No I'm not...? I know a lot of Bernie Bros threatened to vote for Trump, and some either fulfilled their promise or voted third party or stayed home. My point was that a final vote for Trump = a vote for a bigot supported by the KKK. And as I made in a previous post, the "anti-establishment" motivation isn't an excuse, he chose Mike Pence as his running mate, and a slew of odious, establishment-entrenched Republicans are in the running for his cabinet positions. So much for draining out the muck of Washington's swamp, he only did so to find the gnarliest of the alligators and hand pick them for the shady zoo our country's about to become.

When I expressed my consternation over the support Trump had over Sanders, I was referring to the whole election process, specifically the primaries. Trump drew far more people to the polls during the primaries than Sanders. Clinton won the majority of the Democratic vote in swing states of Florida and Ohio, and also won Pennsylvania, Arizona, and the Carolinas, states that people hoped would turn/ stay blue. In all of the states I've mentioned, Trump managed to entice more people to vote for him during the primaries than Sanders, even though he was running against more than 3x the amount of candidates in his own party.



It's futile to linger on what-ifs, but there are multiple facts that go against your argument. I also live in Texas. We talked a lot about the election in my speech class, and I had to sit through an 8 min+ presentation by a student who honestly thought Bernie Sanders would be the world's next Stalin. As he walked through the rows to sit back down, people whispered what a great job he did.

Many working class people in America really, really don't like socialism, and are suspicious of the "democratic socialism" Sanders espoused. A single election alone would not have been enough time to change their views on a whole political ideology.

And, well, you can see for yourself the kinds of numbers Sanders was able to bring to the polls in those oh-so-crucial swing states compared to Trump from the onset.



Please, let's get into that. It's another reason for my suspicions that, in the end, those who cast their ballot for Trump did so because they had hate in their hearts that resonated with his, a fear that the America concerned with protecting their social privilege was on the decline. Not all of them, but a considerable number, particularly the ones who, I feel I must reiterate, flocked to vote for Trump in numbers far exceeding Bernie's supporters during the primaries.



Again, I was referring to the Deplorables as the one who made such attacks who, as I mentioned in my original post, "constituted a considerable portion of his vote". I don't condone violence unless it's in self-defense, and I agree that launching assaults on people who admit they voted for Trump doesn't help. Please don't use me as your effigy for venting out your frustrations with Clinton supporters who can't muster the compassion or energy to look kindly upon people who voted for a man that poses as a serious threat to the civil rights of themselves or their loved ones.

*EDIT: messed up my links. Should work now.

Who knows who put these up but having Trump related Swastikas on the anniversary of the Kristallnacht is an ominous sign to say the least.

http://www.jta.org/2016/11/10/news-opinion/united-states/trump -themed-swastika-graffiti-found-in-upstate-new-york

About this "social justice" is a bad thing (thx. Gamergate, you failed misogyny movement):
Siting on tumber all day and doing nothing in the end is pointless, especially if you troll others yourself, but dragging Gandhi, Martin Luther King, the Suffragette women (these 1st wave feminists gained women the right to vote!) or Jesus (if you believe in him) though the mud is worse and less intellectual than supporting Trump. You mental neanderthals are the true victims...

My country had a female leader since 2005 and she is currently serving her 3rd term.
We tend to be in top positions in best places to live lists. Especially regarding equality.
Cough i am not white and ended up with a government job and a free college education i am currently enjoying. Her open borders policy isn´t quite working (i mostly support it) and she is now mocked as a failing Mother Teresa. That is kind of amazing and i somewhat stared to respect her, despite never voting for her. We also don´t have a 2 party system, despite having 2 "big" parties, as even they need to form coalitions.
Hillary is only half the woman Merkel is and she wasn´t the best of choices but you wouldn´t see me posting Nazi symbols now! I don´t think that the US would be going though such a international PR disaster if she won and we would have gotten another poll too.

Hold on. Now you are putting words in my mouth... I never said why I laughed and why I think the next four years will be exciting. You are just assuming, just like you are assuming things will be bad under Trumps presidency.

Racism is still the same as it always has been. I've been called a nigger and heard other black kids like myself being called the same when I use to live in a area dominated by whites. I've experienced racism pretty much all my life but I still believe in people. It's just now people are pointing it out more and saying it's Trumps fault.

What I believe right now is that nothing, you or the so called Trump supporters, believe will happen, won't happen. Yes, I would have preferred Hillary but we got Trump. If it does happen, and I don't like it, then I join the protest to get him out of office. What people are doing now is just making Hillary supporters look bad. They are literately burning the streets and destroying peoples personal belongings. How is anyone suppose to see what Trump supporters are doing when Hillary's supporters are in the limelight being stupid? Hillary supporters even fabricated a crime against a gay man done by supposed Trump supporters. Like seriously...?

Oh and the reason I laughed when he won. All those states that filled up red? All those white women and men voting for him. Showed a lot. People think America is this great place and that the BLM movement was just black people believing something that wasn't true. Black people and apologetic whites were the only ones thinking that racism still exist even though the evidence is in front of everyone.

Oh and a lot of black people are racist also but the excuse for that is because we went through a lot in our past. Can't fight hate with more hate. Just makes thing worst.

I will and always believe Bernie would have won, had the DNC not chosen Hillary instead. Hope so? How can I hope for something that can't happen now? That hope was already crushed. The polls still showed that Hillary got more votes but just not in each individual state. She still was more popular than Trump. A lot of young voters just refused to vote for her and voted third party instead. All those votes were votes that would have been for Bernie. Have you not heard them screaming that if you like Bernie vote for Jill? They kept saying she wanted what Bernie wanted. And a bunch of people wrote in Bernie's name as well.


Anyway, the US is in for some changes. What type of changes that will occur is the exciting part.

I think Pence will have the same amount of power whether he's president or not. Trump already hinted that he's leaving a lot of things up to Pence since he isn't a politician.

And I really don't see a difference between Trump's ideas and Pence's. Pence is scarier only because he knows how to actually enact them. They're equally horrific people, in my opinion, and I'd really rather prepare for the fallout rather than simply hope that he turns out to be better than I imagined. I'm a pessimist so that when things go bad, I won't be caught unaware, and if things go well, I can be pleasantly surprised.

(I can't believe I'm saying this, but... I wish Kasich had taken up Trump's offer of the VP position. Kasich is at least a moderate, and a populist who believes in state's rights first and foremost. Pence is... indescribably frightening.)

And while I can understand what folks are saying are a "cycle of hatred," I'm not going to blame folks for the ways in which they're expressing their (very valid) anger and pain. At the risk of falling into the No True Scotsman fallacy, I have to say that, from what I can tell, most Trump protestors are attempting explicitly peaceful protests. There are riots, sure, but they seem to be more the exception rather than the rule. (And as someone who has participated in a few protests herself, I've seen how non-protestors have taken advantage of protests to start things up and steal, so I'm liable to give these folks the benefit of the doubt.)

Also, as someone else has mentioned, the anger directed at Trump and his supporters is no way comparable to hate crimes, since the latter has centuries of oppressive history behind it. History that has since become embedded in modern society via insidious forms of structural racism. Racism which, if the past few days is any indication, is about to get a lot worse.

And I didn't see edited version of your post, which included my quote, until after I already posted my response.

It grated me the wrong way when you brought up stereotyping, when you used the same tactic as some sort of excuse to reprimand people (including me) concerned about the things Trump's most violent supporters are doing.



Of course it does. :/ You had my sympathy as soon as you mentioned you voted for Clinton. Now we're all going to suffer together.