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New Poll - Gender Disguise
This week's poll was the second one suggested by Desert. Do you have any opinions on series where the main character disguises himself/herself as the opposite gender? Just as a side note, one of my favorite authors as a teenager was Tamora Pierce. Several of her book series feature female protagonists who disguises themselves as male to perform tasks in a patriarchal society (i.e., become a knight).
You can submit poll ideas here
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903
Previous Poll Results:
Question: Do you listen to K-pop?
Choices:
Been listening to it for over 5 years! - votes: 572 (11.7%)
Been listening to it for a few years - votes: 600 (12.3%)
Started listening to it this year - votes: 252 (5.2%)
Tried it, but not really my thing... - votes: 1422 (29.2%)
Used to listen, but not anymore - votes: 376 (7.7%)
No, never! - votes: 1191 (24.4%)
What's that? - votes: 172 (3.5%)
Been listening to K-pop for over ten years! I'm with the OG squad! - votes: 288 (5.9%)
There were 4873 total votes.
The poll ended: December 29th 2018
Fun fact: the only Korean song on my iPod nano is Wedding Dress by Taeyang
You can submit poll ideas here
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903
Previous Poll Results:
Question: Do you listen to K-pop?
Choices:
Been listening to it for over 5 years! - votes: 572 (11.7%)
Been listening to it for a few years - votes: 600 (12.3%)
Started listening to it this year - votes: 252 (5.2%)
Tried it, but not really my thing... - votes: 1422 (29.2%)
Used to listen, but not anymore - votes: 376 (7.7%)
No, never! - votes: 1191 (24.4%)
What's that? - votes: 172 (3.5%)
Been listening to K-pop for over ten years! I'm with the OG squad! - votes: 288 (5.9%)
There were 4873 total votes.
The poll ended: December 29th 2018
Fun fact: the only Korean song on my iPod nano is Wedding Dress by Taeyang
Comments (limited to first 100 replies)
» VawX on December 29th, 2018, 12:11am
Doesn't really matter, if the general premise is good then it's a good manga mmm...
» calstine on December 29th, 2018, 1:26am
Wavered between the last two options, but there have been a few series I liked/tolerated which had cross-dressing protagonists, and I think my aversion stems from the gender-bender genre's propensity for harem (sub)text and oh-thank-god-I'm-not-actually-gay BS than an actual dislike for the subject itself. So I went with Not my thing instead of "I hate it."
» residentgrigo on December 29th, 2018, 2:41am
No opinion despite most of these being mediocre to very bad. The morals and implications of such works are less than stellar but Japan´s gender and sexual politics are stuck in the 19th century and nothing can be done for now.
Nicoichi as a good read and a solid examination of the trope, even if logic hoops need to be jumped. Basara or Oniisama e... are worth reading, even if this part of the story and others don´t work. Piano no Mori was already falling apart when that element got mixed in and Tokyo Ghoul:re messed up even worse, with a mediocre 2nd half on top. The air is getting thin already...
Paradise Kiss had a solid transgender main cast member, which is different of course. More of this if possible but then again, sentence 2 still applies.
Kurapika and Johan Liebert cross-dressed in memorable scenes to commit an assassination. That was cool too.
Edit: Forgot Kuragehime. It could have been shorter and more conclusive.
Nicoichi as a good read and a solid examination of the trope, even if logic hoops need to be jumped. Basara or Oniisama e... are worth reading, even if this part of the story and others don´t work. Piano no Mori was already falling apart when that element got mixed in and Tokyo Ghoul:re messed up even worse, with a mediocre 2nd half on top. The air is getting thin already...
Paradise Kiss had a solid transgender main cast member, which is different of course. More of this if possible but then again, sentence 2 still applies.
Kurapika and Johan Liebert cross-dressed in memorable scenes to commit an assassination. That was cool too.
Edit: Forgot Kuragehime. It could have been shorter and more conclusive.
» illya_ on December 29th, 2018, 8:56am
Thumb up. Agree 100%. Nothing to add.
» Trimutius on December 29th, 2018, 4:13am
Just yesterday read Okama Hakusho too... Well i do like gender bender manga overall. I don't care who crossdresses too, even liked some where both male lead and female lead crossdress. One of my favorite mangas of all time is Usotsuki Lily actually. I don't exactly read every series about it, but i am really trying to find gems where people end up dating despite crossdressing (it doesn't even have to be heterosexual as i found Prunus Girl pretty good)
» MinatoAce on December 29th, 2018, 10:13am
No opinion.
Anything goes, as long as it contributes in the making of a great plot.
Anything goes, as long as it contributes in the making of a great plot.
» vivant on December 29th, 2018, 10:15am
No opinion for me..
As long as the story is good, it's acceptable.
As long as the story is good, it's acceptable.
» Sugarshark on December 29th, 2018, 10:57am
I like it when there is a deeper understanding of the sexes (and society's presumed roles for same) because of the swap.
I think also it can be a safe way to explore alternate lifestyles for newbies.
the poll options weren't the best; but I picked 'loved it' because when it work it works!
I think also it can be a safe way to explore alternate lifestyles for newbies.
the poll options weren't the best; but I picked 'loved it' because when it work it works!
» HikaruYami on December 29th, 2018, 12:31pm
I put "not my thing". I don't hate it on a fundamental level, and considered putting "Only when a female disguises as male" because the one example I can think of that I mostly enjoyed was Ouran High School Host Club, but most of the time, I feel it detracts from the series (or is presented such that it fundamentally misrepresents actual transgendered individuals in a harmful way--ouran is a good example of the author being very very clear in not attempting to represent the trans experience, which is good if you don't feel you can do it well or fairly).
» Transdude1996 on January 1st, 2019, 10:25am
Quote from HikaruYami
or is presented such that it fundamentally misrepresents actual transgendered individuals in a harmful way
If I may ask, how? Because the only legitimate "transgeneder" people are the lottery winning "freaks of nature" who are born with a chromosome pairing that isn't the XX/XY standard (And are sterile as a result of it), the mental patients who appropriated the term and are infamously known for acting out in public, and the scientist who started the movement mentioned in the latter point being a pedophile who forced two underage boys to commit incestual sex as a part of an experiment, which was a failure (But, the good doctor insisted that it was a success), and resulted in both the kids committing suicide.
If reading is too hard for you, here's a two-and-a-half minute section summarizing it.
» HikaruYami on January 2nd, 2019, 2:14pm
The "freaks of nature" you're talking about fall under the category of intersex, not trans.
But I guess learning words is harder than being a transphobic fuck?
But I guess learning words is harder than being a transphobic fuck?
» Transdude1996 on January 2nd, 2019, 3:24pm
Quote from HikaruYami
But I guess learning words is harder than being a transphobic fuck?
What's wrong with being afraid about thousands of people's lives being destroyed due to the lies published 47 years ago in a falsified study by a pedophile (In which both the test subjects COMMITTED SUICIDE from mental trauma caused by the experiment), the fact that over half of the people goaded/forced into the narrative have already attempted suicide (Page 27), and how people are touting the celebration of this mental illness as social progress? To top it all off, do you honestly want to tell me that incidents and events, such as this, are normal and should be approved and applauded by society?
WHY THE FUCK SHOULDN'T PEOPLE BE AFRAID?
But, then again, I guess it doesn't really matter to some individuals. Here's to always pushing for society to progress and move forward...by phasing out women altogether, such as what has already happened in track and field, weightlifting, cycling, soccer, sex, and even woman of the year.
» amy_levi on December 29th, 2018, 2:57pm
I hate gender bender, or just normal dressing up as the other gender, whatever it is. So I chose the last option. Nope, please spare me.
» blackkittycat15 on December 29th, 2018, 6:17pm
I love it when it's a silly side story but a series needs more than that trope to make me read it. I'm kind of sad there's no option between love and indifference, because I like it but not enough to say I love it.
» ceruleantear on December 29th, 2018, 6:18pm
I love to read about cross dressing! Nowadays, I prefer men dressed as women, but I still enjoy the opposite as well.
Before I discovered yaoi, I used to seek out women dressed as men. I really enjoyed seeing two guys together even if one was actually a woman.
Before I discovered yaoi, I used to seek out women dressed as men. I really enjoyed seeing two guys together even if one was actually a woman.
» hkanz on December 29th, 2018, 7:58pm
Oh wow I remember Tamora Pierce! A friend lent me one of her books but I never got into them. High school flashback.
Re: gender bender, I don't mind it. It's not something that I either avoid or seek out.
Re: gender bender, I don't mind it. It's not something that I either avoid or seek out.
» Banarok on January 1st, 2019, 5:02am
i like them in general but sometimes (read as all too often) they only go for low hanging fruit & "humour" and it becomes noting but a cringe fest, so like all manga it dependds on the quality.
» a_v on January 2nd, 2019, 11:12pm
None of the options really seem close to my preference... "I don't mind them", but I don't "love reading every series about this!" either.
