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Previous Poll Results:
Question: How big of a manga fan are you (in terms of # of series read / reading)?
Choices:
Beginner (<10) - votes: 213 (1.9%)
Casual reader (10-100) - votes: 1809 (15.8%)
Rookie (100-250) - votes: 1831 (16%)
Intermediate amateur (250-500) - votes: 2142 (18.7%)
Amateur (500-750) - votes: 1345 (11.7%)
Advanced amateur (750-1k) - votes: 1340 (11.7%)
Intermediate professional (1-1.5k) - votes: 996 (8.7%)
Professional (1.5k-2k) - votes: 560 (4.9%)
Advanced professional (2k-3k) - votes: 298 (2.6%)
Sensei (3k+) - votes: 930 (8.1%)
There were 11464 total votes.
The poll ended: August 22nd 2014
Pretty good bell curve except for the sensei option. 3k is a lot...
Comments (limited to first 100 replies)
» darkraiders on August 22nd, 2014, 10:42pm
» Topomouse on August 23rd, 2014, 12:49am
» Natsuki@ on August 23rd, 2014, 12:54am
» phae2y on August 23rd, 2014, 1:32am
» RoxFlowz on August 23rd, 2014, 2:12am
» Aijin-of-Iwa on August 23rd, 2014, 2:46am
» sudsong on August 24th, 2014, 10:06am
» zarlan on August 24th, 2014, 4:56pm
It is arguably not even in the same language family, apparently. *just looked it up*
» Sylar on August 27th, 2014, 5:10am
» zarlan on August 27th, 2014, 12:49pm
Certainly Catalan and Spanish are both Romance languages, and more specifically Western Romance languages, but...
Catalan is either part of the Occitano-Romance languages, or part of the Ibero-Romance languages.
For more info:
Wikipedia - Catalan language#Classification and relationship with other Romance languages
» Aijin-of-Iwa on August 28th, 2014, 3:28am
I suggest you go and look up the two languages if you're interested in the differences.
» Trimutius on August 23rd, 2014, 7:02am
» zarlan on August 23rd, 2014, 9:00am
This poll will work for most people ...but not us who grew up multi-lingually.
To be fair, it would probably get too messy, if you take us into account (an "multiple" option would have been good though).
I have two "native" languages, though I've learned three languages, as "First Languages" (as opposed to ones you learn as a Second Language).
Kurdish (Indo-Persian. Closely related to Persian) is my mother tongue, Swedish is the language of the country where was born and raised (and where I remain)
...and while I am not a native speaker of English, I learned it as a First Language.
We had a bunch of British TV channels, for some reason, which had plenty of kids shows. I could chat away in English, well before it would count as a Second Language. Heck, I don't know that I couldn't do it, from about as soon as I started to learn how to talk ...just that an appropriate opportunity didn't present itself.
BTW: I get really annoyed by the fact that English kids shows/movies are always dubbed, in non-English speaking countries. People argue "but they can't read" or "but they can't read quickly enough" ...to which I respond "why would they need to read!?". I certainly never had a problem ...and that wasn't because I was unique or special in any way.
» CheshireCaine on August 23rd, 2014, 9:02am
EDIT: @zarlan - Good point, I probably should have been paying more attention. Thanks anyway.
» zarlan on August 23rd, 2014, 9:11am
In what possible way could the language of the country you were born and raised in, which you learned from birth, not count as your native language?
If you look up the meaning of the terms "native" and "native language"...
If anything, it could be argued that English but not Punjabi, counts as your native language.
Your mother tongue, however...
» mysstris on August 23rd, 2014, 6:34pm
Based on the former, it isn't so confusing to answer this kind of question for people with circumstances like CheshireCaine's or those who "grew up multilingually."
For that reason I chose english but honestly....when I look up the definition of "native langauge"...it could very well have been chinese. I don't know.
Admin want to smack the definition of native language somewhere?
» Trimutius on August 23rd, 2014, 8:48pm
I'm not sure if it is normal but currently I even have dreams in both Russian and English.
I would say, environment in which you were brought up is what matters...
» zarlan on August 24th, 2014, 7:33am
I generally dream in a mix of my first languages and...
I've had a dream where I spoke with a person in the dream, exclusively in German (which I've learned as a second language).
I can't say for sure how normal it is, but I'd be very surprised if it were not perfectly normal.
In fact, I'd say it would probably be very abnormal, for someone to never dream in a language that they know well. Why would they not?
As to thinking in one language... I think that, that is exclusive to monolingual people (and I'm including people who only know a few words, and possibly are able to ask directions, in another language, in that)
» zarlan on August 24th, 2014, 7:28am
Based on the former, it isn't so confusing to answer this kind of question for people with circumstances like CheshireCaine's or those who "grew up multilingually."
Just because you, personally, only think in one language, doesn't mean that we all do.
I think in a multilingual mix.
Generally a mixture of my three first languages, with the occasional appearance of my two second languages ...meaning that I'd go from two native tongues, to... well should I just count the main three, or all five? I don't think in my mother tongue, as often as my other first languages. Does that mean that I shouldn't count it, despite having learned it from birth, and never having ceased using it?
Not particularly less confusing, quite frankly.
Quite the opposite.
"the language you consider your homeland/nation" is a bit closer to what a native language is, though it's not quite right.
It wouldn't change a thing for me, either way: I'd still have the same two native languages.
I'm no admin, but...
Native language:
"One of the more widely accepted definitions of a native speaker is someone who was born in a particular country and was raised to speak the language of that country during the critical period of their development"
-Wikipedia
"One's first language, learned in early childhood."
-Wiktionary
"the language of the country that someone is born in or native to"
-Collins English Dictionary
(actually entry for "Native tongue") "the native language of someone; the language of the country that someone is born in or native to"
Collins English Dictionary
Native (as an adjective):
"Belonging to one by birth."
"Born or grown in the region in which it lives or is found; not foreign or imported."
"Arising by birth; having an origin; born."
"Original; constituting the original substance of anything."
"Naturally related; cognate; connected (with)."
-Wiktionary
"Associated with the place or circumstances of a person’s birth"
"(Of a quality) belonging to a person’s character from birth; innate"
-Oxford dictionary
"living in a particular country, area, or city since birth"
"native abilities or qualities are those that you have had since birth"
Macmillan Dictionary
Native (as an adjective):
"Belonging to one by birth."
"Born or grown in the region in which it lives or is found; not foreign or imported."
"Arising by birth; having an origin; born."
"Original; constituting the original substance of anything."
"Naturally related; cognate; connected (with)."
-Wiktionary
"Associated with the place or circumstances of a person’s birth"
"(Of a quality) belonging to a person’s character from birth; innate"
-Oxford dictionary
"living in a particular country, area, or city since birth"
"native abilities or qualities are those that you have had since birth"
Macmillan Dictionary
Some dictionaries give a wider definition, like "language learned in early childhood", which is actually the definition of "first language", but that is merely a lazy/clumsy/ignorant dismissal of what it means for a language to be "native".
A mother tongue, however, is the language(s) of your parents. Of your people(s)/ethnicity/ethnicities.
You can have a person who has, say, Polish as their mother tongue, but who has never learned any Polish, and indeed doesn't know a word of it.
In short:
First language: A language before the age of 6-7, and which is still maintained.
Native language: A language you are born into, and learned from birth (more or less). By nationality and/or residency.
Mother tongue: The language of your parents/blood. No requirement of competence.
» mysstris on August 27th, 2014, 12:50pm
It appears that I should have voted other then based on various posts.
» zarlan on August 27th, 2014, 1:02pm
Well you do if you're not competent (maybe fluent? Might depend on the person) in more than one language, of course, but otherwise you don't, AFAIK.
That is pretty much to be expected.
Unless you first present a clear definition of what is meant by "native language", for the purposes of the poll, you'll get some differing interpretations of the term.
It's not quite perfectly clear, and there are differing opinions. Even with the definitions I've posted, those could be interpreted in significantly different ways. It would, e.g., change which language(s) are my native ones.
I strongly feel that it should be defined one way, but there are not unreasonable arguments that can be made for other interpretations...
Well, the poll does ask "What would you consider to be", so I guess it's kinda appropriate
» Sorex on August 23rd, 2014, 9:21am
Anyway, my native language is Spanish. My parents are from China, but I was born in Panama (Central America). Before, I could speak Chinese too, but now I've forgotten how to speak it.
» fracchan on August 23rd, 2014, 10:46am
» NightSwan on August 23rd, 2014, 11:49am
Hebrew is as close to it as it gets.
» mysstris on August 23rd, 2014, 6:29pm
» hkanz on August 24th, 2014, 3:04pm
» Trimutius on August 27th, 2014, 4:25am
Don't speak slang while in non-english speaking country, use something simple in Europe unless you are In Great Britain.
» hkanz on August 27th, 2014, 12:14pm
Yeah, that 's a given. I don't think I was using slang at the time, I think it was an accent thing. Or speed thing - it's easy to forget how fast a normal talking speed can seem when you're speaking to someone who doesn't know the language well.
» Rafs on August 26th, 2014, 8:57am
» Xeronia on August 26th, 2014, 8:51pm
» zarlan on August 27th, 2014, 12:38pm
Then they are both your native languages, as far as I'm concerned.
There is no option for that, so I'd suggest answering "other", like I did.
» sidzero on August 27th, 2014, 10:12am
» Damnedman on August 27th, 2014, 2:06pm
» dalek on August 28th, 2014, 1:37pm
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