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Question: How much ecchi does a good series need?
Choices:
Lots and lots! - votes: 1438 (10.4%)
Just enough to make it funny - votes: 5964 (43.2%)
None at all - votes: 6408 (46.4%)
There were 13810 total votes.
The poll ended: April 28th 2012
Yes, I know I forgot the option of "Don't care," but it was too late when I realized my mistake. With most votes going to the "none" option, I'm curious to see if that means ecchi is not necessary to making a good series or if that means no ecchi makes a series good. But that won't be a future poll...
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» giinko on April 28th, 2012, 2:31am
Deutsch (I'm a German), English (2nd language, very fluently), français (enough to nderstand books and newspapers, still learning), español (2nd year, still learning), tiếng Việt (mother tongue, though I don't use it often anymore), にほんご (I'm still struggling with hiragana and kanji)
» geowrian on April 28th, 2012, 2:41am
» giinko on April 28th, 2012, 3:08am
» geowrian on April 28th, 2012, 3:31am
» giinko on April 28th, 2012, 5:28am
If you know the language, nobody ask you to write a spotless flawless essay in it. So you talk with your friend from other countries or your business partner by showing them your newly written novel in their language? So you call a child who's learning to write: "hey, you don't know the language at all?"
Nowadays all business partners contact each other in English through e-mails or other important documents. Do you really need to write fluently all languages to say you know it? Even a German teacher after so many years teaching can sometimes make mistake or is not sure how to write the word. Maybe for other language it's different but that's only an example.
» geowrian on April 28th, 2012, 9:24am
Your comment is a response to the current poll. The current poll asks "How many languages do you know proficiently?". You answered ""Five or more" and mentioned the five. Therefore, the reasonable implication is that you were saying you know Japanese proficiently. However, I seriously doubt that's the case. Reading and writing are critical components of a language. Kana is literally one of the first things you learn, including how to read and write it. Kanji is also important to know how to recognize and write, and there are a couple thousand that are used in everyday situations. Good luck trying to navigate streets, read signs, read the paper, etc., w/o knowing both kana and kanji. Many places don't use the furigana on kanji either, so knowing how to read the Kanji is important.
» kawaiiusagichan on April 28th, 2012, 10:25am
Hey, don't take it too hard, we're all learning.
» giinko on April 28th, 2012, 3:44pm
If you want people not to get annoyed by your comments, learn how to write one that has no such effect. Otherwise, live with it or continue to discuss.
You start with kana first, nobody's saying otherwise. Would you like me to record my lesson as proof that we start with hiragana, which you have to learn by yourself later on, and then kanji? Nobody's saying katakana's not important, but we just do it later on or the students should learn by themselves.
Well, how about just leave it at that, in 2 years I'll be 19 and I am pretty sure I can reach to your level.
» geowrian on April 29th, 2012, 3:31pm
2) I never made any such claim to "not get annoyed by your comments". I am merely responding to your claims and adding my own input, rational, and some opinion. You might find that annoying, but it's not my prerogative to annoy you. However, I never made any personal attacks on you, but you were passive aggressive towards me, as denoted in my previous quote. I noted it wasn't appreciated and moved on. Please do the same.
3) <redacticed> - I'm not looking to start any kind of argument or flame war. I'll just leave it knowing the entire kana (meaning both hiragana and katakana) are critical components to the Japanese language. Usually they are covered early on, and whichever one you learn first is irrelevant. Learning both eventually is crucial, and institutions that put an emphasis on one over the other is doing a disservice (although it's not uncommon anymore).
I don't think there's anywhere else to take this conversation so I'm bowing out. I sincerely wish you good luck in your studies of the language.
» maine12329 on April 28th, 2012, 2:37am
english, jap, chinese, korean, malay +++++
» Hanae on April 28th, 2012, 2:46am
By the way, guys, please notice the word "proficiently". I know the basics of 2 languages beside English (Japanese and German), I could have a simple conversation in them, but it doesn't mean that I'm proficient.
» PrincessVera on April 28th, 2012, 3:05am
That being said, it's no surprise that more than half the site is bilingual or trilingual, assuming that this site has a fairly proportional representation of people from around the world who are decent at English as well as their regional language(s).
Native English tend to be monolingual too, and only a quarter of Canadians have French as their mother tongue, so whoever wrote the first choice is biased. =P
I have a totally different question, though: if you are proficient in Latin, it is highly unlikely that you speak it well, because Latin is not the language of any particular community or culture.Does that mean you can never be proficient in Latin, because you have no good way of testing the full 'range' of proficiency?
» geowrian on April 28th, 2012, 3:45am
As for Latin, there are still many places that use Latin. If you are Orthodox Roman Catholic, or know somebody in the clergy who is, they probably speak it fluently. I think Russian Orthodox has also returned to Latin masses. Either way, I think there's enough places and people still using Latin daily to get a "full range".
» Fuuchuu on April 28th, 2012, 3:10am
» emuska on April 28th, 2012, 3:33am
» yuno19 on April 28th, 2012, 4:13am
» Firawai on April 28th, 2012, 6:10am
So, I'd say that, I know my English and Finnish well, I'm a beginner in Korean and French and I may or may not know "the second official language" - but because I foster negative feelings for it, I won't speak it.
» pyonk on April 28th, 2012, 4:26am
» mu2020 on April 28th, 2012, 4:29am
i got three. my ethnic language, my country national language (yes. they are different), and english.
if i can read, pronounce and listen to a language but still need an already existing translation to understand it, would that count? i can understand few simple lines, some words and so on, but still not enough fr me to have a conversation using the language
if so then i should choose four.
» morphin007 on April 28th, 2012, 4:34am
» takeva on April 28th, 2012, 4:37am
» connerity on April 28th, 2012, 4:46am
Fluent: french
Enough to get the meaning behind texts, but by far not fluent: spanish
Learning: japanese
» Ibleda on April 28th, 2012, 5:08am
I counted Japanese since I can somewhat read kanji, and pretty much hiragana as well. Seeing as Chinese is my mother language, kanji... well actually, I take the kanji, read it in chinese, translate it to english, translate it to japanese. I suppose that's it? XD. And thus I know Japanese~~
» myrt on April 28th, 2012, 5:19am
I think I'm proficient enough in French - To a certain extent, I can read, write and listen. But my pronunciation is horrific. Let's say, I can almost get by on a French site without google translate/other dictionary... And I know my grammar.
I know how to read a lot of kanji (in the Japanese way), but I don't know Japanese well enough (I know almost nothing about the katakana and hiragana...) Therefore, I'm definitely not proficient in Japanese. I can speak some Maori (NZ official language) but I'm not proficient enough either...
Therefore, 'three' gets my vote. :/
» So-chan on April 28th, 2012, 5:25am
I've been speaking English, Filipino and this "native" language that I have from the moment I can talk properly self taught and mastered
» TheGirlWhoDidThat on April 28th, 2012, 5:41am
» cheesecakes on April 28th, 2012, 5:55am
English
Tagalog (my mother tongue)
Italian (studied in high school)
German (studying in university)
Planning to add Japanese to that list through self study! I would've taken it as an elective but I know I'd completely both up speaking ^^;
» chris_kotone on April 28th, 2012, 6:26am
For my daily language, I use Indonesian of course. English is the second language in my life So, sorry if there's some grammar error -_-"
Now, I'm learning Japanese although it's a bit hard
» zaykashakh on April 28th, 2012, 6:46am
» ashi on April 28th, 2012, 7:10am
I'm guessing that most people who answered (a) and (b) are also trying to learn another language, but are honestly not proficient enough yet to answer the following option.
And how cool it is to see that many are self-taught (nice!) and from countries were the chances of practicing another language are next to nothing (double nice!!)
Personally, Spanish (native), English (university) and German (because I like languages). But I'm starting with Japanese, so that in like.. 6 more years? I can help scanlate
» NoOneSpecial75 on April 28th, 2012, 7:14am
» tactics on April 28th, 2012, 7:24am
I basically suck. No matter how hard I try, I can't do it.
So really, English is the only one I really know. I sort of know Greek, but I'm shit at it.
I'm not American either by the way.
» Nyajinsky on April 28th, 2012, 7:29am
» senka on April 28th, 2012, 7:34am
» Alexis_SD on April 28th, 2012, 7:51am
» Dragonfiremule on April 28th, 2012, 7:55am
» yui-kun on April 28th, 2012, 7:59am
I answered two, btw.
» AceBunneh on April 28th, 2012, 8:11am
Any who, I know English and Chinese. I learned Spanish but since I haven't used it in quite some time I don't remember enough so I answered with "English and..." meaning 2...
» luminousbrink on April 28th, 2012, 8:42am
» Rafs on April 28th, 2012, 9:27am
polish, english, russian and lithuanian. I can understand and even speak little bit in ukrainian and belarusian ( But it's very similiar to russian so it's doesn't count). I thinking abuot learning french and german languages but I think it will be little to much.
» elementalblood on April 28th, 2012, 9:31am
» julia36 on April 28th, 2012, 10:03am
But to answer the poll question, I could say I know three languages. However, I only PROFICIENTLY know one, English.
» LilyRemains on April 28th, 2012, 10:15am
Finnish(I'm from Finland..yay!),Swedish,German,English (studied all those in school for 5years or more) and been learning Japanese for 4years now. I still got lot to learn but i'm getting better at that too. and I know a little bit of Estonian and Spanish. I like learning languages..it's fun.
» Ren-tan on April 28th, 2012, 10:26am
In France you are obliged to learn a 2d language (most of the time, either spanish or german) starting from 8th grade. I don't know why the hell the french National Education decided to force us to do this, since French people can barely understand English properly and are known to have the worst level of foreign language in Europe.... xD
» monika on April 28th, 2012, 10:29am
» NightSwan on April 28th, 2012, 10:41am
And that's it.
It seems to me that this thread has somehow turned into a penis measuring contest.
» giinko on April 28th, 2012, 4:33pm
You seem to forget the other half of the population.
» mattai on April 28th, 2012, 4:39pm
The half that doesn't understand metaphors?
» giinko on April 28th, 2012, 4:50pm
Don't you think it's unfair that metaphor has to be something involving that half and not everybody?
» Crenshinibon on April 28th, 2012, 4:54pm
As with the phrase 'like a moth to a candle,' which is clearly unfair to all those not of a lepidopteran persuasion.
(admittedly this is a simile, but we'll let that bit go.)
» giinko on April 28th, 2012, 4:59pm
(admittedly this is a simile, but we'll let that bit go.)
XD, sorry. I'm half-drunk, haven't sleep for 2 days, and still have to stay up to wait for the last part of the report from the group. A bit cracked, never mind what I've been blabbing.
» kaerfehtdeelb on April 28th, 2012, 4:54pm
how would a vagina measuring contest work?
» story645 on April 28th, 2012, 7:04pm
This poll was destined to turn into a contest just by the subject nature. The threads for languages are similar.
» forror on April 28th, 2012, 10:57am
1. English
2. Chinese (Cantonese + Mandarin)
I can get by with a bit of French and my Vietnamese listening skills are perfectly fine, but tell me to read/write/speak the language and I'd be screwed. A distant relative called the other day, but since I don't speak a word of Vietnamese and she doesn't understand English, we were just conversing in "um's" and "ah's." It was rather sad when she finally hung up, seeing as I understood every single thing she said.
» Zina on April 28th, 2012, 12:24pm
While I wouldn't take a job in French, I would take one where French would be used sometimes. So I figure that is proficient enough for me to pick "English and..."
Oh, and I'm Canadian, for those interested.
» Badkarma on April 28th, 2012, 1:25pm
» Milleniummaster18 on April 28th, 2012, 2:04pm
I'm in the process of learning Japanese, yet I can't do anything too fancy with it.
Those comments alongside each option don't really spice up the poll, yet they can irritate some people.
They're on you Lamb, since you chose to include them.
» mirahsan2 on April 28th, 2012, 2:28pm
» redlinks on April 28th, 2012, 2:36pm
» Vis1398 on April 28th, 2012, 3:25pm
» Pikapu on April 28th, 2012, 3:53pm
Albanian, huh... That's neat. *~*
... Agreed.
I am...
Fluent in English, know some Vietnamese, learning Japanese, and know random Spanish (Mis pantalones estan en tu suelo..... among other things).
But I answered "Just English" to be on the safe side..... Lol~
Love,
Pika.
» elliemoran on April 28th, 2012, 3:39pm
And there I was, ready to throw a hissy fit.
English only, though I'm Swiss/Israeli and lived in England until four years ago. Also am the only non-tri-or-more-lingual member of my family.
I figure I'm only capable of one language, as when I learned Hebrew as a kid, I forgot English, and when I re-learned English, I forgot Hebrew.
» ImaginaryWishes on April 28th, 2012, 3:53pm
» icarusbride on April 28th, 2012, 3:58pm
I'm American and have studied 8 languages.
» connerity on April 28th, 2012, 4:00pm
» SilverStorm on April 28th, 2012, 6:39pm
icarus never implied that it's untrue, but rather that the poll is an overgeneralization. (Although, I legitimately would be interested in world statistics on monolingualism and multilingualism...)
» silkfish on April 28th, 2012, 5:34pm
I took Spanish since 6th grade, but I consider myself unable to speak or understand nearly the entire language. So... yeah.
» drunkguy on April 28th, 2012, 6:53pm
» doki-doki-kimochi on April 28th, 2012, 8:16pm
But seriously...I would expect that most Americans would pick choice two...considering that it's a 'melting pot' and so diverse and all, but whatever. I'm guessing most of the population don't even have much of a cultural background anyways, unless you count the people who say they're 1/4 Irish, 1/4 Scottish...
As for me, it's two, which disappoints me greatly...but hey, I guess I can always change that, right?
» Badkarma on April 28th, 2012, 8:57pm
Now I'm confused.
Seems the poll maker lacks the English proficiency to write a coherent, politically correct jab.
Ohhhhhh, we all know he meant U.S. citizens, but let's be ignorant if it helps us sleep at night, yes?
» lambchopsil on April 29th, 2012, 1:48am
Ohhhhhh, we all know he meant U.S. citizens, but let's be ignorant if it helps us sleep at night, yes?
If you only know English, there's a good chance you're from the US. That's all the first choice implies.
» Crenshinibon on April 29th, 2012, 9:23am
Now I'm confused.
Seems the poll maker lacks the English proficiency to write a coherent, politically correct jab.
Ohhhhhh, we all know he meant U.S. citizens, but l ...
Don't forget your [homeland] security blanket!
On topic: I know two (English, Japanese) well enough to actually be certified as 'proficient,' and if I hadn't spent a couple years in Japan, I probably wouldn't even be able to claim two. I'm always working on more, but beyond a third or fourth grade level I quickly become quite useless.
Let's be honest, guys. Studying a language alone does not make one proficient. I know a guy who studied Japanese for a good five years and is still utterly useless in actual conversation. He's not even much of an anomaly. I used to see that all the time with random foreigners. It's just that practical usage often requires a totally different skillset from what you learn in a classroom. You need a combination of education and practical application for proficiency, so please excuse me while I scoff at anyone in this thread that uses 'studied' as a barometer for their abilities. It's a very poor indicator.
On the US: The vast majority does only speak one language. Our school system doesn't support anything else, and an alarming number of voters seem to think that foreign language education is a waste (that same subset tends to fail to comprehend the notion of globalization and the economic interconnections it creates, but that's an overly politicized rant for another time). It's a part of the culture; don't be insulted when the statistics suggest that to be the case. Take pride if you are honestly able to proficiently function entirely in another language, though not if you've only dabbled- again, that doesn't count and you shouldn't pretend it does.
The exception tends to be the second generation of immigrant families. By the third generation, things are often homogenized down to English again.
» forgottenone666 on April 28th, 2012, 9:19pm
Yeah I mean as an American I have some German and Native American blood running through my veins but when you get down to it I'm just your average white-boy. I never had any attachments to my heritage thus I never had a need to learn those languages.
As far as language goes I only know English proficiently.
proficient:
noun:An expert; an adept.
I'm certain 95% of the people in the world can't truthfully claim to be proficient in another language than the one they grew up using.
As far as Americans only knowing English for the most part.
Consider these points:
It is our main language.
Most other countries may have a high population that knows two languages but it is only because they have their main language and they usually learn English as a second language because it is deemed the most important language to know from a business standpoint.
They might also learn another language based on the fact that they are surrounded by many countries that use other languages as their main language(European and Asian countries are surrounded by many diverse countries thus they would probably learn some of each others languages)
Americans don't pursue another language diligently because most of us already know English and that is what most of the world uses from a business standpoint. It would only make sense for us to teach our kids Spanish since we have a high population of Spanish speaking residents or Chinese as from a business standpoint they are a fast growing market and we do a lot of business with the Chinese.
So from an educational standpoint it doesn't make much sense to make our kids learn a different language if there really isn't a need to. We are required to take language courses(I took Spanish) but it isn't something that is important from a career or societal standpoint so most of us don't pursue it diligently. (Meaning I don't really remember too much of the Spanish I learned)
» uzumakiwalid on April 28th, 2012, 8:54pm
» Myuym on April 29th, 2012, 2:37am
And as there was some sort of definition given in the first post, why whine about the correct use of "proficiently"? (though independent user might have been better)
Anyway, Dutch native speaker C2 Everything
English, Second language, C1 (exept for listening and reading C2)
German, Mostly, B2 some B1 (hoping to study in Heidelberg next year to increase this)
French, Mostly A1(A few years of classes in highschool)
Anyway, want to know how good you really are, just look at this table where one can find out how good one is.
-I chose three languages-
» Nirhtuc on April 29th, 2012, 5:34am
Not to mention, all the monolingual asian countries like Japan and China, where many people can sort of read/write English, but are not necessarily proficient, hence being monolingual with a non-English language as L1, which is not accomodated for in the current poll.
I'm an Australian of south Asian ancestry, but English has become my first language, since it's the only langauge I can read, write, and speak proficiently. I can manage my 'native' language at conversation level, but my reading and writing are at the level of a 7 to 8 year old, apparently!
Interesting poll again, this week!
» ebisu on April 29th, 2012, 6:02am
And about the question, it says "proficiently know" not "proficiently speak" or "to be proficient" so if you only know how to write and read that could be an OK language for the poll, and not a lie.
I can get by in Spanish, Catalan (mother tongues) and English. Studying currently French and German and I know a bit of Japanese (the "I studied for a year in the past" level).
My sure bet would be the three option, but I think my French could be added so I choose four
» minna on April 29th, 2012, 6:03am
» Hekat on April 29th, 2012, 9:44am
» n8starr on April 29th, 2012, 10:56am
» E.n.i.g.m.a. on April 29th, 2012, 3:41pm
3 years of French. Can converse with locals with no problem, but I wouldn't say proficient yet. I'm on my way there, though, in a few years!
» Booktan on April 29th, 2012, 4:56pm
I can read and write English fluently, I can read and write Finnish fluently, I can listen and read Swedish but I cannot talk it (Like small children, I understand what they are saying but I have no idea how to reply.)
And to top it all off with the best one.. I can speak Japanese and read it!
Also studying French but I am dumping it as I have no interest in it after trying it out. ^^
» Kurru on April 29th, 2012, 5:48pm
» sweet_basil on April 30th, 2012, 1:02am
But here in the Philippines knowing 4 languages is just normal, because there are many tribes and all of them talk in a different language; not dialect but real different language.
I can't imagine them learning extra languages, really approaching godly statuses..
» randomreader on April 30th, 2012, 2:00am
» CuthienSilmeriel on April 30th, 2012, 3:26am
Maybe understanding should be included in the definition. I can read French and Spanish, but I don't understand either, lol. I failed both at school since I was too busy trying to learn Elvish being the LotR geek that I was/am. I've forgotten all my elvish, as Viggo Mortensen or Orlando Bloom weren't available to practice on.
» Turbophoenix on May 1st, 2012, 7:20am
» xXanjaXx on May 1st, 2012, 7:43am
english, frensh (but i have a bad mark in school ) ^^
» Silent Howl on May 1st, 2012, 7:48am
speak english, and learning rusian...
plan to learn japanese too..but I don't know when i will start...
» ajmanga on May 1st, 2012, 11:21am
But the fact is...most of them weren't originally American. But the children are and sometimes our parents teach us their native languages (sometimes...).
Living where I do, many people know English and Spanish. I'd say at least 50%, but I'd bet it's higher than that.
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