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Question: If you were in a manga, you would live in a
Choices:
Realistic world - votes: 3505 (24.6%)
Fantasy world - votes: 10728 (75.4%)
There were 14233 total votes.
The poll ended: November 5th 2011
No dragons in reality. Enough said.
Comments (limited to first 100 replies)
» Kalamity501 on November 5th, 2011, 2:06am
But if that is not the case, then I guess I will vote.
» Aikanaro on November 5th, 2011, 3:25am
» Pionfou on November 5th, 2011, 3:47am
Of course, without defining moral superiority--if that is actually possible--the whole point is moot. More importantly, there is no specification what the comparison is. Unless taken in the context of racial supremacism--where the comparison would be implied to be everything--the term morally superior by itself is meaningless.
Furthermore, I would guess that the large majority of MU users have next to zero exposure to real Japanese culture (i.e. lived in Japan for an extended period of time). Therefore, the only real conclusion someone could draw from the poll is that most of the MU user base is able to differentiate between fiction and reality. Naturally, most people can make this distinction so the poll results are worthless.
» JustPassingBy on November 5th, 2011, 4:01am
» JustPassingBy on November 5th, 2011, 4:02am
» alexdhamp on November 10th, 2011, 1:14pm
» RilleL on November 5th, 2011, 4:25am
» dosky on November 5th, 2011, 5:05am
Only the Japanese did it later do to the late industrial revolution, and for this it's weighted more.
» StarlightDreams on November 5th, 2011, 2:51pm
» darkraiders on November 5th, 2011, 4:50am
Just the other days i saw on Siliconera how they wanted to start releasing game in public bathroom and the game would calculate how much pee a guys was peeing in millimeter and other shit like that if someone can seriously think they are morally superior after things like that i say they have something wrong with their head.
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/10/sega-brings-gamin g-to-the-bathroom-with-urine-controlled-video-g/
a link to what i'm talking about since my english isn't really good i think this will explain better then me
» fossilblue on November 5th, 2011, 8:00am
Morals US vs. Japan.
Hurricane Katrina: Within hours there was looting, murder, rape and chaos.
Japans Earthquake: No murder, no looting. People were actually lining up (peacefully) for hours just to get a few litres of gas… Even the Yakuza were hading out food and water to the worst areas hit!
» vietangelix on November 5th, 2011, 10:16am
It's not very wise to base your opinion of groups of people on just one or two event. That's how stereotypes happens.
» krytorii on November 5th, 2011, 3:16pm
» ZL11 on November 5th, 2011, 5:13pm
» kawaiiusagichan on November 6th, 2011, 2:35am
» alexdhamp on November 10th, 2011, 1:20pm
» kawaiiusagichan on November 11th, 2011, 1:00am
And I'm Asian, anyway. It's laughable when every country has war criminals in WW2 except America, like they're all Gods or something.
Life is good right now!
» alexdhamp on November 12th, 2011, 12:09am
» kawaiiusagichan on November 12th, 2011, 8:56am
» aries_girl on November 5th, 2011, 8:05am
» dosky on November 5th, 2011, 8:32am
It's like "Yes" equal to a +1, "No" to a 0, and not "Yes" +1, "No" -1
» bakaliner on November 5th, 2011, 10:04am
» Darkmagick on November 5th, 2011, 12:55pm
On a broader note, the entire concept of considering an entire country of people morally superior or inferior to another is total bullcrap. You can't make a judgement call on millions of people like that. Even if you're comparing two countries who you are extremely intimately familiar with, you still can't just decide that everyone in one group is "morally superior" to the everyone in the other. The concept of "moral superiority" in and of itself is highly subjective and mainly used to hurt, not help, other people.
» aries_girl on November 5th, 2011, 1:41pm
» thevampirate on November 5th, 2011, 10:06am
» Epistasthai on November 5th, 2011, 5:18pm
» MewMan on November 5th, 2011, 10:00am
it's more interesting to observe and analyze voters' reactions
than their seemingly obvious choice
» Ayreia on November 5th, 2011, 10:00am
» HumanoidInterface on November 5th, 2011, 5:58pm
Problem?
» mayaya on November 5th, 2011, 7:28pm
» HumanoidInterface on November 10th, 2011, 5:18pm
For science.
» sarah-eats-cupcakes on November 11th, 2011, 8:43am
» HumanoidInterface on November 11th, 2011, 7:13pm
» sarah-eats-cupcakes on November 11th, 2011, 9:06pm
» HumanoidInterface on November 22nd, 2011, 5:29pm
» sarah-eats-cupcakes on November 11th, 2011, 9:10pm
mo·ral·i·ty (m-rl-t, mô-)
n. pl. mo·ral·i·ties
A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct.
so you see, science and morals are not the same.
» Crenshinibon on November 12th, 2011, 12:25am
He was told that he couldn't do something, i.e. it was impossible. So he did it, and therefore it was possible. That, technically, would fall under the umbrella of science.
» magnet_dance on November 5th, 2011, 12:34pm
» im_uni on November 5th, 2011, 1:39pm
» Crenshinibon on November 5th, 2011, 2:52pm
Online polls do not produce valid statistics...
» kawaiiusagichan on November 6th, 2011, 12:33am
There are morally upright people in every society.
» alexdhamp on November 10th, 2011, 1:53pm
» Crenshinibon on November 11th, 2011, 10:39am
This poll has far too wide a margin of error to even be considered a proper statistic. There are too many factors that can potentially impact the results. It's not a matter of the medium, but rather the methodology for gathering the data.
» Pikapu on November 5th, 2011, 2:59pm
I mean... a UNIVERSITY paper...... Just... wtf!?!? Seriously!? =_=
» hollabaloo on November 5th, 2011, 3:56pm
» Epistasthai on November 5th, 2011, 5:04pm
» rindtron on November 5th, 2011, 7:06pm
» cl123 on November 5th, 2011, 7:28pm
» Nirhtuc on November 5th, 2011, 9:33pm
» SOSAnimeBoy on November 5th, 2011, 9:59pm
» BokoLife on November 5th, 2011, 10:34pm
This poll is not meant for any racist essay. Far from it actually.
The "no" answer is meant to mean "equal."
Why I would ask this question here, a couple of people understood pretty spot on. I actually like the discussion as to why, so... keep at it.
This question is part of a larger topic so don't think this question is the entire basis for my essay. Nor am I trying to validate the usage of this poll as any definite proof for anything.
» Crenshinibon on November 6th, 2011, 12:35am
» RoleOfAQS on November 6th, 2011, 4:01am
While there's always things in their culture that are to be respected - their reactions to natural disasters, as pointed out above - their media has a huge impact on how other view the culture. And it's becoming less and less positive as time goes one, in large part thanks to the current trends in manga, anime, and games.
» Darkmagick on November 6th, 2011, 6:08am
Also, there's the fact that it's not like it's just the Japanese who sacrifice plot for fanservice. Creators of fiction everywhere do it. Sad but true. (Especially if we include fanfiction in that.) And I think that's less immoral than...Lazy? It's taking the easy way out, because as we know, sex sells. Well, I guess not being lazy is often considered a moral standard, but whatever.
» StarlightDreams on November 6th, 2011, 7:09am
» Crenshinibon on November 6th, 2011, 9:12am
The issue isn't the content of the question, but the medium utilized to obtain the data.
» RoleOfAQS on November 7th, 2011, 1:03am
If that's not telling, I don't know what is.
Now, it's important to note that the choices are: Morally Superior vs Morally Neutral. That is my problem with the poll - there's nothing there for those who think that they're morally inferior. You know... for things like this: http://kotaku.com/5856949/
We'd get a more valid result then. However, with the current choices, I'm gonna have to point out that even though Japan has the odds stacked in its favor on this site, the results are not favorable for japan.
» BokoLife on November 7th, 2011, 1:09am
» Darkmagick on November 7th, 2011, 2:56pm
» Crenshinibon on November 7th, 2011, 4:06pm
You also have to realize that these polls aren't locked. If memory serves, a person with a dynamic IP could vote in this poll as many times as they wanted. It's not like the polls here have ever had any real security issues, but that also means that the results of the poll are inherently subject to inaccuracy. All we can say is that given the current set of circumstances, with a biased choice-based sample group, we have this result. There's nothing that's telling because all of the information is suspect.
» RoleOfAQS on November 8th, 2011, 9:27am
Aye, while MU is most definitely not a site you can get an unbiased response to, the truth is still that this is a site that'd be more pro-Japan than a proper sample. Yet, the poll still produces a solid result against this "better morals". Even counting that margin of error you pointed out, the poll is solid evidence that even among a group of pro-Japan people, the trend is to say that Japan does not have better morals than other people.
My biggest problem with the poll, though, is that the options are between "Positive" and "Neutral", though. Though the results are quite telling, they're not well defined, as this means that both the "Neutral" and "Negative" opinions are grouped together. This, more than anything else, will skew the results unfavorably. If not for the 4:1 ratio of neutral to positive, you'd not be able to tell anything from the results.
» naridas on November 9th, 2011, 7:57am
before saying this a site for people who generally enjoy Japanese culture and media, shouldn't we assume before that most people who come to this site come from a middle class background since people who can access this site must have internet and free time. probably better to take a poll for household income to be more accurate. Anyhow by assuming this u will know that most people will say no cause you live in a developed country and an understanding of things that Japan have done in the past but also you would know morality is subjective. The only people who would say yes are either biased and believe japan is utopia right now, cause the only morally superior people living in a country would have obtain utopia by now (just my opinion) or misunderstood the poll cause it's so vague ( put some specifications... like modern age). If this poll was taken in an under-developed country or a country that is currently in a warzone or in an area with bad living standards, i believe most of them would say yes. So i find this poll pointless for that very reason. I do know im assuming a lot and my viewpoint isnt exactly valid either but just want to say this just to let people see it from a different viewpoint
» achyif on November 9th, 2011, 7:06pm
I think you should have asked/looked at a more controversial issue, because IMO there are more and better arguements for japan being morally equal to other countries
but..... I'm still extremely concerned for that 19%. I'm PRETTY sure this community doesn't have many trolls so...........
» goldshep on November 13th, 2011, 8:57am
1. MU is not the world.
2. MU is biased.
3. The choices are too vague. The no answer is missing the statistic, "neither morally superior or inferior" or "Inferior" You don't know which is which, because by the "No" they are conflated.
4. The poll *does* seem biased by wording, which pretty much throws out the entire poll as valid statistics. You get that in a 101 class. To do it properly you need to have a real random sample, and also have the order of the answers scrambled randomly every time. You can't have a person answer twice.
The poll is pretty much invalid. If you're doing this for statistics class, this would be a C (Especially for a university)... I would think. 'cause you didn't think about influences when you asked the question.
MU's polling is a horrible place to set up for a paper.
» alidan on November 6th, 2011, 10:46am
lets also go with their continued push to get non censorship, censorship laws in place. lets go this way, i dont read the mangas most heavily effected, but they are non porn stories, that got labled as porn and were dropped from serialization, and stopped from getting tokibons (sp) out.
now than, any given day, there are how many school girls who will scream molestor, ruining the person life, when he never did anything, or worse trying to extort money.
now in america, we have a fer of the full berca wearing muslems, and of any muslem looking people getting on a plane. in japan, its common to see "no foreigner" signs in front of most shops, now, whether they mean it or, are just a way to keep out people who cant speak the language is something i dont know.
and lets make a stop off at prostitution, and the common family in japan.
if you are under 18 you get a pass when whoring yourself, as in noting happens to you, and its common that under age prostitute themselves because of that.
and the common family in japan puts so much pressure on people that suicide is one of the leading causes of death in japan.
morally, they are worse than america,
culturally, they took all the bad parts of america and are trying to see what sticks
but game and manga, there is enough interesting weird crap for me to like them
» Crenshinibon on November 6th, 2011, 1:24pm
For instance, the "no foreigners" signs are mostly something you see at onsen up in Hokkaido where Russian sailors have historically caused a lot of problems. Okinawa presents similar symptoms as a result of various crimes committed by US soldiers over the years (rapes are the highest profile, but it's actually much more extensive, though the entire situation down there is rather parasitic). In fact, US military bases have actually caused an absurd number of problems in Japan over the years, and areas surrounding them tend to have significantly higher crime rates. That's not to say that US soldiers are inherently criminals, but the point is that the areas where the cultural crossover is greatest is also arguably the most morally ambiguous.
Enjokousai isn't necessarily prostitution, and I'm not sure how "common" it is beyond media excitement. Like the whole hikikomori scare from a few years back. It is true that the Japanese political system really doesn't care, though, and that law enforcement isn't about to do anything. Then again, show me a major US city without prostitutes.
I'm not quite sure where you got the idea that the "common family" is a cause of suicide. The rates are higher due to a number of different factors, the cause of which is still up for debate (generally people who make the "high pressure family" argument are going off the work of Benedict's The Chrysanthemum and the Sword which is an entirely fallacious piece of pseudo-anthropology commissioned by the US military and written without fieldwork). It might be interesting, however, to note that countries with significantly lower crime rates (and violent crime rates moreso) also have universally higher suicide rates. The US' crime rate is through the roof compared to Japan's.
There's not a moral inferiority on either side. That's the nature of morality. It's subjective.
» alexdhamp on November 10th, 2011, 3:05pm
» goldshep on November 13th, 2011, 9:07am
Culture may dictate how we judge morality, but it does not make us another species nor make one person better than another because of the color of their skin, sexuality, ethnicity, creed or what have you.
Besides, we all come from Southern Africa. No superiority in either direction. All countries have done horrible and good things because that's human nature. It isn't us v. them.
If you can mate (given the right sex), and your children can have children, you ain't better or worse than them. You are the same species. As the same species, you aren't better or worse as a group than another.
» dwindling on November 6th, 2011, 3:41pm
You should probably either find a study or collect data yourself via randomization, finding people and all that jazz.
» Milleniummaster18 on November 6th, 2011, 5:46pm
» Turbophoenix on November 6th, 2011, 7:03pm
» AndyProk on November 6th, 2011, 8:11pm
» anime_lover122488 on November 7th, 2011, 7:30am
» sarah-eats-cupcakes on November 8th, 2011, 2:22am
see kids...you cant judge a country according to a handful of people.some people here are justifying their votes for "no" by referring to shota,loli and hentai...PUH-LEASE!!!
i believe that there's no such thing as "good" or "bad" everyone has both, same goes for countries.saying that the japanese are superior morally is downright stupid, and saying they're inferior because of their crimes during the world war isnt any better either...if you are forever going to judge the japanese according to history then that means that ALL germans hate jews, ALL americans hate cubans and japanese and ALL albanians hate serbians etc. etc.
most of the replies to this poll make me sad
and i agree with those who said that the result of this poll cannot be used as a reference for the paper.
» sarah-eats-cupcakes on November 8th, 2011, 4:42am
» RoleOfAQS on November 8th, 2011, 9:44am
With stuff like Highschool of the Dead and Queens Blade, as well as a sharp turn towards perversion in gaming (Even Kotaku's had several articles going "Really, japan?"), the opinion is that they most definitely do not have better morals than the rest of us. The problem with the poll is that the only options here are "Positive" and "Neutral", there is no choice for "Negative", so all the neutral and negative votes get grouped together.
Furthermore, before you continue on your silly rant, even the Japanese agree. The japanese right now have voted in a 5:2 ratio that Japanese are not morally superior. This has nothing to do with hating japan, and with you disregarding that result... you kinda come across weeabooish.
» sarah-eats-cupcakes on November 8th, 2011, 10:14am
my post was directed at people who voted no because of porn or political issues
you dont have to tell me what you just told me
have a look through people's posts before acting all witty and smart and giving me a lesson about japanese media
if you look at the above comments written by people who voted for "no", you can classify them into 2 groups: 1-those who understand that no country can possibly be morally superior because people have varying ideals and morals in the first place. 2-those who voted no because they think the japanese are inferior due to porn and/or war crimes
my post was directed at the second group explaining why they are wrong
how does this make me a weeaboo? care to elaborate?
» mattai on November 8th, 2011, 7:25am
» Davion X on November 8th, 2011, 4:16pm
» sarablack10 on November 8th, 2011, 7:48pm
My answer, no. No one's perfect.
» Tutli-Putli on November 11th, 2011, 7:46am
» centzon totochtin on November 9th, 2011, 10:33am
» That2ndGuy on November 9th, 2011, 9:14pm
To say there is a morally superior country would be nearly impossible. "Morally superior" is too vague. There are so many factors that people would argue are more important over others or not necessary at all. What I can say is that every country has done some horrible things in the past, distant and recent. Based on today's Japan, I'd have to give a no to morally superior, but not inferior by far. They just keep to themselves all the time and use a lot of polite words, sure, but the Japanese also brought people manga like lolicon and shotacon and made it legal to purchase, sell and own porn like that. Most of the time, it's some guy who lusts after his little prepubescent sister. Pedophilia and incest, especially together, pretty much does it for me. I'm not trying to say my country is more moral, since we stick our nose in everyone's business and the political system is so split nothing gets accomplished. Japan just seems to have a lot of closet sexual deviants or something lol
» alexdhamp on November 10th, 2011, 3:02pm
What about the positive things? Japan's largely lower crime rate than our own. How many times do we hear about a little girl being kidnapped in Japan, raped, brutally murdered and finding her body disposed somewhere? Now the same question only here in America...
People only seem to consider the worst-of-the-worst in subjects like this(while ignoring their own) and ignoring the full spectrum of behavior.
» Anka on November 12th, 2011, 12:10pm
» Jooles on November 14th, 2011, 5:27pm
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