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@jr: The funny thing is that there really isn't an argument against it in the Geass mythology. It's not like you're the only person who thinks he's dead- there are tons of people, yet the only even remotely coherent argument I've seen against it is that Nunnally has some sort of magical power to "see into people's souls and read their thoughts", which is really just as absurd as it sounds (not to mention that there's another rational explanation for her "lie detector" ability). Unless Taniguchi or Okouchi explicitly says that something else happened or that Lelouch is dead (which you can bet that they won't) you're probably never going to have something to oppose it. However, he's not explicitly stated to be alive either, so even if the facts are against you, you're entitled to be able to interpret any ending you want.

And for the record- things really aren't just "put in to be a huge anomaly" unless they have an additional rational explanation. Obviously this was intentional, since it was in the script.

i'll take your word for that since you did bring up the lie detector ability of hers. so it could fit in with that. but there was never any thorough explanation on that either. so i guess if that was brought to the table in discussion, there wouldn't be much to back up the theory. but then again i say it's an anomaly because some scripts have that put in just for the sake of getting fans to discuss the series in further lengths after it's end. 🤣 but as we were discussing on the vision Nunnally saw. has anyone ever thought maybe it might be just a misinterpretation? like perhaps it was just Lelouch having a flashback on all the events that lead him to where he was or something? it does fit in with that saying of peoples lives flashing before their eyes upon death.

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Eh, no?

Iirc, Lelouch's life didn't flash by him.
Only the moment after he killed his parents,
and when he discussed his plan with Suzaku.

If there's anything true in media(well, intelligent media)
then there's that's everything is being put for a reason.

They don't decide to just make 50 frames with no point at all. 🤨

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Eh, no?

Iirc, Lelouch's life didn't flash by him.
Only the moment after he killed his parents,
and when he discussed his plan with Suzaku.

If there's anything true in media(well, intelligent media)
then there's that's everything is being put for a reason.

They don't decide to just make 50 frames with no point at all. 🤨

i think they do make things like that even in intelligent media if it's for the sake of keeping everyone discussing it for a very long time.

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The purpose of it is debatable, which is why I tried to avoid using it as an argument. It really comes down to how much faith you put into Okouchi's writing.

Lelouch's life flashed before his eyes earlier, before he fell down the ramp. It's definitely Nunnally processing it because after she sees it her expression changes and she says "so that's what you were doing..." (or something like that.) That much virtually everyone seems to agree on, even the people who think he died. Plus, there's a noise that occurs there that's not in the actual soundtrack version (I checked myself because I was curious), people have largely been insisting that it's a geass noise, but from an honest standpoint it's not totally possible to discern. It vaguely sounds like it, but there are also all these shock, dying, and sobbing noises, so...

As to the lie detector thing, there doesn't really need to be an explanation. When people lie they become more stressed, and as a result their pulse rate mildly increases, in addition to the speed of blood flow (I didn't take a ton of physiology, so forgive me if I'm using terms incorrectly here, but you should get the gist). It was proven in season 1 that her other senses have increased (able to tell that people are there well before they walk through doors, etc.) so it's really not much of a logical stress to assume she can notice the change in pulse rate/temperature. Saying that she can "see into people's memories" makes a lot less sense that something that has a rational explanation. Occam's razor and all that.

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But that's a bit of a simple-minded reason.

Sure, they want their anime to be memorable.
But I'm sure that they had different reasons.

Tanaguchi just wanted to have an open ending.
He's quite known(?) for that. I've never seen
Evangelion, but seems he did that there too.

Or maybe I'm just mistaken.

It's not that he chose for such an ending with the intention to create discussion even months after CG ended. It was because CG had a good/satisfying ending which made the viewers discuss it.

Edit: Wait, it's some Okouchi guy now? 😛

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Hedeaki Anno did Evangelion. Taniguchi did Infinite Ryvius, S-cry-ed, Planetes, etc.

Taniguchi is the director/storyboard guy, Okouchi is the writer.

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Saying that she can "see into people's memories" makes a lot less sense that something that has a rational explanation.

Especially if you factor in that she had to ask the question first before determining if it was a lie...If she could really read memories, it wouldn't have been necessary just like Mao

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But that's a bit of a simple-minded reason.

Sure, they want their anime to be memorable.
But I'm sure that they had different reasons.

Tanaguchi just wanted to have an open ending.
He's quite known(?) for that. I've never seen
Evangelion, but seems he did that there too.

Or maybe I'm just mistaken.

It's not that he chose for such an ending with the intention to create discussion even months after CG ended. It was because CG had a good/satisfying ending which made the viewers discuss it.

Edit: Wait, it's some Okouchi guy now? 😛

but the purpose of an open ending is to make people discuss it after it has long ended, simply cause of how people are willing to interpret it. i mean look at how huge the thought of his death has spurred people on into believing he's living the Spice & Wolf life. 😛

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Actually, since the evidence still points the other direction, wouldn't it be that the sheer epicness of his "death" is causing people to believe he died? 😮 . But yeah, it is an interpretive ending, so regardless of which way the evidence does point, nothing was stated explicitly, and as a result you can believe whatever the hell you want. I'm choosing to believe that Orange only adopted Anya >:[.

@Doc: Yeah, you should really check. Anno is like a god, he wouldn't have messed up season 2 like that 😉 .

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lol get so complicated now. i bet the directors and them are laughing their butts off at the world trying so hard to figure this out.

lol i might as well contribute then. not gonna try and repeat what's been said but looking at lelouch's personality, he's one who make sure he has an escape route (usually). and since the possibility of getting a code and surviving exists (his geass evolved to the point he can be an heir to the code), why wouldn't he take it?

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Yeah, Lelouch doesn't really have the martyr personality. 😛

'Specially after that whole speech he
gave to C.C. about living and dieing.

It would be silly to just let himself killed
off, while he smiled to C.C. in episode 24(?)
saying that he'll keep her promise.

Or he said something in that nature, that is.

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[quote=Crenshinibon]I'm choosing to believe that Orange only adopted Anya >:[.
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lol i find it kind of hard to deny that claim. since he did look like he was looking to save her in that fight after she told him about her memories.

@doc: i understand him saying that to C.C but if that was the reason he lived on wouldn't that severely displease those pairings fans? it completely alienates one side. i don't think the people behind the series are willing to do that to the fans. (even if those types can be rabid and crazy over pairings. 🤢 🤣 )

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lol i find it kind of hard to deny that claim. since he did look like he was looking to save her in that fight after she told him about her memories.

Adopted vs. wife, is the general argument >_>. I like to think adopted.

And regardless of whether or not he's alive, CC won the pairing war, since she has access to the World of C (in the same way Charles did to Clovis).

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Adopted vs. wife, is the general argument >_>. I like to think adopted.

And regardless of whether or not he's alive, CC won the pairing war, since she has access to the World of C (in the same way Charles did to Clovis).

lol i think it fits better that he adopted her as opposed to marriage. i don't think Jeremiah has underage marriage under his belt. he may be a lot of things and he may just as much to, but i doubt that's one of them. 😛
i'm not really into the pairing war. but i don't think Kallen fans are going to accept something like that whether he's alive or not. i think they'd rather he be dead period if that were the case actually. 🤣

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