This means please don't put a message "Future project of ____ group" on a series info page or a download message on a release to the effect of "We of ____ group plan to do _____ series" or anything similar to that effect.
This has always been our policy, and we have previously warned offending individuals. Please comply with our wishes.
Offenders will be warned and then punished on second offense
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» fenrisulfr15 on October 13th, 2008, 3:13am
» SilentNN on October 13th, 2008, 3:57am
» shaggievara on October 13th, 2008, 4:36am
» MoJo on October 13th, 2008, 6:15am
#1 The series belongs to the mangaka and the publishers NOT anyone else, any "claiming" is just plain wrong, and against licensing laws.
#2 Why should a person have to wait six months to see a fan made scanlation because someone "claimed" it yet has other projects to tend to first. Especially when this prevents someone else doing the project in the mean time.
» hitonari on October 14th, 2008, 2:44pm
» naikan on October 17th, 2008, 9:07pm
» reddwarfer on October 18th, 2008, 1:49am
» naikan on October 18th, 2008, 2:12pm
» eni on October 13th, 2008, 7:01am
It actually prevents that two groups put effort into a series at the same time unnecessary. When I see that a (reliable) group is planning to do this (and e.g. just waiting on the ordered volumes), than I won't bother with this project from the start. Saves resources such as money and time.
» evaric on October 13th, 2008, 8:56am
» ghostcheese on October 14th, 2008, 2:11pm
» faye on October 13th, 2008, 10:35am
» ghostcheese on October 14th, 2008, 2:14pm
» Manick on October 14th, 2008, 4:22pm
» SinsI on October 17th, 2008, 5:52am
Normal people just want to see something they like translated, to share their joy with others...
» SnoopyCool on October 13th, 2008, 7:26am
Not to say that claiming is wrong... it's something that I personally don't really do, but it's pretty obvious that it would cut down on multiple groups starting the same project at the same time. At least in an ideal world.
» Name-Undecided on October 13th, 2008, 7:59am
» Kaioh on October 13th, 2008, 8:52am
When people start telling others not to do them because they are doing them or will do them, thats when we get annoyed.
A few times recently we've had issues with groups claiming projects as their own. It's an unfair practice to everyone. When multiple groups do a project, speed and quality generally increase, which benefits everyone.
This was mostly pointed out because recently we've noticed some larger groups trying to strong arm smaller groups out of projects.
So, if Group X doesn't want Group Y to do Project Z, maybe Group X should actually do Project Z in a timely manner, that way Group Y won't be bothered to consider Project Z as a potential project. As an example.
» ZL11 on October 13th, 2008, 9:27pm
I don't see a problem with "claiming" since it prevent a duplication in effort. At least, that's how the YAOI groups tend to handle it.
Then again, YAOI groups are contending with a small percentage of fangirls and not the voracious masses that are the JUMP readers. (Honestly, that demographic is frightening in its inability to wait.)
Sometimes it's not even the group's fault, and it may just be IRL issues, technical difficulties, or just lack of reliable staff. Still, I don't think "claiming" means that groups can't inquire about taking over should the original group seem to be floundering.
But - that's just me. It's one thing to just DO it because you want to, and another to be polite and civilized about the situation. (Then again, this is not a polite business, and that crap up on top about licensing is ridiculous, seeing as this is all illegal any way. Stop reading it if you want to stay lily white, but don't fling that around. Sheesh...)
» Kaioh on October 14th, 2008, 11:49am
If you've seen one or two groups do the same series, you'll notice that each are striving for better speed and quality with each release.
Of course, when I originally stated this, this is how I meant it. It seems you took it differently than how I intended.
Regardless, if a group does a project, they have no right to claim it as their own. Anyone else can do it if they see fit to do so, for whatever reason they believe.
» ZL11 on October 14th, 2008, 2:32pm
As for other groups doing non-JUMP scans, it seems to me that it's almost always "whoever gets it out first, wins." Didn't Mangaupdates even have a Poll like that? Wasn't that the outcome?
I'm saying that competition doesn't always equate to better scanlations. The general leech doesn't seem to appreciate the effort for better work, and only a percentage value quality and readability, if I can again reference that MU poll.
As for the claiming, you're right in that it doesn't matter... except there are a million projects out there and why duplicate work? If the purpose of scanlation is to expose as many manga as possible to the world, then duplication of work seems contrary to that. It occurs for two reasons: 1) dissatisfaction. 2) misunderstanding that someone has already put in effort.
Either way, as I said before, the YAOI community frowns heavily on duplication of projects, and I suspect it's mostly the same for shoujo (I know there's a lot of duplication with some projects, esp. CLAMP). It's mostly shounen groups that think that it's okay to duplicate effort, and it then becomes a competition. (I actually have no interest in that. I'd rather drop the project.)
I'm not even saying I'm 100% right. This is just observation on my part and my minimal participation in scanlation group interaction.
So, to some degree, I actually agree with you.
» Kaioh on October 15th, 2008, 7:02am
As a generalization, people are free to do what they please, and scanlate whatever they want to do.
You wanna think less of someone for doing it?
Fine. I'll think less of you for being such a shallow person.
Now we're all settled up, right?
P.S. You didn't mention Jump character specifically. You mentioned Jump, itself. Mention Jump character specifically would be saying something like "Naruo, Bleach" etc etc. You made a specific generalization. There's a large difference. That aside, you also mentioned Yaoi, which, again, takes away from the specifics of your post.
» ZL11 on October 14th, 2008, 3:21pm
» Dr. Love on October 15th, 2008, 3:26am
They're both bad. Shounen Jump readers for their greediness, and Shoujo/Yaoi scanlators for their possesiveness of series.
» ZL11 on October 17th, 2008, 10:04pm
And, although there is claiming in the YAOI comm, there are those who are greedy and attempt to keep projects to themselves, strong arming other, smaller groups, I grant this. I don't actually support that either, but it's when everyone gets impolite and starts b*tching at each other that it all gets nasty.
In either case, communication should be polite and open, otherwise fights break out.
» Dr. Love on October 18th, 2008, 3:48am
Though I find it weird you say differently in another thread.
Not only that, but the general consensus was that Shoujo groups are more possesive.
» ZL11 on October 18th, 2008, 8:43am
The JUMP thing didn't really hit me until KHR, and then it got nasty as hell. I was frankly shocked by it, both the scanlators and the fans. There was little discussion, just mostly complaining and undercutting.
I had posted that before that really set in with KHR. I had never had that issue before that with a shounen title.
I've seen the squabbling over shoujo as well, and frankly none of it ends positively. I understand "claiming" is to help others know what's coming up, and to help other groups think of projects that they'd like to do OTHER than that one, but not as a means of fighting. That's just silly when there are SO many projects out there.
Then again, I can't be bothered to fight most of the time, but that's me.
» naikan on October 17th, 2008, 9:05pm
And really, even in the YAOI community, I know of a group just this month who tried to strong-arm out another group from taking one of their 50+ projects being worked on by their staff of 5. >_> Groups claiming more than what they can possibly release in 1 year is common practice for YAOI groups.
» MoJo on October 16th, 2008, 8:16am
» m64 on October 13th, 2008, 10:29am
if only this would prevent everyone from working on them and move onto better projects ><
» roniz on October 13th, 2008, 2:22pm
» Lu-chan on October 16th, 2008, 12:26pm
Of course anyone can do as they wish but let's not forget that scanlations, and it's especially true for the Jump mangas, should only give us a peek of a series before it's properly published. I mean, isn't it contradictory to expect that we buy the published books and hereby "support the mangaka" if the scans are super HQ with awesome quality?
» ippy on October 16th, 2008, 8:23pm
Second, why should scanlators lower their quality just because people don't have enough of a conscious to buy the real books? You SHOULD buy the original books because you can compare the original Japanese to the English. Or you could buy the English versions to see if the copyright translators translated things the same as the scanlators. Also, you should buy the books to see if the scanlator is translating it or telling you a whole different story. It would be interesting if there was a series with a scanlator that wasn't even translating the story but making up their own, like the april fools' chapters.
» Akukame on October 14th, 2008, 12:03am
But more on subject, I completely agree with leaving the claiming out of this website. If anything it would need its own website. Much like how andrewlb's who subs what wiki acts in the fansub world ( http://fansubwiki.com/Who_Subs_What:_FALL_2008 )
» Kalendel on October 14th, 2008, 11:43am
(Yes, yes, a bunch of people hate the idea, I'm talking on behalf of those who think such a site would be super-useful.)
» SnoopyCool on October 14th, 2008, 9:15pm
» Kalendel on October 15th, 2008, 5:25am
About a month ago I asked a bunch of friends in scanlation (mostly shoujo group owners) and had some staffers spread the word about a future project/group networking site. Everyone who wasn't just flatly against listing future projects was for a site like that. A friend of mine offered to help code, but once we brainstormed all the things it'd be nice to have, we realized it was beyond her knowledge. So... stalled for the moment ^^;
» vvhime on October 15th, 2008, 10:14pm
Kal, for starter, I guess having a simple one will be worth trying.
» naikan on October 17th, 2008, 9:11pm
Will there be a rule on maximum number of claims and/or maximum claim time without a release before it's up for grabs again? Because the idea sounds great, but also has the potential to be abused.
» lame2846 on October 15th, 2008, 4:39pm
» ratspootin on October 16th, 2008, 4:23am
» Kaioh on October 16th, 2008, 5:39am
Our punishment will not be swift or quick. It will be long and drawn out to the point that far in the future when you're looking back at all the horrible things that have happend in your life, you will wonder if they were pure happenstance, or the underhanded workings of the MU Admins.
» SnoopyCool on October 16th, 2008, 6:24am
» MissyMichelle on October 18th, 2008, 10:25pm