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Question: A new anime adaptation comes out for a manga series you've already read. Do you watch it?
Choices:
Watch it as it comes out (weekly, etc) - votes: 4813 (40.7%)
Wait a little before starting to know how good it is - votes: 3581 (30.3%)
Start from the middle once the anime deviates from the source - votes: 209 (1.8%)
Only start when the entire series is over - votes: 1682 (14.2%)
Don't watch it at all - votes: 1540 (13%)
There were 11825 total votes.
The poll ended: March 24th 2012
I've always wondered why you'd bother watching the anime version if you know (or assume) that the manga version is better (assuming that the manga came first). It's the same exact stuff happening... just animated.
Comments (limited to first 100 replies)
» Dionaea on March 24th, 2012, 11:55am
» Seijurou on March 24th, 2012, 12:03pm
I think this is a trolling option.
» bluesonnet on March 24th, 2012, 12:05pm
» spikebaby on March 24th, 2012, 12:10pm
Hmm, that's not how I read it at all. In my mind I thought that hypothetically the poll is asking me if manga volumes that are usually...10 dollars let's say, suddenly cost only 5 dollars would I buy more. No quality change or anything, just price change. I answered I would buy significantly more. Still, I don't think it's really a trolling option, because maybe they'd buy less out of self-control or something? Who knows.
» mattai on March 24th, 2012, 12:33pm
» uzumakiwalid on March 24th, 2012, 12:16pm
» Hanae on March 24th, 2012, 12:29pm
» FormX on March 24th, 2012, 12:38pm
And yeah, the "What I want is not released" thing... that.
» Alexyz0 on March 24th, 2012, 12:53pm
» icarusbride on March 24th, 2012, 12:57pm
I find myself buying MUCH more Japanese manga (since learning Japanese) than I ever did of English manga, because the cost is much more reasonable! Most manga are anywhere from 400-650 yen for a brand new volume, with a few more obscure publishers charging a bit more.
» melon-ramune-freak on March 24th, 2012, 1:11pm
I find myself buying MUCH more Japanese manga (since learning Japanese) than I ever did of English manga, because the ...
This. I second this. Ever since I discovered the loveliness of ordering directly from Japan, Taiwan, China, Korea, etc, I started buying more than usual and stopped buying licensed series. Not only is it cheaper, you support the mangaka more. If you buy the licensed version, the mangaka gets less royalties, or so I'm told. After all, the main reason readers buy their favorite series is because they want to support the mangaka. The only problem is shipping costs, though if you join with some friends and buy large quantities there's little to no shipping costs. I usually order series I like with a ton a friends and family's orders and have them all ship together.
And the quality of manga from Japan is shockingly higher than most, if not all, of the licensed ones. The lines are so crisp and clean and the tones are so vibrant...
» Saons on March 24th, 2012, 1:10pm
» deadphoenix on March 24th, 2012, 1:23pm
Also if I would come to the option "I would buy less" , then I would like to point out that a lower price is not always a lower quality. A good example that I have in mind, is when I bought a couple volumes of Tokyopop, they went bankrupt so I couldn't complete it (unfinished series), until I found a small store in train station neighborhood of the university city. Their it stood the complete collection of the incomplete Tokyopop series, I was rather shocked to find it (released by Chuang-Yi), it was cheaper than the Tokyopop version (20%) and the biggest surprise printed on high quality paper and a full translation (also the suffixes), the volume was smaller but in a much higher resolution.
And finally toward the electronic copies, I wouldn't mind that, but I would never use rental. I strongly disapprove with the way some publisher swindle their customers with a high rent ( around the purchase price) for a ridiculous short time.
» Crenshinibon on March 24th, 2012, 1:23pm
If the question is 'how can we get more customers' obviously dropping the price will attract more. However, it would also be completely unsustainable. Translators, editors, and licenses are all quite expensive, and the sales volume for something that has already passed its prime popularity outside of Asia just would not be able to make up the difference.
This isn't a viable solution to the problem at hand. The real issue is that just about everyone here feels (like most people who pirate) that they are ultimately entitled to the effort of others for free. Because that's the bottom line, and 'free' is a pretty tough price to beat.
» Milleniummaster18 on March 28th, 2012, 4:44pm
Also, this poll may not have any experimental purpose per se, yet it does have both recreational and informative values. So, you can't accurately call it "useless".
» Ejaz on March 24th, 2012, 2:20pm
» bleeb on March 24th, 2012, 2:40pm
Even though reading German langauge is a lot harder for me than English language I still do it. Because I can buy more manga. A lot of German manga titles will cost me about €7 while they'll cost me €12 in English.
And the best part is: I'm actually improving my knowledge of another language. Less "uhms" and "errs" the next time, when I'll go to Germany!
» mizaki2100 on March 24th, 2012, 3:53pm
» tactics on March 24th, 2012, 4:26pm
If they were cheaper, the money that was saved from what I would originally buy would just be used to buy more. I guess. I mean, I'm collecting the manga that I know I would read again at the moment. There are a few that I see that look really interesting and I would consider buying and yeah, if they were cheaper I'd probably buy them. Especially the manga that isn't licensed by Viz or something. The reason why I most of the series I buy are licensed by Viz is because they're one of the cheaper providers. Dark Horse and Yen Press are a lot more expensive I find. It's still expensive overall though. I don't even want to think about all the money I've spent on my collection over the years
I don't expect this to happen anytime soon anyway though. If anything they're going to become even more expensive. They've already been raising the prices of manga. It's a nice thought though, manga being cheaper, but it's a fairy tale life if they half the price. Only chance that's gonna happen is when a company goes tits up and they have to sell their stock, but then it's not worth it because they haven't finished translating the series *loltokyopoplol*
» trunks84 on March 24th, 2012, 4:36pm
» Zandra on March 24th, 2012, 4:46pm
» Jack_T on March 24th, 2012, 5:10pm
Now my favorite series like berserk or gantz are anywhere between 12.99 and 14.99
I tend to not buy much manga outside of the ones I like. Never anything new, it is way too expensive.
» WShin on March 24th, 2012, 5:58pm
Why I value translated manga at less than the market price: the scanlation groups seem to care more about the quality of their work than people paying for it - they are actual fans instead of just translators.
I'd like to see how much profit publishers (like Tokyopop, Viz) make on each translated volume of manga on average. It would help me put things into perspective.
And yes, the fact that publishers can't get out the series I want is something that also deters me from buying (is anyone publishing Oujitachi wa Izonsuru or Tsumi ni Futari)?
» lys on March 25th, 2012, 6:40pm
» icarusbride on March 27th, 2012, 6:19pm
» Turbophoenix on March 24th, 2012, 7:05pm
» loki lee on March 24th, 2012, 9:45pm
When English manga is about $5(AUD) I'll buy all the ones I want.
In Japan, when I'm in Bookoff I seriously just buy all the manga I want. And if it's not there and I really want it, I go buy it from the book store. Even though I can't read all of it, I'll buy it because I've seen/read/heard good things about it before and I want to own it. Main concern is "how do I get this back home", because manga isn't that light, and secondary concern is "do I still have enough money to spend on the rest of my trip".
As a highschool student with no job, I rely on the money I recieve as gifts/spending money, so I don't have that much to spend, but if I did I would buy significantly more manga.
Some of them manga I've bought, I bought because I'd read the scanlations - I guess I just like having a preview of the thing I'm buying before I buy it. I'd really like it if there were more manga cafes in Australia.
IF - big if - I could afford to buy the magazines that publish manga (the Japanese ones), I'd at least have a better idea of what I was buying... only problem is that manga magazines outside of Japan tend to be really expensive because of the shipping. (TT__TT) I buy one every 2 months and it's marked up about 150% from what it cost in Japan, because the shipping price is high and then the retailer has to make a profit.
If it was cheaper, I could buy more.
» KJacket on March 25th, 2012, 1:00am
My first purchase, I remember quickly snatching up $8 volumes of a series I enjoyed when books went on sale, there were 14 volumes lol.
Yea Japanese book prices are way cheaper and better quality but the shipping costs a ton unless you're buying A LOT from a single site. Not to mention exchange rate charge.
» otakuness on March 25th, 2012, 1:51am
» whatnot on March 25th, 2012, 2:51am
even back then in my home country where 1 book manga costs 1,5 $, I didn't buy any.
the reasons being scanlations are simpler, better accessibility and of course, free.
The only downside is that I can't read them while I'm taking a dump.
» Shibiusa on March 25th, 2012, 8:11am
» drunkguy on March 25th, 2012, 8:45am
» CuthienSilmeriel on March 25th, 2012, 9:01am
The other up-side is that the manga is in it's original format. I really really hate it when English translations censor the art or completely erradicate all references to Japanese culture. Some things can not be translated and to try detracts from their meaning. The scanlators address this issue far better by simply adding a explanatory note and leaving everything else in tact.
I would buy more English manga if it was both cheaper and more faithful to the original Japanese. I understand that not all manga is censored, but the desire to completely Anglophy (is that even a word?) a manga is present in pretty much every translation I've come across, which is ridculous because I have yet to meet a single manga lover who didn't know about the honorifics system in Japanese, and other common cultural references persistent in most manga.
» Crenshinibon on March 25th, 2012, 3:29pm
The other up-side is that the mang ...
Think about it from a linguistic perspective. What's important to the translator is the texture of the prose- they want the feel in English to match the feel in Japanese. And by and large, with the official translations (and not scanlations) the consensus is that they do a good job. We both read in Japanese- you know what I'm talking about. Literal translations do not adequately reflect the connotations and tone of the text. Maybe the commercial editors go a little over the top with some of the cultural aspects- changing the food they're eating, for instance- but it makes a degree of logical sense and probably does a better overall job of translating the atmosphere as well as the literal meaning
@Drunkguy: I'm not sure where you're finding censorship, these days. Those boats have long sailed- heck, with Murakami Haruki and Natsuo Kirino as the most popular translated Japanese writers, American audiences expect a certain level of explicit content. There are, however, a fair number of scanlations that artificially inject profanities on a more or less regular basis...
» drunkguy on March 25th, 2012, 7:54pm
http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?t=65197&pa ge=31
Now, I can forgive a little extraneous profanity in scanlations. It isn't as if that is exclusive to scanlations anyway. I can even forgive scrubbing profanity from titles as is the case with those who pander to kids and soccer moms. It is when publishers edits/deletes panels, pages and chapters or alters dialogue to avoid controversial topics like rape, religion and racism that I get on my soapbox and curse the publishers and their mothers.
Nudity, violence and other politically incorrect content will always have publishers running to cover their collective asses. The problem is that at best, this causes delays in releases that are often already many months if not years old in Japan and scanlation circles. At worst, it is ham fisted butchering in a format that can ill afford such nonsense in the face of digital media.
» Crenshinibon on March 25th, 2012, 9:01pm
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This, to me, is making mountains out of molehills. Heck, one of those instances was requested by the artist in question.
While I can understand why you might be upset, some minor cropping that doesn't affect the plot really isn't the end of days for the industry. This pops up whenever translated media is brought to a new market, and often for good reason. Different countries have different marketing standards. The average consumer really doesn't give a damn, and it's not really censorship in the sense of the destruction of free speech- I'd bet good money 90% or more of those authors were in favor if it would increase sales.
Controversial subject matter sells, anyway. Most of the changes are either related to legality (child pornography) or because, exactly as you reference, the manga in question is a shounen title with nudity, and they can't market nudity to kids.
Not all, but most instances. Really not something to react at that level about.
» drunkguy on March 25th, 2012, 10:41pm
I take author compliance though with a grain of salt. If you told them that they could make twice as much money by cutting half the material out, I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of them would be in favor of it. We don't live in Japan anyway. As the thread said, the authors allowed publishers to censor their works for financial purposes, not artistic purposes.
Licensed publishers are stuck in an untenable position. They have to censor to avoid antagonizing parents but censorship is just one more reason why they are losing customers to scanlations. I can empathize with them to an extant but that does not mean I will buy their crap, especially when the scanlators have a better product.
» Crenshinibon on March 26th, 2012, 6:35am
Again, I understand your position, but I don't agree with that last line. The scanlator translations are unequivocally inferior, and occasionally border on gross inaccuracy, which to me suggests a vastly inferior product more often than not.
But then, I can just go read it in Japanese, so for me, it's a non issue.
» drunkguy on March 26th, 2012, 10:02am
What makes them superior to licensed print is the fact that scanlations tend to be far more up to date than licensed titles, entire libraries can be stored on a tablet, laptop, e-reader or even smart phones, and censorship isn't an issue. Physical media is dying. Manga will die with it if it doesn't go digital and learn to compete with scanlations the way anime did with fansubs.
» BlackOrion on March 25th, 2012, 9:51am
'cos it sounds about the same
If it was cheaper i would still have some problems since there is not much market for manga in my country, it would be easier to bought it online tough,
» Seijurou on March 25th, 2012, 9:51am
I am forced to quote someone by saying, 'Don't be smart; just translate.'
Apparently, companies do this Westernization in order to attract 'new blood,' but what they don't realize is that they are repulsing some of the existing fan base. Just look at what happened to Tokyo Pop, who had to close down; Viz should learn from their mistakes.
» Mr. sickVisionz on March 25th, 2012, 1:18pm
» Caityluu on March 25th, 2012, 2:18pm
» Zina on March 26th, 2012, 5:54pm
That's why I buy my favourite mangas, as long as they are released in English and less than 10 volumes long.
Anyways, I picked "I would but significantly more volumes". Basically, I would buy even the longer mangas like Skip Beat, but there is no way that you'll ever find copies of Gantz in my room. XD
» lys on March 27th, 2012, 8:15am
Also, Viz just released a collection of v1-3 for $15 (which, hey, is half the price of 3 individual volumes!). They usually release three collections this way (through v9 of a series), so it's a good way to start your collection!
(still, Skip Beat! and Kaze Hikaru are rather exceptional in my collection—most of my series are on the shorter side. I don't have energy to keep up with never-ending shounen manga)
» Zina on March 28th, 2012, 11:25pm
» lys on March 30th, 2012, 11:30am
» Brda on March 26th, 2012, 8:56pm
But back to the poll question, if manga were cheaper, I'd probably go back to experimenting again. I used to buy unknown stuff now and than, sometimes with a terrible result, so now I try to get a reliable feedback before buying.
However, if the manga is cheaper I could treat some of them as I buy magazines for example - just for quick reading before recycling, if I don't like or want them anymore.
And as some already mentioned, not only the price, but the fact that many titles are not available at all is quite a problem.
» Badkarma on March 26th, 2012, 10:12pm
I have three bookshelves full of manga, and even then I have to stack some on top/over crowd the shelf... whatever. Point is, if I had a physical copy of everything I've read, I'd need a storage unit or a second house.
I could sell the junk I've already read to free some space, but then I'd hate it if I couldn't reread a manga when I'm discussing something, so that's out.
I mean, look, I ain't no cheapskate; I'll always buy if it's an option. I genuinely love manga and wish to contribute. I just wish for companies to see my problem, or rather, the world's problem: the convenience of digital, space-less files vs. books - or the combination of both. Hey, don't get me wrong. I like my books, but I seriously can't afford the space to grab everything I might want to read.
Viz seems to get it... somewhat. I have their app on my phone and buy junk from them if I have to, but if other companies refuse to conform, obviously I'm gonna grab the scanlation.
Conform or die, English manga companies.
» orpheus17 on March 28th, 2012, 9:07pm
The price of Blood Alone doesn't bother me. It might be $10...not much honestly. I guess if I was buying a lot of manga at one time, I would like cheaper prices, but if it's just one, it's fine with me.
» AliceinAmestris on March 28th, 2012, 10:29pm
» mu2020 on March 29th, 2012, 1:06am
yet compare to that time, the amount of mangas that i buy nowadays are higher..
i don't think price tag would effect my decision to buy mangas much (if not at all)
ps: if u're lucky you might find a big set manga with a huge discount (50%) in the book store here (usually old titles).. that's how i complete my aria-aqua set.
» forror on March 30th, 2012, 1:25pm
I visited Waterstones a few months ago and happened upon an entire stand of Berserk volumes selling for £2 (approx. $3/4).
» lambchopsil on March 31st, 2012, 12:48pm
Question: If paper manga were 40-50% cheaper, would you be more likely to buy it?
Choices:
I would buy all my manga - votes: 3079 (21.3%)
I would buy significantly more volumes - votes: 6528 (45.1%)
I would buy a bit more - votes: 2239 (15.5%)
I would not buy more - votes: 341 (2.4%)
I would buy less - votes: 29 (0.2%)
I prefer buying electronic copies - votes: 623 (4.3%)
I would only read scanlations - votes: 1633 (11.3%)
There were 14472 total votes.
The poll ended: March 31st 2012
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