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» Kitsunebaby on June 8th, 2010, 8:19pm
» Chibiheaven on June 8th, 2010, 8:28pm
I personally don't feel any impact with the removal of links. Since I go to the sites myself for the links.
It is totally and completely understandable as to why such an action is necessary.
» m64 on June 8th, 2010, 8:55pm
p.s. check admin panel i'll go post something there for you to read.
» Elcrane on June 8th, 2010, 8:55pm
» Nashnir on June 8th, 2010, 8:58pm
Anyway as long this site remains afloat, everything is fine for me at least
» Fareki on June 9th, 2010, 12:05am
» derpMonster on June 9th, 2010, 4:47am
It's because of scanlators. It has been around since the 70s helping the industry grow. Take that away and criminalize your audience - Lose audience and fanbase. Remember that anime company that sued bittorrenters?
yeah.
» mystic2101 on June 13th, 2010, 4:59pm
But it will probably be just like music...and they'll make a site like itunes for manga
» vietangelix on June 8th, 2010, 9:09pm
If it's for the site, it's ok.
» Pacific.Mint on June 8th, 2010, 9:34pm
BUT recently, don't you think there has been too many incidents (kind of) like this? At first it was the google incident and now publishers threaten to file a lawsuit to scanlators!!
I wonder if our online manga community will last long...
» calstine on June 8th, 2010, 11:06pm
» derpMonster on June 9th, 2010, 4:23am
The American industry needs to check Alexa ratings of one manga and manga fox. majority of traffic comes from overseas where we can't afford to pay $20 in shipping for a $10 manga volume that will take 1 year delay to get published and 2 months in ship to get to our hands or get lost en route.
FML.
» monkeyvoodoo on June 9th, 2010, 10:46am
» anime_lover122488 on June 8th, 2010, 9:35pm
» krish19oo on June 8th, 2010, 9:36pm
» blakraven66 on June 8th, 2010, 9:39pm
Links to the scanlator site/forum through their group page are still intact.
» Hostile on June 8th, 2010, 10:01pm
» z4rd on June 8th, 2010, 11:01pm
» shymi on June 8th, 2010, 11:08pm
» Chaoswind on June 8th, 2010, 11:29pm
» jameh on June 8th, 2010, 11:34pm
» Geese1 on June 9th, 2010, 12:15am
» lambchopsil on June 9th, 2010, 12:24am
» eccentrrick on June 9th, 2010, 12:38am
I don't use the DL links anyways, so this isn't a problem for me. I use MU for the lists, the information, and the community. And even though the DL links are removed, you can easily google for them.
Either way, as long as MU is stays afloat, I'm happy.
» Mega2155 on June 9th, 2010, 12:49am
» VawX on June 9th, 2010, 4:17am
you don't make a mistake, but we don't always know the mind of some people...
some of them see this community as something "threatening"...
it's a bit disappointing but for the sake of the site i guess it's a wise decision mmm...
» bakaliner on June 9th, 2010, 4:36am
I think the one that would be targeted the first are the large sites and sites that produce the most money. They could try to attack scanlation sites first, but you know how this community works. If 1 was down 2 or 3 others will replace them in short time. And their struggle would be in vain.
As long as manga still attract readers, as long as they still make money, then these circle of lawsuit and scanlation will not end. The only way to stop manga scanlation is to stop publishing the manga altogether. lol.
The only thing the publishers lawyers would do first is to sue sites that gain the most profit from all these manga scanlation issue. oh btw, i think the first one to go down is onemanga( ranked 935 in google top 100 list).
» reid1 on June 9th, 2010, 4:43am
» reid1 on June 9th, 2010, 4:42am
And I understand mangaupdates position. I think what you chose it's the right thing to do.
» tactics on June 9th, 2010, 6:20am
I do not like where this is heading though. Hopefully it's all just hot air and will cool down in a couple of months...hopefully.
» kizku on June 9th, 2010, 7:49am
same with the music industry. those publishing labels getting all the money, not going with the time and even when they do like years after, they do it with shit quality, shit copy protection and shit file formats so you can't play them the way you like it and all that for close to the same price as a regular cd? go fck yourself d*cks
now concerning the news. i really don't like the fact that anonymous scanlations aren't listed anymore. no release links? i couldn't care less. i get my dope through irc, forums, dedicated download pages as long as i know there's something new
yes i'm a cheap cussing turd with superfical knowledge that wants everything for free
» anime_lover122488 on June 9th, 2010, 7:57am
» kizku on June 9th, 2010, 8:11am
» Carrie on June 10th, 2010, 9:40am
I get what you mean but seriously I like having the actual book better than having only scans on the computer. Just my opinion. No offense. ^^
» kizku on June 10th, 2010, 11:24am
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but you're right. bad german translations are usually around 6.50€. they're still shit. there're things, that sound good in german. vocals, poems and comics don't. they.are.shit.period
and collecting books prob feels better than some file archives on your computer, but seriously, books are no competition for scanlations. average scan is about as big as a din a4 paper or even bigger on my 19" tft. smalls ass pictures in din a5 books can't compare. the paper is usually yellowish or something while good scans have perfectly white backgrounds
» Lightmare on June 9th, 2010, 9:31am
The hosting site's can be the libraries
I've only used those links to read the latest releases of Mangastream or to make contact with other groups to ask them something, so it wont affect me much
» Conquestor on June 9th, 2010, 11:49am
» Lord Jure on June 9th, 2010, 2:53pm
Oh well, I can live without DL links.
» true_grave_unit on June 9th, 2010, 7:54pm
» Truzero on June 9th, 2010, 6:52pm
» hika-kun on June 9th, 2010, 8:19pm
They attract more fans, true. But they also attract people who won't put more brains or extra effort to come and interact with the scanlators. Also, those sites 'created' some new groups who aimed for net fame instead of introducing new titles.
I see scanlating as a way to introducing unknown titles to public, especially the unwritten conduct that one will dropping the project once the title is licensed in the US. But what happened now is pretty much straying from that idea, with the speed scans and net fame scans. People wanted to have mangas in a free and easy way. Thus they prefer mangahosters and/or online reading sites where they can get their manga fix within one click. I know it's easier to bookmark/rss feed a site instead of bookmark/rss feed numerous groups (in case you're reading several titles from different groups).
Anyway, I see mangaupdates as the information center, so those publishers shouldn't be able to do much. If anything comes to worst. Try checking irc 101
» Truzero on June 9th, 2010, 11:56pm
» Achiyugo on June 11th, 2010, 8:28am
» torrentchan on June 13th, 2010, 9:00pm
» lilly.mamoru on June 9th, 2010, 10:03pm
But as we all know, the rest of the manga published in Japan will never be licensed, nor can they be found in Kinokuniya locally (if there's one in your country). I'm not going to learn how to read Japanese and spend a fortune to buy those manga. Am I not contributing anything to the anime/manga industry? I think so. After all, I'm a bad, ungrateful fan. (/sarcastic)
This is like a witch hunt. I hope that MU will not be affected.
» Name-Undecided on June 10th, 2010, 12:57am
» Onizuka on June 10th, 2010, 4:08am
» Jooles on June 10th, 2010, 3:06pm
Since the dawn of Internet, which truly made culture global (and immortal), it's WRONG to deny anyone another country's culture [in 4D]. "We are the world..."
4D, as in time, i.e. I sure as hell wasn't gonna wait for my country to send the final season of Lost. (They still haven't begun.)
Internet also made spoilers global.
It's WRONG to call it stealing if "they" could, but have stopped or won't provide you with a legal way to obtain Item-X, especially since it's a "clone".
A) It's a duplicate - the quantity of Item-X does not decrease for said company.
B) Since no monetary exchange can be made, it's 100% impossible for them to lose any money because of it.
Shunning the Internet instead of embracing it? If they can't adapt to the times, they will perish, and RIGHTfully so. Survival of the Fittest.
» Odinn on June 12th, 2010, 3:18am
But seriously, most scanlators try to do projects/manga that are not yet translated in their language, groups which translate the popular manga are continuing the project from when it was dropped due to licensing. Yes this is illegal, however, it was the manga community who made the series popular in other languages. The worst part legally speaking is those who thry to make money off these scanlations, eg Tazmo.
"not being able to get something legally does not justify stealing it" that my friend is quite the moronic idea. If lets say you could not get food legally what can you do but "steal" it. But that is a bad comparison and mainly because in most cases nobody is stealing anything scanlating unlicensed manga is perfectly legal as nobody owns the right to publish the series in that language.
"The publishers are taking the action they think is necessary to protect their legitimate intellectual property." Yes so do many publishing companies hollywood included try to take down filesharing of movies and the like. The matter is quite simple: the out price themselves. The concept is simple, what upholds the law? it is not the police although they are the driving force behind the reason, quite simply it is the risk/reward ratio. In most cases the risk far outweighs the reward so most people wouldn't break the law, however, in this case like all internet piracy the risk is minimal and the reward is great often savings of $100s $1000s or even $10,000s compared to a negligible risk of being caught/prosecuted and fines of $10,000s to $100,000s tops.
Actually whether it will work is part of the question. how do you think they will fund the litigation? through their prices driving more people to the internet, and stopping fans who are willing to support their favourite authors from doing so.
Actually they are going about this completely the wrong way; they need a competing medium. Manga is free on the internet, But not for the scanlators who not only use a very large amount of their personal time scanlating but in many cases their own money as well.
Scanlating, contrary to publisher belief, supports the author, while admittedly not as much as each person buying their own book, where do you think the scans come from? the book, straight out of the book, and in most cases ruining the book in the process. There are many series that i read/have read that i would not buy, but my support of the scanlator by visiting their site would contribute to their advertising revenue however little and may even have allowed them to start a new series or buy a new book.
must be said i feel nothing about taking money from the fat wallets of publishing company CEO's and if you dont support the community why are you apart of it?
» yblees on June 10th, 2010, 1:42am
The DL links are not important.
So long as MU remains, it's definitely worth sacrificing the links.
» eevaleena on June 10th, 2010, 5:45am
» Mokas on June 10th, 2010, 8:23am
same thing about manga in Portugal
i read manga a lot but the thing is a volume of manga here costs about 11 euros (That's not certainly cheap ) and the prices stil go up because more and more ppl wanna read manga (want to buy manga they like to help publishers) but as it is right now, it is just beyond ridiculous.
As you said, manga in japan is around 3-4 euros (not even more than that) and so ppl just buy them the normal way (and it would certainly help my poor eyes if i could do that too) but the thing is: to order even just one volume of licenced manga from the US or any other part of the world is WAAAAY expensive and if it were not for sites like mangatraders or mangaupdates i wouldn't even know how good a manga series is (lets face it, most of the series are just cliched junk) and i would never have bothered buying it for real (even though the offer is just about 10 licenced popular series here - sad, i know...) and honestly, 11 euros! What do they do with so much money, where does it go?
If they seriously take down sites like mangafox (not that i ever used it before) or mangatraders (** I LOVE YOU GUYS !!! **) I wouldnt have spent around 100 euros buying licensed stuff (believe it or not only around 7 volumes of manga) to help with the whole thing (way oversized publishers who milk us out of our money like crazy) and honestly i dont even believe that has to do with anything anymore, they just want more.
My point being: i read a lot of manga, pretty much only unlicensed stuff (since i buy the licenced series - whether they are in english or french/spanish (OH, POOR ME!! THE LENGHTS I GO TO READ MANGA... - self pity kicking in) and if they do take legal action against manga related sites then the whole thing will only go downhill:
- manga readers will either leave the whole manga thing behind in hopes of seeing better days or
- the manga scanlators will stop caring about being licenced or not and release their things on closed forums or whatnot.
Either way, a great deal of people will only just stop reading it and stop buying the licensed volumes because there will be no real fans to buy an overpriced 1.4 cm wide A5 sized book; and honestly, no one will care enough to continue this ridiculous situation - as i believe it bears resemblance to other countries around the world. Life is just too expensive in order to do that so they will be just shooting themselves in the foot.
either way, i miss manga traders
» Mokas on June 10th, 2010, 8:33am
forgot to say that i do go to the scanlator teams sites and comment to give out my thanks out to them and to chat a little. Scanlating stuff is hard work and they do deserve our appreciation - The reason everyone of us reads scanned manga is because of their effort after all
still, since i already am familiar with 5 languages i decided to learn jap - but its so damn hard!!
speaking stuff is pretty much ok. the writing stuff is miles away...
» tartufo on June 10th, 2010, 9:40am
Thank you for all your hard work!
» aries_girl on June 10th, 2010, 11:01am
» NightSwan on June 10th, 2010, 11:28am
They were very comfortable (especially with groups who'd gone inactive),
but better be save than sorry.
In my opinion, a big part of the problem is the insistence of groups to work on licensed titles.
Originally, scanlations were meant to give manga fans the ability to read manga they couldn't read otherwise. But this has changed drastically. Now, every other licensed manga seems to be resumed by some group.
I perfectly understand the why American companies decided to take action, even though I think they should be doing a better job with the manga they license.
It's not like I don't want to read some of those licensed series, but at what cost?
Now legal bodies are pointing a magnifying glass on the whole community.
On the other hand, there're the Japanese publishers.
I'm sure they're getting much more money than if there weren't any scanlations.
But what can I say? It's their right...
» Wargumm1i on June 10th, 2010, 2:38pm
» Gradonil_Ral on June 10th, 2010, 3:48pm
Why did you delete links to manwha releases, when the news clearly says "japanese publishers" and manhwa, as you know, isn't japanese at all?
» derpMonster on June 10th, 2010, 6:45pm
» Gradonil_Ral on June 11th, 2010, 3:28pm
» TheLittleE on June 10th, 2010, 10:14pm
Only a small few are actually published outside of special events.
» NullApostle on June 11th, 2010, 8:35am
Rant:
If the publishers want our money, they should work on the quality of their translations, since fanmade ones are, in many cases, better (ditto for anime). Just look at the FAIL of DelRey with the first few Negima volumes.
» sherlo on June 11th, 2010, 9:38am
» swiftstrike on June 11th, 2010, 3:46pm
helps boost popularity, but at the same time, exploited.
» Felo1 on June 11th, 2010, 4:22pm
I just hope mangaupdates gets by untouched, tho, since most of the tittles that i've found to like were found with the help of MU.
In fact i would go as far as saying that if MU were to fall my manga experience as it is now might come to an end entirely, and i would only be a casual reader that follows a couple of tittles like in the past.
» Genten on June 11th, 2010, 7:40pm
» kawasaki on June 12th, 2010, 1:54am
They must support scanlation groups. I would never know and love manga or anime if it weren't scanlation groups in the first place.
It isn’t reasonable for an international reader to prefer their product.
Because;
1. In my country there is not a manga/anime market where I can buy for a reasonable price.
2. So it is really unconvenient for me to buy $10 manga and ship it here for $50 or more. Though, I bought some great manga volumes BUT after I read their SCANLATIONS.
3. The release time of licensed mangas are painfully long. You should wait for months for the next volume.
4. They abrubtly decide to drop the series with a high hand.
I think our internet freedom is being laid sieged gradually by some dark hands of the system. In my country now we are under the blackout of accessing google, youtube and some others. Can you believe it? In this time and era!?
» Fareki on June 12th, 2010, 7:22am
Any thoughts, anyone?
» Sugarblossoms on June 14th, 2010, 8:47pm
What I'm curious about is why the coalition doesn't seem concern with chinese sites that function similarly as manga aggregators. They might be of chinese scans of manga from Japan but they're still licensed property and they have an even more notorious ads in those sites. Don't you wonder what the coalition's stand on this is?
» Enternalfir3 on June 12th, 2010, 12:26pm
» ChiirokoChan on June 13th, 2010, 5:10pm
http://manga.animea.net/ has removed all their manga...
» flegmatikus on June 16th, 2010, 7:28am
Some people patronize scanlations because of the unprecedented and unmatched quick release and wide distribution.
Also, some scanlators even offer superior translations than official english releases with their TL notes and stay-true-to-the-meaning content. For example, I'm disappointed by the whitewashing of Hiruma's cursing in Eyeshield 21 in the english release. Seems AMERICAN publishers are scared-shitless from parental censorship if they stayed true to the meaning. Also, Japanese is a colorful language, meaning one sentence can be translated differently and scanlators put this in TL notes which is absent in english releases.
This so-called piracy scapegoat is just American publishers being unable to fulfill a consumer need. Scanlators were borne long before paysites emerged. Maybe its time to change the publisher's model. For one thing, they can appoint some superior scanlators to be the official online release and distributor and rack up revenues from the ads then they can just release a colored collectors version on print. Frankly, I buy manga only if I like it until its end. It sucks to be stuck with a manga that started off as good then, over time, became bad with a crappy ending and there are many of them out there.
This witchhunt will not stop with just one manga.
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