever met before. Does that make him a bad person? Hell no, his lies have never hurt anyone, and frankly sometimes its fun as hell to try and figure out what he says is true and what is false (hes pretty damn good, if he didn't do it so often I would have almost no clue (that and he told me after I knew him for all of 2 or so weeks)). The only thing I can't stand is someone who tries to lie to me, and I can tell within 5 seconds, because frankly thats just downright offensive (to be honest if I find out at all, thats usually pretty sad for the most part).

That's why good lies abides by 3 rules : Uncheckable , Likely , eventually totally merges with the truth

Oh and I do agree with your points, but I find the BIGGEST thing to expose a liar to me is definitely the delivery. I don't know what it is, but I can usually pull apart a near seamless lie because my gut just tells me that what the person is saying isn't true.

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Telling the truth always is impossible and naieve. ._.

nothing is impossible. im not naive, i just believe its possible if you have nothing to hide or dont fear the consequences. its not difficult to tell ppl the truth, its just human nature to avoid confrontations and lying is just a means to it.

I rarely lie out loud, but if I do, it's only when I know the truth will hurt someone.

Though lies hurt, sometimes the truth hurts more. That and, one's feelings towards another or on something may change over time. It's best to try to draw on positive feelings than negative.

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Depends what the situation is but I mostly tell the truth. I mean even if the truth hurts it sould stiil be known

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I only lie to myself 😔

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Depends what the situation is but I mostly tell the truth. I mean even if the truth hurts it sould stiil be known

quite simplistic....
what use is the truth if it doen't make any good ? the value of the truth lies in the fact that it seems like the only thing you can really build on .
How can you create a long term relationship with someone you can't trust ? how can you run a business if everything your partner is telling is bullshit and that your prevision are founded on false datas that result in inaccurate forecast ?
Just imagine your ear , eyes , etc... and all other organs of perception give you wrong data . You wouldn't survive long because it would lead you to wrong decision.Unadapted behiavor . This is what the truth is about .
So if the lie result in a better outcome , a trusty outcome , not something bound to be disclosed and endangering everything that has been built on , then lie is better than truth.

Crusader of truth only make people unhappy and destroy everything. They don't even know why they care so much about the truth.

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Depends what the situation is but I mostly tell the truth. I mean even if the truth hurts it sould stiil be known

quite simplistic....
what use is the truth if it doen't make any good ? the value of the truth lies in the fact that it seems like the only thing you can really build on .
How can you create a long term relationship with someone you can't trust ? how can you run a business if everything your partner is telling is bullshit and that your prevision are founded on false datas that result in inaccurate forecast ?
Just imagine your ear , eyes , etc... and all other organs of perception give you wrong data . You wouldn't survive long because it would lead you to wrong decision.Unadapted behiavor . This is what the truth is about .
So if the lie result in a better outcome , a trusty outcome , not something bound to be disclosed and endangering everything that has been built on , then lie is better than truth.

Crusader of truth only make people unhappy and destroy everything. They don't even know why they care so much about the truth.

Are you a philosopher or something, I mean Plato would be ashamed even he couldnt do it this good!!

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i'm going with other.... lying is just so convenient, i usually lie to evade any troublesome situation, sometimes even i end up believing my own lies...

"Truth is never pure and rarely simple". What is truth for you, may be a lie for me and vice-versa. So, yes, I do lie. whether it is justified or not, well, that depends on your point of view.

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and something more for those truth purist to think, an example my ethics teacher used in class, imagine that there is a murderer chasing someone, that person knock at your door and ask for you to hide her, you do, and then the murderer knocks asking if you saw his victim, would you keep to the truth and say "of course, she's hiding here in my house"? or would you lie and save a life? 😕

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and something more for those truth purist to think, an example my ethics teacher used in class, imagine that there is a murderer chasing someone, that person knock at your door and ask for you to hide her, you do, and then the murderer knocks asking if you saw his victim, would you keep to the truth and say "of course, she's hiding here in my house"? or would you lie and save a life? 😕

Great example, of course you would Lie

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Telling the truth always is impossible and naieve. ._.

nothing is impossible.

Pfft, okay then. Let me see you fly. xD

im not naive, i just believe its possible if you have nothing to hide or dont fear the consequences.

Yes, you are naieve then, and actually quite selfish to boot too. =O

So you're saying that hurting someone by telling the truth is justified? Don't be ridiculous. First of all, what is truth? The truth is different to each person.

And actually a lie could be seen as a gift or act of mercy in some cases. I don't see why a "lie" has this much negative connotation.

You could compare "Truth & Lie", also with "Good & Evil" or "Black & White". But the truth is that between the colors "Black & White" are also all different kinds of shades of Grey.

Just like "Evil" can be good, and "Good" can be evil. A "Lie" may be the "Truth", while the "Truth" is a "Lie". ... Oh boy~, I even confuse myself. @_@

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